1 minute ago, DBT85 said:

Afore ye go.

 

How old are the rears? If they are part worn then typically you'd put the new tyres on the rear and move the rears to the front. It basically helps prevent the same issue I mentioned earlier happening in the wet. Its less of an issue with things like ESC but still something to be conscious of. 

 

Good point. The rears (sadly) still have a lot of meat on them. I haven't measured them recently but at the last service in April they were at 6mm. I was planning to get the fitter to measure again and make a decision on whether the new ones go on the front or back based on that. But...

 

Just had a call back from the fitter. Apparently there aren't any PS4s (or PS4S for that matter) in the country! I guess it's too early to blame Brexit...

 

So it looks like I'll have to go with my second choice - Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3. Can't say I'm too disappointed TBH - it was a close call in the first place.

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s2057p155857/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_Pilot_Sport_4_PS4_-_235_45_R18_(98Y)_XL_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_C_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_2_Noise%3A_71dB

 

Personally all seasons are my choice, i have on our fleet, vredestein quattrac 5, goodyear vector 4 seasons gen 2, and michelin crossclimates all very quiet and long lasting.

 

Just stick the summers on the front and all seasons on the back, no problem encountered. Thats also my plan to get rid of those terribly noisy P7 on the Superb, but as Oates said, I may be some time...

Edited 8 January, 20197 yr by xman

16 minutes ago, BriskodaJeff said:

Good point. The rears (sadly) still have a lot of meat on them. I haven't measured them recently but at the last service in April they were at 6mm. I was planning to get the fitter to measure again and make a decision on whether the new ones go on the front or back based on that. But...

 

Just had a call back from the fitter. Apparently there aren't any PS4s (or PS4S for that matter) in the country! I guess it's too early to blame Brexit...

 

So it looks like I'll have to go with my second choice - Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3. Can't say I'm too disappointed TBH - it was a close call in the first place.

 

I', sure I saw MPS4 on black circles. Might be a few days wait. Same for Camskill though.

 

If the rears are 6mm then I'd probably say don;t worry about it. Won't be long before the front will wear down to that and the difference isn't all that much. Its more a concern when you've got like 4mm on the rear and 8 on the front.

Just now, DBT85 said:

 

Its more a concern when you've got like 4mm on the rear and 8 on the front.

 

Only if its a 4x4

5 minutes ago, DBT85 said:

I', sure I saw MPS4 on black circles. Might be a few days wait. Same for Camskill though.

 

Me too - sadly now removed. Unfortunately I need to get it done this week as I'm doing a lot of miles over the weekend and next week, otherwise I'd try Camskill or My Tyres (who are showing them in stock). Happy enough to try the AS3's - it will be interesting to see how they perform. 

3 hours ago, xman said:

 

Only if its a 4x4

Not at all.

 

If you're turning and the rear goes because it's got less tread than the front, and therefore less ability to pump out water, its going to try and spin you around.

 

3 hours ago, BriskodaJeff said:

Me too - sadly now removed. Unfortunately I need to get it done this week as I'm doing a lot of miles over the weekend and next week, otherwise I'd try Camskill or My Tyres (who are showing them in stock). Happy enough to try the AS3's - it will be interesting to see how they perform. 

I'm sure they'll be great. The F1AS line has been great since they were introduced.

Edited 8 January, 20197 yr by DBT85

I'm pleased I amuse you @xman

11 hours ago, penguin17 said:

[...]

Just adding some contrast to your rating and experience of all-season tyres.  It's such a shame that people often slate them and put others off  trying them, based on experience of much older designs or just buying a really crap set, which you can do with any seasonal rating of tyre.  

 

Of course I don't own THE absolute truth! This was just a personal opinion based on my humble experience and therefore subjective. This is why I said I feel quite skecptic about all-season tyres (not specifically on GY Vector +). I didn't ban all-seasons at all. They can afford some advantages in certain conditions of use, I admit it. I even hesitated for Cross Climate on my ex Superb MkII, but since they were very new on the market. I had rather to wait for some owners feedbacks on different forums... ;-)

 

Now, to get more factual. My GY Vector + were in 225/45/17 on an Audi SBK Mk II approximately 10 yeas ago. Your experience is based on GY Vector + Gen 2, on a Golf Mk IV. Thus we don't speak about the same tyres... on different cars... Well I don't know if this comparison can help.

I give it to you, mine doesn't help much for a Superb Mk III either... ;-)

 

As we say in France, 'Anyone sees noon at his own door !' ;-) and sharing experiences is good!

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Bap33 said:

 

Of course I don't own THE absolute truth! 

 

Nobody does, and I'm as grateful for your opinion as I am for the others. For what it's worth I don't think @penguin17 was criticising you personally, just pointing out that all-seasons have improved significantly over the last few years. 

 

The best thing about this forum is that anyone can ask a random question and get brilliant advice from twenty people in twenty countries. Long may it continue. 

Yes, they improved. This why I hesitated 2-3 years ago for Michelin Cross Climate... ;-)

 

As said previously : "As we say in France, 'Anyone sees noon at his own door !' ;-) and sharing experiences is good!", then we agree at least on one point! 

11 hours ago, Bap33 said:

'Anyone sees noon at his own door !'

 

I do love all these idioms. When I googled this one the favourite story is that many houses in France would have a sundial at the front of the house above the door in order to check the time. Of course each one said something slightly or grossly different, hence 'each to his own' in English.  

 

Apologies for the off topic comment. 

 

@BriskodaJeff I would sllao be grateful for any feedback on ther new tyres. I have to make a decision soon.

If it is a UHP tyre you are after, Hankook have recently launched (in November at Essen show) the Ventus S1 evo 3, with emphasis on low rolling resistance.

 

Think it becomes available in few weeks time, so obviously no reviews yet

Very interesting thread - thanks. I have to replace my two fronts soon, but only have 12 months before my lease ends. I'm reluctant to pay too much for the sake of a year, but of course want safety and good day to day performance. Does anyone have any recommendations for a slightly more economical option to pair with the contisports on the back? Mine's a 150 TDI that's driven relatively sedately, with the odd slightly spirited moment...

Why not just swap front to back?

1 hour ago, xman said:

Why not just swap front to back?

 

Because the tread depth is getting to the point that I'm not sure they'd last the year, even on the back. Simply not worth the risk, plus I'll be even more irritated if I end up having to replace them with a month to go...

8 hours ago, CheshireBumpkin said:

 

Because the tread depth is getting to the point that I'm not sure they'd last the year, even on the back. Simply not worth the risk, plus I'll be even more irritated if I end up having to replace them with a month to go...

 

If the car is a lease why did you not schedule a front to back swap half way through to even out the wear.  That way can often avoid having to replace any.

 

The backs wear very little, so might be lucky and avoid replacements if you swap now.  Also still got chance of changing just one, not two, as one of those worn ones might still have sufficient tread at return date if moved to rear.

 

 

 

Edited 13 January, 20197 yr by SurreyJohn

Didn't give it a second thought before now to be honest. Might try swapping them around now and see if I can squeeze by. Must check my lease terms - I assume they just have to be legal, rather than the recommended 4mm at the point of return. 

The P7s my car was fitted with were horrendously noisy and spoiled the car. They produced the most unusual sound to the extent my dealer even changed wheel bearings. They did get quieter as tread depth decreased and around 36k they were changed for Michelin Primacy 3s. The transformation was immediately obvious, like driving a different car. I have a lease car so am limited as to what is available and these may not have been my first choice but they are worth considering even if they have a faster rate of wear. If the P7s were half the price I wouldn't want them on a Superb although oddly, on different cars, they've been great.

22 hours ago, CheshireBumpkin said:

Didn't give it a second thought before now to be honest. Might try swapping them around now and see if I can squeeze by. Must check my lease terms - I assume they just have to be legal, rather than the recommended 4mm at the point of return. 

Have a quiet chat with your approved tyre supplier (person to person)  within reason they'll tell the lease company they all need to be changed. As long as you've not been ripping through tyres like a 17 year old in a Corsa then the lease company will authorise.

 

I get my wheels swapped at the first major service when they're removed so all wear evenly. I've yet to have a tyre change for less than four tyres even when the last one was recovered following a blow out. The managers in fast fit centres keep their jobs based upon sales and lease companies rarely question tyre claims if in acceptable limits.

 

Actually, that wasn't me. I just heard that from somewhere.

On 19/12/2018 at 08:54, cs.rogers said:

What you need is a big knob to twist...You should buy a 3 series bmw and relax.

Not sure anyone in a BMW (or Audi) ever relaxes. Driving two metres from the bumper of the car in front requires most of their attention while the remainder is reserved for rage.

Edited 14 January, 20197 yr by byteme
typo

1 hour ago, byteme said:

Have a quiet chat with your approved tyre supplier (person to person)  within reason they'll tell the lease company they all need to be changed. As long as you've not been ripping through tyres like a 17 year old in a Corsa then the lease company will authorise.

 

I get my wheels swapped at the first major service when they're removed so all wear evenly. I've yet to have a tyre change for less than four tyres even when the last one was recovered following a blow out. The managers in fast fit centres keep their jobs based upon sales and lease companies rarely question tyre claims if in acceptable limits.

 

Actually, that wasn't me. I just heard that from somewhere.

 

LOL! Good advice, but it's a private lease without a maintenance contract, so any new tyre costs come straight out of my pocket... 

7 minutes ago, CheshireBumpkin said:

 

LOL! Good advice, but it's a private lease without a maintenance contract, so any new tyre costs come straight out of my pocket... 

 

7 minutes ago, CheshireBumpkin said:

 

LOL! Good advice, but it's a private lease without a maintenance contract, so any new tyre costs come straight out of my pocket... 

Haggle very hard then. 

When I bought my Superb 280 at 6 months old, it had the OEM Pirellis on 19" wheels. They were OK I think. When they expired I changed to Kumhos, tyres I've used before on my previous car (Subaru). I like the Kumhos, but they don't last particularly well. On the plus side they are quiet and soft whilst giving very good grip and handling.

 

So as of just before Christmas I now have Michelin MPS4s. Quite expensive, but I justified it with the hope that they would last better than the Kumhos. Well so far I have to say they feel and sound quite hard. Definitely louder than the Khumos. Grip is indistinguishable from the Kumhos even on twisty Scottish country roads. Handling is possibly a little tauter. But I have to say the noise and ride harshness is noticeable every time I set off. So I will only have them again if they last significantly better than the Kumhos (taking into account they are quite a bit more expensive). Being hard, they hopefully will!

Edited 15 January, 20197 yr by nicknorman

18 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

When I bought my Superb 280 at 6 months old, it had the OEM Pirellis on 19" wheels. They were OK I think. When they expired I changed to Kumhos, tyres I've used before on my previous car (Subaru). I like the Kumhos, but they don't last particularly well. On the plus side they are quiet and soft whilst giving very good grip and handling.

 

So as of just before Christmas I now have Michelin MPS4s. Quite expensive, but I justified it with the hope that they would last better than the Kumhos. Well so far I have to say they feel and sound quite hard. Definitely louder than the Khumos. Grip is indistinguishable from the Kumhos even on twisty Scottish country roads. Handling is possibly a little tauter. But I have to say the noise and ride harshness is noticeable every time I set off. So I will only have them again if they last significantly better than the Kumhos (taking into account they are quite a bit more expensive). Being hard, they hopefully will!

I suspect the susceptibility to tyre noise is due to the light body weight. My experience with the P7s was that tyre noise was generated at two different frequencies, the usual low frequency tyre rumble and a really annoying higher pitched noise that could be heard through/over loud rock music on the media system. The worst of it is the windscreen seems to focus it.

 

Later cars I've driven seem less affected so clearly its an issue they are aware of but VAG are so secretive.

On 08/01/2019 at 13:52, BriskodaJeff said:

Good point. The rears (sadly) still have a lot of meat on them. I haven't measured them recently but at the last service in April they were at 6mm. I was planning to get the fitter to measure again and make a decision on whether the new ones go on the front or back based on that. But...

 

Just had a call back from the fitter. Apparently there aren't any PS4s (or PS4S for that matter) in the country! I guess it's too early to blame Brexit...

 

So it looks like I'll have to go with my second choice - Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3. Can't say I'm too disappointed TBH - it was a close call in the first place.

Never believe what tyre fitters say. They're sales figures are checked at least twice a day and they will do anything to meet targets.