On 4/10/2018 at 17:44, WiggosSideburns said:

 

If you're getting an Edition, then don't just add ACC, spend the extra £45 and get the Assistance Pack - that's what adds TJA and it's worth every penny.

 

Very good advice.  Saved me some tears.

On ‎11‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 06:37, WiggosSideburns said:

And a decent pace is one where you get there in plenty of time, without putting yourself or anyone else in jeopardy.

 

Are you referring to the well known 3rd variant of Murphy's Law?

You know the one. Leave 5 mins earlier than you think necessary and you will arrive 15 minutes before schedule, leave 5 minutes after you wanted to and arrive 15 minutes late.

 

On 10/04/2018 at 21:40, WiggosSideburns said:

What is everyone's obsession with overtaking?

Wiggo; Quite agree with you about trying to make journeys relaxed, etc, and not looking to gain a few minutes on journey times. There was an article a few weeks ago - in Autocar, I think - where they carried out an interesting test. Two cars drove across Wales from Chepstow to Holyhead so no motorways and very little dual carriageway. They drove non-stop, observing all limits, etc.. One car was a SmartforTwo, the other was a Porsche 911. The difference in journey times was.......NINE minutes!

However I prefer ample oomph because it makes overtaking safer: you need less space and spend less time on the "wrong" side of the road. It gives more opportunities and makes it easier to get past more than one vehicle. (O/T but I was taught to drive many years ago and there was much emphasis on not incoveniencing other road-users so, if not looking to overtake, I leave plenty of space for those who are. Nowadays folk seem to resent being passed and will even close up on the vehicle in front- muppets!).

Also there are those moments where you want to get away fast, such as pulling out onto busy roads, so as not to slow other drivers. Lastly there are those moments of misjudgement or when something unexpected happens and you just need to boot it as hard as you can.

As for economy, it used to be the case that a bigger engine driven on the torque was often more fuel-efficient than a small one revving hard. That's probably not so true any more with modern turbos although the extra DSG gear you mention suggests it may still occur.

1 hour ago, MikeHig said:

However I prefer ample oomph because it makes overtaking safer

 

My point is that there is ample oomph in the 1.4TSi to overtake safely anyway. Yes, more power is always* better (no, I’m not Clarkson!), but it comes at a price premium and I think some people are just unwilling to believe that the big bear isn’t completely underpowered when it has only 150bhp.

 

 Now... I’m not sure I would like one with the 115bhp engine, that might be a step too far.

Edited 12 April, 20188 yr by WiggosSideburns

Choices choices, that is why there are various engines and drivetrains, well up to now, but from now on some are going, 

the 1.4 TSI / TFSI's,  with or without ACT / COD being part of those.  All that is needed now is the 1.5 TSI's with Real World Testing results.

Less Implausible / Irregular test results, and dodgy Official Results not carried out by independent testing.

(All vehicles should be tested at full revenue weight, then anything less than fully loaded should give better results. Well might do,Just adding  lightness being like better power to weight!)

 

 

A Manufacturer would have to be stupid or ordered by VW HQ with a Euro 5 emissions vehicle and to have sister cars which are more expensive & heavier from VW, SEAT, Audi but the same engines while yours are lighter and quicker even that the 9 3/4" longer estate version  then sand bag it (the 5 door hatchback) to have it heavier for testing and for sale, & in a higher VED band and with poorer handling because the front goes light under acceleration.

eg.

 

 

A pity Mat never asked back when doing this why they handled and rode so differently, why the Hatch weighed 5kg more than the Estate, 

and got Spare Wheels as standard and narrower rubber than the VW & SEAT.

*If he had put all 3 up against a Golf GTI he would have easily seen that VW were at it with their published 0-62 mph times as well.*

 

Edited 12 April, 20188 yr by AwaoffSki

I've tested he 2.0 TSI and it's a very nice engine, just expect fuel consumption between 9-11L/100km (30MPG) when driving between 140 and 160km/h on the highway. In the city traffic and up to about 100km/h it's between 6L and 7L/100km (42 MPG). If you plan to do less highway driving it's the best because the DSG keeps the revs low and shifts up quickly.

 

So if you do alot of highway miles don't expect the fuel consumption to drop under 9L/100km (diesel at about 7L/100km). Under 100km/h they have same consumption with the petrol one feeling better to drive (more brisk), petrol being cheaper and not needing SCR and DPF.

 

It all depends on the speed. If you drive faster on the highway like me (arround 160km/h cruising speed) expect between 10L and 11L/100km when on highway (these are NOT MIXED! numbers)

120 km/h in the UK exceeds the Max National speed limits, and the fines in England / Wales go higher with higher speeds, and that will be in the 140-160 km/h range, then above bans are possible.

Scotland (& maybe Northern Ireland)  has different penalties / fines but much the same NSL's vehicle class dependent. 

Edited 13 April, 20188 yr by Offski

35 minutes ago, McGyles said:

If you drive faster on the highway like me (arround 160km/h cruising speed) expect between 10L and 11L/100km when on highway

 

Slovenia must not be like Ireland.... drive around for long at 160kph/100mph here and you will soo achieve the amazing consumption of zero L/100km. You'll get  that consumption for at least 6 months too....   

On 09/04/2018 at 16:59, Si1978 said:

. . . . .  and what they think of the more powerful petrol version? I’ve read plenty of stuff on the 1.4 but the 2.0 doesn’t seem to get much coverage in the media or on other forums.

 

 

I’ve had a shot or two in an Audi Q5.

 

Lovely quiet engine, like most petrol engines these days.

 

Nice and poky.

 

But guzzles fuel like nobody’s business.

 I think there’s a difference of opinion here about what is “Adequate” or “Satisfactory” when it comes to performance.

 

Some of us like a bit more grunt than others when it comes to getting a move on.

 

As for “Recommended Extras”?  You’re on yer own pal.

5 minutes ago, BoxerBoy said:

 I think there’s a difference of opinion here about what is “Adequate” or “Satisfactory” when it comes to performance.

 

Some of us like a bit more grunt than others when it comes to getting a move on.

 

On 09/04/2018 at 22:06, raygun57 said:

 

Hopefully pick up mine on Saturday.  Will let you know.

Did you manage to pick your up today then Raygun?

5 minutes ago, Si1978 said:

Did you manage to pick your up today then Raygun?

Must be enjoying it that much he’s taken the long way home. Hopefully I’ll be doing the same on Thursday when I’m supposed to collect mine.

20 minutes ago, Si1978 said:

Did you manage to pick your up today then Raygun?

 

Yep!  All went well at the dealer. Car is a dream to drive.  Haven’t pushed it too hard to stretch it out. I put my foot down at one point and it did roar in response but I backed right off.  I had visions of pistons being ejected from the bonnet. 

 

The car is effortless.  The steering, the response.

 

The adaptive cruise control is amazing.  Just amazing.  Never had it on any other car and yeah, impressive. 

Hello.

 

I'm considering buying a 2.0 tsi, and had a testdrive yesterday. Nice ride, even though there was more wind noise (from the mirrors?) than i am used to in my mondeo. The engine has a more even/consistant acceleration and sound than in my mondeo (1.5 160hp). So even though the kodiaq accelerates faster, it does not really feel like it. But i guess it is a good think. A more smooth ride! = cruise mode.

 

 

I'm living in a very uninteresting country seen with the eyes of skoda, so here in Denmark we only got one option for the kodiaq. "Skoda kodiaq Style". I can choose Style Plus package which has Area view, electrical adjustable seats with memory, park assist, electrial tailgate, electric "foldable" mirrors and Blind spot detect. 

 

The car is born with ACC.

 

Does anyone know if roadassist is included in the "Style plus package" as well? And traffic jam assist? When I choose the package in the configurator, it removes the option to pick the roadassist.

 

Is ACC + roadassist = traffic jam assist?

 

And is the back-kamera automatically included in the park assist? Because that option is also removed when the style plus package is picked....?

 

I am not sure that this style plus package exists in other countries, but I give it a shot!

Edited 15 April, 20188 yr by mlohnork
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2 hours ago, mlohnork said:

Does anyone know if roadassist is included in the "Style plus package" as well? And traffic jam assist?

 

3 hours ago, mlohnork said:

Is ACC + roadassist = traffic jam assist?

 

My Danish skills are non-existent, but having had a quick look I would guess that Blind Spot + Lane Assist (is this what you are calling 'roadassist'?) are included, but you would need to check with your dealer. However, Lane Assist + ACC does not always equal Traffic Jam Assist - in the UK, on an 'Edition' model, it comes with Lane Assist, and ACC is an option - but there is also another option called 'Assistance Package' that you need to select instead which includes ACC and TJA.

 

3 hours ago, mlohnork said:

And is the back-kamera automatically included in the park assist? Because that option is also removed when the style plus package is picked....?

 

No, the rear view camera is part of Area View rather than Park Assist in that package. Area View is front + rear + side cameras. Park Assist is where the car will steer itself into a parking space while you control the accelerator / brake (and change between forward and reverse gears as needed).

 

Yup. I meant laneassist instead of roadassist. 

 

But what does traffic Jam assist do that the acc does not?

Looks like traffic Jam assist uses blind spot detect, parking assist and acc. So it might be added automatically when you have these 3....

 

Sorry for contaminating this thread. I'll make new if i got other technical questions. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, mlohnork said:

Looks like traffic Jam assist uses blind spot detect, parking assist and acc. So it might be added automatically when you have these 3....

 

No, Traffic Jam Assist is just an extension of ACC and Lane Assist - it doesn't use/need Blind Spot Detection or Parking Assist.

 

Basically, ACC + LA on their own have minimum speeds at which they are active... about 40kph I think. If you have TJA, then they have no minimum speed - so it can slow down and stop the car, then start it again when the traffic in front moves off, all while keeping the car in lane. TJA does require a DSG gearbox, however - it is not available with a manual for obvious reasons.

1 minute ago, WiggosSideburns said:

 

No, Traffic Jam Assist is just an extension of ACC and Lane Assist - it doesn't use/need Blind Spot Detection or Parking Assist.

 

Basically, ACC + LA on their own have minimum speeds at which they are active... about 40kph I think. If you have TJA, then they have no minimum speed - so it can slow down and stop the car, then start it again when the traffic in front moves off, all while keeping the car in lane. TJA does require a DSG gearbox, however - it is not available with a manual for obvious reasons.

I have read that acc works between 5 and 160 kph when you have dsg gearbox. 

From the manual (I think it might slow down to 5kph with a DSG gearbox, but you can't set a speed less than 30kph / 20mph even with TJA - but with TJA it will stop the car completely):

 

The ACC makes it possible to set a speed of 30-160 or 30-210 km/h (depending on equipment fitted) as well as the distance to preceding vehicles.

 

and for Lane Assist:

 

The vehicle speed is higher than about 65 km/h (not applicable to vehicles with the traffic jam assistant » page 254).

 

Traffic Jam Assist:

 

The traffic jam assistant (referred to as system) helps to keep the vehicle with- in the lane at speeds below 65 km/h while keeping the distance to the vehicle ahead.

The system is only available for vehicles with Automatic transmission.

 

The traffic jam assistant is an extension of the systems Lane Assist » page 252and ACC » page 242 and works by using the functions of these two systems.

 

47 minutes ago, WiggosSideburns said:

From the manual (I think it might slow down to 5kph with a DSG gearbox, but you can't set a speed less than 30kph / 20mph even with TJA - but with TJA it will stop the car completely):

 

The ACC makes it possible to set a speed of 30-160 or 30-210 km/h (depending on equipment fitted) as well as the distance to preceding vehicles.

 

and for Lane Assist:

 

The vehicle speed is higher than about 65 km/h (not applicable to vehicles with the traffic jam assistant » page 254).

 

Traffic Jam Assist:

 

The traffic jam assistant (referred to as system) helps to keep the vehicle with- in the lane at speeds below 65 km/h while keeping the distance to the vehicle ahead.

The system is only available for vehicles with Automatic transmission.

 

The traffic jam assistant is an extension of the systems Lane Assist » page 252and ACC » page 242 and works by using the functions of these two systems.

 

According this thread acc with dsg can stop the car completely. So.... Traffic Jam only enables Lane assist at lower speeds? 

 

If the car got emergency brake/ front assistent and acc, i assume it is not worth going for traffic Jam assist? 

 

I Will meet with a skoda sales manager tomorrow, maybe he can explain everything. On paper traffic Jam sounds good, but does it really do much? 

Edited 15 April, 20188 yr by mlohnork
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As I understand it the car with ACC will stop if necessary, but unless you have TJA it wont start moving again on its own. The driver would have to use the accelerator. Thats how it was explained to me.

52 minutes ago, gojoholo said:

As I understand it the car with ACC will stop if necessary, but unless you have TJA it wont start moving again on its own. The driver would have to use the accelerator. Thats how it was explained to me.

 

According to the threads i have read, the car works exactly the same with and without TJA, only difference is  that laneassist is active at speeds below (~ 65 kmph?).

With and without TJA, You would have to activate the "ACC" if You have stopped for more than 3 seconds....

 

(There is another skoda uk forum where they discuss TJA (Kodiaqs  were sold with it as standard, but suddenly TJA was removed and added as extra package).

 

TJA is a quite expensive solution for me, around 1160£ extra if i want that package. I have ACC and laneassist included. So if the only difference is the lower speed laneassist, then it is a clear no thanks for me. 

If anyone got a car with TJA, please share Your experience?

Edited 16 April, 20188 yr by mlohnork

3 minutes ago, mlohnork said:

 

According to the threads i have read, the car works exactly the same with and without TJA, only difference that laneassist is active at speeds below (~ 65 kmph?).

With and without TJA, You would have to activate the "ACC" if You have stopped for more than 3 seconds....

 

TJA is a quite expensive solution for me, around 1500£ if i want that package. I have ACC and laneassist included. So if the only difference is the lower speed laneassist, then it is a clear no thanks for me. 

If anyone got a car with TJA, please share Your experience?

In the UK the Edition spec car has most of the driver aids already so TJA doesn't cost much extra over ACC. ACC is £305, Driver assistance pack (ACC and TJA) is £350.