Hi

I am hopefully going to try and buy a 2.0 TSI, can anyone confirm that in all normal driving conditions the DSG is smooth and provides good progressive and adequate performance for most conditions.

 

My other questions are:

When loaded heavily is there any change in DSG smoothness? - this is me about 80% of the time.

When you do need to 'boot it' to overtake or join fast traffic is the DSGF still smooth?

 

I just want to make sure I don't end up with a lumpy or jerky gear change.

 

Thanks

 

Check you can live with the low speed maneuver characteristics. i.e. parallel parking on a hill.

1 minute ago, R1100 said:

I just want to make sure I don't end up with a lumpy or jerky gear change.

 

You can make it as lumpy and jerky, or as smooth as you want. You need to learn the characteristics of the gearbox and potentially alter your driving style... but having said that, DSG gear changes are 99.9% of the time silky smooth.

 

3 minutes ago, R1100 said:

am hopefully going to try and buy a 2.0 TSI

 

You might want to check out the other threads on here - if it's a factory order for a MY19 190PS model, then you're not going to get it before March at the earliest.

 

20 minutes ago, xman said:

Check you can live with the low speed maneuver characteristics. i.e. parallel parking on a hill.

 

That sounds interesting, I take it that it can be a bit jerky at very low speed?  Thanks for the advice.

 

Wiggo -  I'll be looking at an 18 plate used [ex demo] Kodiaq in SEL so hopefully I can change into it within a week or so.

 

Thanks for the advice

 

33 minutes ago, xman said:

Check you can live with the low speed maneuver characteristics. i.e. parallel parking on a hill.

Turning the autohold off and using the ehb works fine for me. 

First DSG I’ve had and haven’t experienced any lumpy or jerky gear changes.

Edited 7 November, 20187 yr by Kenny R

2 minutes ago, Kenny R said:

Turning the autohold off and using the ehb works fine for me. 

 

Had an EHB on my Land Rover, my current car has an old fashioned proper handbrake. Looks like I need to get used to an EHB again 

6 minutes ago, R1100 said:

 

Had an EHB on my Land Rover, my current car has an old fashioned proper handbrake. Looks like I need to get used to an EHB again 

Parking on a hill is the only time I’ve ever used the ehb, the rest of the time autohold is on and works brilliantly.

Have a search around, feedback on DSG is heavily weighted towards a positive experience. The only negative experiences I tend to see are as already mentioned, during low speed manoeuvres, especially when gradients are involved.

 

I'm not a fan of DSG (twin clutch), but that's down to my personal experience. The conventional slush box set-up suits me better.

 

The only real advice here is to test drive the car you're looking to buy, heavily load it, and see for yourself.

 

I too was sceptical about an electronic handbrake (mainly around reliability, I tend to keep my cars well beyond the warranty), but having used the one in the Kodiaq, in conjunction with Auto Hold, it really is very good. Skoda have given a lot of thought to it's operation and functionality.

There are some reported issues with rattling noises with the DSG, admittedly with the TDI's  - mine is one of them. See other post. 

 Apart from the noise, the box is quite smooth but not any better than many other auto's I've had and significantly worse than my last BMW. Mine is slow to change down sometimes at slow speed, and I find the excessive auto downchange/engine braking irritating when going downhill (although I could shift mode into ECO which would get round that) and I often manually intervene to nudge it up a gear. 

30 minutes ago, DonkeyKong said:

There are some reported issues with rattling noises with the DSG, admittedly with the TDI's  - mine is one of them. See other post. 

 Apart from the noise, the box is quite smooth but not any better than many other auto's I've had and significantly worse than my last BMW. Mine is slow to change down sometimes at slow speed, and I find the excessive auto downchange/engine braking irritating when going downhill (although I could shift mode into ECO which would get round that) and I often manually intervene to nudge it up a gear. 

Mine doesn’t change down when going downhill, unless the brakes are used.

46 minutes ago, DonkeyKong said:

(although I could shift mode into ECO which would get round that)

 

No it doesn't. It will coast for so long, but if you pick up speed it will put it back into gear to prevent you going too fast.

I’m guessing the 2.0 DSG box will act much like the 1.4’s (though it’s a different box).  That is, the actual gear changes will be so smooth as to be virtually undetectable. What can be slightly annoying is the combination of initial take-up of drive as you set off, in combination with the release of the brakes (and often with the auto-restarting of the engine).  As otthers have said, that shows up worst during hill manoeuvres.

As far as the auto stop start goes I have an auto routine of start engine and immediately switch off the stop start. It drove me mad especially if trying to do a right turn onto a busy road. 

 

I will adopt the same routine in the Kodiaq.

I believe you can code out the Stop/Start using VCDS, or you might be able to persuade your dealer to do it for you at the next service or visit if they are helpful.

15 minutes ago, DaveMiller said:

I’m guessing the 2.0 DSG box will act much like the 1.4’s (though it’s a different box).  That is, the actual gear changes will be so smooth as to be virtually undetectable. What can be slightly annoying is the combination of initial take-up of drive as you set off, in combination with the release of the brakes (and often with the auto-restarting of the engine).  As otthers have said, that shows up worst during hill manoeuvres.

 

This is why forum comments on a particular feature have to be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

There are different versions of the DSG gearbox, and they're all mapped / adapted differently for the different engines and number of driven wheels.

 

Controversial, but some people are simply better at driving than others, some are more mechanically sensitive, people adapt differently, some learn faster or slower than others.

 

Stop/start, auto hold, accelerator peddle pressure, engine / oil temperature, model years, fuel type, output power, DPF regeneration, electrical load, environmental conditions etc. etc. can all affect the operation of the gearbox, and will all therefore affect an individuals perception of if they like something or not.

 

The only true test is to drive one yourself. 

Which I plan to do asap. 

I've done about 4k in a 2.0 tsi in the last 7 months, mostly (about70%) urban and city driving I  london, the rest dual carriageway  and motorways.

 

I've had no issues with the manuverability etc and in general it has been pretty excellent. 

My previous daily was a MY15 150TDI 4Motion dsg Tiguan I put  52K on. A very similar drivetrain and gearbox, the Kodiaq is smoother and quieter, the dsg shift slickly either 1 up or fully loaded and I've no issues pulling away uphill etc. BUt I am well used to auto hold etc.  Torque is almost the same you still get a decent amount of shove just about 12 -1500 rpm higher.

The only driving gripe I can level is the slightly vague steering  with the steering wheel In the straight ahead position at between 40 and 60 mph.

Oh and you have to engage ecomonly mode to coast, my tiguan would automatically coast in neutral if you lift off the throttle. The Skoda resets to "D" as default  eachtime you switch the ignition off for more than 20 minutes not the end of the world but it was something I liked on my previous  :/ mind that is nitpicking  YMMV etc

 

@ London_taffy

 

Do you mind if I ask your typical MPG, I'd image a tad on the low side driving in London

28.8 (just checked) though the kuga it replaced managed a meagre 26mpg over 3 years and 17k (with the award winning combo of all 1.5 ecoboost and truly terrible autobox awful, awful, awful)

 

Mid 30s are easily achievable  and I've gotten 43 out of it with no issue on a run to Woking and back (best in the kuga 33 and man I was babying it!) .

 

Try the 1.5 and the 2.0 back the back, though make sure it is a my19 as the 2.0 tsi have 10 extra bhp and a gpf filter  over the my18 2.0 tsi (no idea if that will make that much difference :/) 

 

Edited 8 November, 20187 yr by Guest
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Thank you to all who have helped me on this thread.

 

I am now the owner of a 2.0 TSi DSG 4x4 SEL.

 

After about 150 miles in it since yesterday in really sh!t weather I am absolutley delighted with it. I think I will really engine a long term relationship with this car.

An update:

 

I have had many new cars over the years of all types, sizes, drivetrains, power and trim levels - I have been very lucky in that respect.  So I am very used to swapping between cars on a very regular basis - I was linked to the motor industry so we had a huge number of demos from manufatcturers .  I make these statments because I can't remember such a big difference between cars as my change into the Kodiaq.  I just felt utterly relaxed and at home, as though I was putting on an old favourite bit of clothing.

 

I felt instantly comfortable and at ease and the the 2.0TSi provides a really good balance between power and smooth delivery.  I have only covered about 200 miles so far including short, long, off road [muddy farm tracks and fields] and a dump run and so far I have not one single complaint or issue.

 

I think this is the beginning of a long term relationship.  Hopefully my Kodiaq will be touring France next year and we have a longer term plan to take the long ferry to Santander and pootle around some of Spain, into France, Italy, up through Austria and then through Germany and back home.  That may not happen until 2020 but I can't wait. 

 

I have not looked at fuel consumption yet as I have been 'playing' with the settings and I knew the 2.0 would not be the most economical. But I bought it for all of the above reasons and it fits the bill very well.

 

Give it 6 months / 5,000 miles. It takes a while to really understand and get a feel for a car, and to learn it's habits and foibles.

 

Long may your feelings continue.