Another brand new rental which I disliked.

 

For a start it's ugly outside and in. In fact the committee that designed the inside clearly weren't talking to each other as no part of it matches the rest. They also used unbelievably cheap materials in a brand still perceived in the UK as "quality" . The VTEC 1.2 is not a patch on any TSI 1.2, it's gutless on main roads and motorways with very little torque. Equipment levels are poor too lacking cruise alloys or fogs for a start.

 

£14k plus for this is a joke. Unless one is an OAP with more cash than sense I suppose.

 

Edited 3 October, 20187 yr by camelspyyder

Camel, quite agree. And it's also completely no good for anyone over 6ft tall. I'm 6'2" tall with longs legs. I don't look like an alien but I just couldn't get enough rearward drivers seat movement to allow my legs and feet the room then needed to drive the bloody car! Terribly uncomfortable and quite unacceptable from a leading car maker, especially when everyone else makes small cars that will mostly fit anyone of any size in them. Sorry, I was cross when I found this out. The dealer was prepared to do me quite a good deal taking in my Fabia too. I was actually thinking about getting the Jazz with the 1.5 litre engine which just about would have given enough performance until I found all this out. Then after a cramped drive I found the 1.5 engine was just as hopeless as the 1.2 litre. But 5 years servicing for just £599 was availavble which for a Honda is brilliant. 

£14,000 is a joke for the base ones which is why you should not pay the List Price and look at getting them for the £12,500 that you can.

The better spec are obviously also available at below list price.

 

There are many people nothing like near 6 feet tall and are happy to just go buy a Honda and drive away happy.

They are not really cars with the many faults that other manufacturers carry from generation to generation and some like the CVT's.

£599 for 5 years service must attract OAPs like a moth to a flame. Probably only change oil every 2nd year like I believe Kia do on their service deal.

 

 

Budget gave me another Jazz today an SE so more like £16k. Better specced with alloys media upgrade, parking and  lane departure warnings but still fugly, infotainment difficult to operate, gutless VTEC motor. Once again it's a no from me. Don't know what is good about it at all.

Edited 5 October, 20187 yr by camelspyyder

Between the 2 Jazzies I had a month in a i20.

I remembered the Hyundai dealers and the brand's fans on here making a big noise about the improvement the new 1.2 would be. Well how awful was it before? The euro 6 motor is wheezy and asthmatic, possibly less energetic than even the dire VW 1.4/16v in my Ibiza Mk5. It's a shame actually, as the i20 is reasonably styled, spacious and comfortable and drives well. But the 1.2 is awful. 

I've driven so many poor small cars this year, the C3 that I disliked so in January is now looking like one of the better ones.

Or what you actually pay can be more like less than £13,000 for a new SE manual & £14,000 for a CVT.

7 minutes ago, Offski said:

Or what you actually pay can be more like less than £13,000 for a new SE manual & £14,000 for a CVT.

 

It's a 5h1t car. even if discounts are available.

I'd rather use that amount of £5 notes as toilet paper than buy any of the jazz, i20, Mini 7 or Citigo models I've rented lately. Amazed how the C3 and Berlingo are both amongst my best rentals of the year since I'm not a fan of the brand at all.

Edited 5 October, 20187 yr by camelspyyder

Is that the New Berlingo?  I am waiting to get a loan of a Peugeot Rifter Auto.

No the old one.

Drive the jazz again today. The ugliness is stopping it growing on me. It's not a terrible drive though.

I looked at buying the Jazz for the room and the quirkiness. It’s nice to do different. Wife and I were getting set on a purchase until a terrible thing happened...................................I drove it.  Gutless, boring, noisy and totally uninspiring. We both knew, more or less within 2 miles, that it was not for us. It was so bad, we both burst into laughter.

 

Shame, because I really wanted to own one.

^^^ They are perfect for those that never much leave the town or city limits, and if they do they will go through the 30 / 40 speed limit at 50 mph and drive in the NSL at 45 mph or on dual carriageways / motorways at an indicated 56 mph, so about 52 mph.

17 hours ago, Offski said:

Or what you actually pay can be more like less than £13,000 for a new SE manual & £14,000 for a CVT.

 

I've had two top spec Toledos and an Ibiza lately, all brand new and none of which cost over 13k. In fact my most expensive new car ever was £12.7k.

 

And that's the rub. You can shop around and get way more car for the money than the Jazz or i20, and as for the 19k+ that awful Mini Cooper 7 edition started at 

 

 

Edited 6 October, 20187 yr by camelspyyder

4 minutes ago, Offski said:

^^^ They are perfect for those that never much leave the town or city limits, and if they do they will go through the 30 / 40 speed limit at 50 mph and drive in the NSL at 45 mph or on dual carriageways / motorways at an indicated 56 mph, so about 52 mph.

 

A bit anti-OAP that ^^^^

 

But do they have to be registered blind too?

 

The interior is such an ugly hot-potch, it's actually an offensive place to sit.

 

 

Edited 6 October, 20187 yr by camelspyyder

My experience albeit limited of small Japanese brand cars are they seem to be fitted with sewing machine motors. If you have a shaky right foot, it doesn't matter because the pedal only seems to have three positions, stop, go, go ever so slightly faster.

5 minutes ago, camelspyyder said:

 

A bit anti-OAP that ^^^^

 

But do they have to be registered blind too?

 

The interior is such an ugly hot-potch, it's actually an offensive place to sit.

 

 

Cant be worse than those older Micras that had Fischer Price switchgear.

Edited 6 October, 20187 yr by xman

Just now, xman said:

Cant be worse than those older Micras that had Fischer Price switchgear.

 

and no immobiliser.

 

Still, you can pick up a runner of a Micra for about £500 not £13000 and it will get from A to B in a similar fashion.

I never mentioned age in anyway, and what is a OAP, a pensioner?  

Many these days are not getting to pension age.

9 minutes ago, camelspyyder said:

 

and no immobiliser.

 

Still, you can pick up a runner of a Micra for about £500 not £13000 and it will get from A to B in a similar fashion.

 

True. I blame the HonestJohn website and his DT column where Hondas and Toyotas are worshipped.

The biggest Group Buyer in the UK is Motability, and the good low or nil Advance Payments are often with Toyota, Honda, Nissan due to the good residual values and good deals that these manufactures offer to Motability,  as do Ford, Vauxhall, Skoda & VW.

 

Hence lots bought, leased and in Auction then used cars with low mileage & FMDSH at 3 years old.

39 minutes ago, Offski said:

I never mentioned age in anyway, and what is a OAP, a pensioner?  

Many these days are not getting to pension age.

 

OAP?

 

You described so accurately the way old ****s drive in your speed limits post above. Added to which the jazz purchasers main demographic must be old ****s. When I was a commuter and I came up behind a Jazz on a country road I knew exactly which village it was headed for ( the one full of old ****s)  and how late I would be for dinner. 

I'm a pensioner but I don't drive 45 along A roads, or past schools. That sort of driver needs re-educating, retesting or banning IMO.

 

Edited 6 October, 20187 yr by camelspyyder

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Who suggested you did, you brought up age?

Are you an  Old age Pensioner or someone receiving a pension and middle aged?    Many people are retired and not old, and there are old people not retired, 

and not slow or dithering about on the roads.

 

The point is that there are road captains or captainesses that come in all ages & Sunday or all week drivers. 

Also to generalise who drives cars is weird, as many younger people get given a Jazz from 

'Some old foggy, or just their parents, or some buy them as they can be cheap.

& the rear seats lift for taking stuff home from the Garden Centre.

 

Many like 'Simply Clever' features.  The Toyota iQ did similar.

 

 

Edited 6 October, 20187 yr by Offski

Yes it's generalising, but 90% of Jazz I see are badly driven by dopey old farts like my FIL, a man who gets fined for driving too fast and too slow (not at the same time).