In 2010 I bought a mk2 Octy Estate, 1.8TSI

 

its been pretty good over the last 60k miles, engine hasn’t gone pop.....YET

 

but expect its only a matter of time

 

so thinking of getting another one.

 

so a few questions

 

1. Is the 1.5 worth having over the 1.0

2. will either last? Or are theses engines just a worrisome as the e888?

 

in some ways I want to walk away from VAG cars but can’t think of any other options. Only a Mazda 3 and that’s not an estate

 

 cheers

Edited 4 April, 20188 yr by nick1975

Your 1.8 has done well but you are right, it’ll possibly start drinking oil at some point and, once it does, it gets worse quite quickly. 

 

The 1.5 is probably the shout. Arguably the sweet spot in the range performance / economy-wise.  After the 1.8 (158bhp) you may find the 1.0 slightly sluggish, especially if you use your estate to lug stuff about. 

 

Good luck. Either way, the Mk3 is a decent step up in most regards. 

Maybe it's because I've come from an 85hp Roomster, but I certainly don't find the 1.0 sluggish. Had a heavy load of back chippings & gravel in the boot a couple of days ago (really should have dropped the variable boot floor down!) and it still seemed pretty nippy

I got a 1.5 DSG SE hatch a few weeks ago and it's brilliant. After the 1.9 diesel Octavia that I'd been driving for the past 10 years, it's a bit quick, more comfortable and easy to drive. Love it!

 

Bob

I have a Superb Combi 1.4 TSI DSG and a Golf 1.0 TSI. I find the Golf to be just as quick as the Superb in daily use; so I guess the same goes for the Octavia. If you start to load the car up, there will be more "oomph" in the bigger engine though - but most of the time I´m alone in the car anyway. The 1.0 is quite a bit more economical, even when doing motorway speed and the car full of people.

Depends if you carry heavy rather than large loads, if heavy loads over decent distances then go for the 1.5 else the 1.00 migh do you.  As alwasy try and test drive both

As well as the Mk3 I have a Mk2 Octavia 1.2TSi which has slightly less power and torque than the new 1.0TSi.

 

It's economical and with myself and a couple of passengers offers good performance and good economy. With four or five adults and a full boot of luggage it can need to be worked harder on faster motorways and A roads so economy suffers. 

 

If you spend most of your time lightly loaded and on slower speed roads the small TSi's are great. If you do a lot of fully loaded work on high speed roads then I'd consider the 1.5TSi or the Diesel.

 

Lee

On 04/04/2018 at 20:58, nick1975 said:

In 2010 I bought a mk2 Octy Estate, 1.8TSI

 

its been pretty good over the last 60k miles, engine hasn’t gone pop.....YET

 

but expect its only a matter of time

 

so thinking of getting another one.

 

so a few questions

 

1. Is the 1.5 worth having over the 1.0

2. will either last? Or are theses engines just a worrisome as the e888?

 

in some ways I want to walk away from VAG cars but can’t think of any other options. Only a Mazda 3 and that’s not an estate

 

 cheers

I have an Octavia SE 1.0 DSG Estate on order.  Due for build week 23 which I think is about the first week in June.  It will replace our Yeti 1.2 SE L DSG.  We wanted something with just a bit more luggage space.  If the car arrives in time it will take us to Austria at the end of June.

 

John

Thanks, lots of food for thought.

 

anyone got any comments on the longetivity of theses engines, I’d like to keep the car for at least 10 years/100k miles

We are on our 2nd 1.4 TSi. Both have been the current belt drive version (not the earlier troublesome one with the cheese cam chain). They are simply brilliant. Obviously not taken one to 10 years since the engine only came into production in 2013. Yet to read about one with serious issues.

 

We have a Fabia on order for the wife, the 1.0 110PS version. In the Fabia the engine was brilliant. But not sure if one in a much bigger car would be my idea of ideal. Fitting it to the Karoq seems crazy to me.

I'm very much a believer in the 115PS version of the 1.0 as fitted to the Octy. I've yet to feel it be sluggish in any way; I don't see the issue with it being fully loaded, though if you're going to be doing that frequently, then maybe a larger engine is a good idea. I've driven the 100PS ecoboost in the Fiesta and I had a rental Focus with the 125PS version of the same engine. Same asthmatic feel, same wierd gear ratios and minimal difference in power. I've driven both the 1.4TSI (admittedly an ACT version in a Leon) and 2.0TDI over many motorway miles as rentals in Germany, France and Switzerland and I can't honestly say I feel there's much missing in either or that I would benefit for even more power - I didn't get to use it the majority of the time. Neither was happy over 190km/h. Power to weight (or more to the point, torque to weight) is going to be similar for both. The 1.0 is running 200Nm IIRC and the 1.5 250. The 2.0 TDI 150 hits 340. I can feel the difference between the TDI and the 1.0, but I have to say I prefer the free-spinning nature of the 1.0. Letting it go past 5k is really an option, but only in second

 

Back to the 1.0: I'm also only at 30k kms, and it was one of the first Octys with it in available in this country. Ask the Golf boys, they've had it longer. I saw 60+mpg the other day out to Kouvola, I can't complain about that.

Only you can tell if you "need" the extra power. AFAIK the Karoq and Ateca run Cd of around 0.35, the Octavia has 0.3. Frontal area is 2.2 vs 2.46m2, so there's a difference there... ADAC seem to think it's around 10% in real terms (both 1.5TSI DSG). The 1.5 DSG hit 6.3l/100 in their test, which seems reasonable. That's around 45mpg. I average a lot less than that, but I have empty roads and low limits most of the time.

 

When we got the Octy, I was impressed, and I still am. The vast majority of people really don't need much more car than a 1.0 Octavia. It's incredibly competent and cheap to run.

 

 - Bret

7 hours ago, nick1975 said:

Thanks, lots of food for thought.

 

anyone got any comments on the longetivity of theses engines, I’d like to keep the car for at least 10 years/100k miles

The 1.0 has only been out for a year, the 1.5 for a matter of months so nobody can tell you about the longetivity of those engines. The 1.5 will obviously be less stressed than the 1.0 so that'd be the engine to go for.

As @Scot5 said it is really anybody's guess as to longevity, but unless you are going to be towing or regularly 'racing' them neither are  really stressed by normal driving or UK speed limits.

I'm inclined to say the 1.0tsi has better long-term reliability potential because it is so much simpler than the far more complex 1.5tsi. 

I'd opt for yearly servicing and oil changes (mandatory here in Australia) and keep the options requirements as low as possible. Not only does it keep the initial purchase price down but the running costs are reduced. I'm thinking of the special equipment required to align various radars for ACC and emergency braking when something gets accidentally nudged. Similarly for the fancy dancing headlights now available, fine when they work but replacement costs are astronomical.

I know many people will not agree with me but just my alternative opinion.

 

The other (unknown) factor is over-investing in current technology, with the present rate of change it is unlikely that ICE will be acceptable for the term you propose.

 

 

Apart from the obvious inclusion of ACT and extra 100cc, I’m not certain if the 1.5 is essentially the same engine as the outgoing 1.4 which seems to have proved consistently reliable across the VAG range.  In my opinion, unless your car will live in an urban environment for most of its life, this engine is the real ‘sweet spot’. Plenty of power for most occasions including brisk overtaking and hills but easy 40mpg average.  1.0 is very competent but just a little too gutless (for me) in a fairly heavy car out on the open road.

There are 3 factors to consider

 

1) How much weight are you going to carry (bulky but light is irrelevant), if it’s one person and a bike, then 1 litre is adequate.  If it’s a family and loads of heavier stuff then go for 1.5

2) Type of roads, town driving or open road, and amount to hills in your area, obviously flat roads of Norfolk are different to hilly areas

3) Fuel economy, not that much difference in weight of engine so driven identically, wouldn’t be that much between them in real life.  In practice the 2 cylinder mode of 1.5 will almost certainly make difference small.  The smaller engine may need more gear changing.

 

The general feeling of the forum (and there is similar thread in Karoq section) is that the 1 litre is adequate, but is much easier with the DSG box (and the extra gear keeps it more in sweet spot).  The 1.5 is better for the occasions that the extra surge of power is required.  Remember most of the extra power in 1.5 is at top of rev range, and not many people go above 4000 revs in everyday driving, so not likely to notice any difference in normal driving.

 

I haven’t tried a 1 litre in Octavia, but recently test drove a 1.0 tsi DSG Arona and was mighty impressed.  They are very free reving engines and don’t really suit manual gearboxes as you need to change gears very quickly.

 

My suggestion, look at 3 criteria above, decide what suits you, and then seriously consider the DSG (and buy 5 year warranty before registration). The DSG costs more initially, but you get some of that back in fuel savings anyway (and a lot more back in a more relaxing, less stressful drive).

 

 

 

 

Edited 8 April, 20188 yr by SurreyJohn

8 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

Remember most of the extra power in 1.5 is at top of rev range, and not many people go above 4000 revs in everyday driving, so not likely to notice any difference in normal driving.

 

Wrong.

 

At 1500 rpm the 1.5 TSi has about 52 bhp and at 4000 rpm it has about 140 bhp.

 

At 1500 rpm the 1.0 TSi has about 42 bhp and at 4000 rpm it has about 113 bhp.

 

Looks to me like the 1.5 has quite a bit more power lower down as well as the extra 40 bhp above 5000 rpm.

On 4/5/2018 at 09:14, Mr Statto said:

Maybe it's because I've come from an 85hp Roomster, but I certainly don't find the 1.0 sluggish. Had a heavy load of back chippings & gravel in the boot a couple of days ago (really should have dropped the variable boot floor down!) and it still seemed pretty nippy

 

And further to this, had a run down to the coast yesterday & averaged 55mpg both there and back, sat on cruise on the motorway at 70 and found it all very relaxing. On the way back we got stuck behind a Belgian minibus who was only doing 45 in a 60 zone so just put my foot down in 5th & went past really easily - in the Roomster I'd have been dropping down to 4th or even 3rd & then telling the kids to pedal faster while worrying about the oncoming traffic.

 

 

The 1.5lt is based on the EA211 1.4lt....& I have the 140PS version...& have driven the 1lt in a lighter hatch version on my Golf estate....

 

Its all about torque....more & over a wider rev range which is lower & higher than the 1lt ..both camshafts are variable & the crankshaft is forged to cope with the higher power output...(140 & 150PS)...

 

its as fast & has more torque than the old 180bhp MK4 Golf GTI & Audi TT...

Thanks for all the input chaps. Appreciate it, really knowledgeable folk on here.

 

By way of update, I’m rather embarrassed to say I’ve just placed an order for a golf gti....

 

also run an smax so with a few changes at home can manage without the estate and just fancy a change after 8 years of relatively sensible motoring in my octy

 

 

Haha great update! Don't be embarrassed!

 

I did similar - asking about 1.4tsi then went for a 2litre petrol VRS!