The more optional extras I added to the Karoq, the closer its price got to the Kodiaq in the same spec. Until there was almost no difference.

 

Does it make sense to go for a Kodiaq, if the car will be mostly used on the motorways, even if only by two people?

 

Or is it worth paying almost the same price for a Karoq, because it's much better to drive and much more fuel-efficient?

 

In other words, has anyone gone for a Kodiaq not because they needed that much space, but because it was a better value for money?

 

The difference in price is 2000-3000€ in my country for the spec I am looking at.

Edited 5 February, 20197 yr by Guest

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What engines / gearbox are you considering and comparing on price and what will be miles / km annually?

Just now, Skoffski said:

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What engines / gearbox are you considering and comparing on price and what will be miles / km annually?

 

1.5 TSi DSG 4x4

 

20-30k km / year.

18 minutes ago, onvo said:

1.5 TSi DSG 4x4

 

Do you have a 2WD option on the 1.5TSi DSG? Really not convinced that 4x4 is necessary for motorway driving, and it will impact on your mpg figure quite heavily...

@onvo where is your Country?

37 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

@onvo where is your Country?

 

Baltic states.

 

43 minutes ago, WiggosSideburns said:

Do you have a 2WD option on the 1.5TSi DSG? Really not convinced that 4x4 is necessary for motorway driving, and it will impact on your mpg figure quite heavily...

 

I am planning to buy a house in the countryside, which could become unreachable for half a year without 4x4 due to snow and ice.

 

Essentially, I need 4x4 for the last few miles:

 

 

(This is how my entire country looks like at the moment.)

 

I probably wouldn't consider 4x4 if I lived in the UK.

Edited 5 February, 20197 yr by Guest

Which one cruises the best will depend a lot on the wheels and tyres chosen.  

 

Only real advantage of Kodiaq over Karoq is more space inside.

But the Kodiaq is bigger and heavier, so needs more fuel

 

Decision will also be influenced by what is standard and what is a cost option in your country.  If you add lots of options to one, that are standard on other then price difference might be close.

 

Similar thing used to happen in UK with Octavia vRS vs Superb SE-L 220.  Adding options to Octavia made it a similar price, as were many were already included on Superb.

 

 

10 minutes ago, SurreyJohn said:

Similar thing used to happen in UK with Octavia vRS vs Superb SE-L 220.  Adding options to Octavia made it a similar price, as were many were already included on Superb.

 

That's exactly the case with Karoq and Kodiaq in my country. That's why this topic.

 

So, if I don't need the additional space, I would just lose money on fuel in the long run with Kodiaq without any added benefits to driving experience over Karoq?

 

On the other hand, Kodiaq should be worth more than Karoq when I decide to sell. I could get more of the money back from it.

Edited 5 February, 20197 yr by Guest

Just do the sums.

 

The Delta in fuel cost may be less significant than lots of other factors.

 

If the Delta isn’t too big, then you need to choose Medium or Large.

 

Is parking a problem?

 

More space is good for people and their junk.

Parking won't be a problem.

 

What an average real life fuel consumption should I expect from 1.5 TSi DSG 4x4 with each vehicle?

 

Could it be something like 7.5 l / 100 km with Karoq vs. 8.5 l / 100 km with Kodiaq?

 

Or the difference is likely to be much bigger?

Edited 5 February, 20197 yr by Guest

I found the Kodiaq to be more stable at speed, due to the longer wheelbase. A tad more sound insulation too. We're a family of 3 with usually only one person in the car, and I don't regret the purchase one bit. The Karoq wasn't out when we ordered though.

for your mileage consider the diesel. also Kodiaq will be more comfortable than Karoq due to longer wheelbase

Thanks, this was exactly what I wanted to know.

 

I prefer to avoid diesel if there is a petrol alternative with enough torque and not more than 30% higher running costs.

 

 

2 hours ago, TonyTonic said:

for your mileage consider the diesel. also Kodiaq will be more comfortable than Karoq due to longer wheelbase

 

You have to adjust for the different climate, if it is -15c in winter then then diesel will not be getting anything like official mileage (which is based on +25c) and takes a lot longer to warm through than the petrol engine.  

 

Agree about longer wheelbase should ride slightly better (although different size winter tyres may make more of a difference)

 

 

A Euro 6 TDI and the latest with SCR and WLTP Type approved will do great economy at low temperatures as long as trips are over 10 miles / 16km or so. 

 

A Turbo Diesel with an Intercooler is just loving the nice fresh cool air coming into it and uses less energy having to keep the engines oil cool once it is up around 90*oC 

which might take 20 miles / 32 km.

 

@SurreyJohn

Re the 'Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test,'  where did you see the testing and figures from testing comes based on a 25*oC ambient temp.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 February, 20197 yr by Skoffski

1 hour ago, Skoffski said:

A Euro 6 TDI and the latest with SCR and WLTP Type approved will do great economy at low temperatures as long as trips are over 10 miles / 16km or so. 

 

A Turbo Diesel with an Intercooler is just loving the nice fresh cool air coming into it and uses less energy having to keep the engines oil cool once it is up around 90*oC 

which might take 20 miles / 32 km.

 

@SurreyJohn

Re the 'Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test,'  where did you see the testing and figures from testing comes based on a 25*oC ambient temp.

 

 

I knew the old NEDC was between 20c and 30c hence 25c

It appears WLTP is done at 23c and repeated at 14c

 

https://www.vda.de/en/topics/environment-and-climate/Global-WLTP-roll-out-for-more-realistic-results-in-fuel-consumption/WLTP-What-distinguishes-the-new-test-procedure-from-the-old-one.html

 

What I was trying to show (and apologies for not making it clear) was that for short journeys at -15c, diesel will be poor

 

Of course once it has done 20 miles it will be lot more efficient, but for many that 20 mile+ will just be occasional journey (and anyway is likely to trigger a DPF regen).   So where winters are very cold, the actual ratio of petrol vs diesel consumption will be different to the petrol vs diesel on testing

 

The Balkans can be very hot as well as cold. 

As i said over 10 miles even at temps well below 0*oC should have a Euro 6 TDI running efficiently fuel wise as is easily seen when you run one in that conditions.

Short regular or daily journeys regardless of the weather and the consumption can be ridiculous and cold weather makes that even worse.

 

 

The old NEDC was in a Temperature Controlled Building on a Rolling road much like the WLTP.

The RDE should not be, World Wide Harmonisation might as well be ignored for the UK.  It would be good to see  how often 25*oC was the Average Temp in the UK.

We need more Global Warming before that happens.

Edited 6 February, 20197 yr by Skoffski

1 hour ago, Skoffski said:

The Balkans can be very hot as well as cold. 

 

 

Donald Trump II  

 

Actually thread author is from Baltics.

Little different area.

 

About cold weather - nowadays the diesels are very efficient. When the temperature is up to -10C the cosnsuption remains basically the same, but lower than -10 -15C consuption tends to increase.

To be fair, the temperatures in Baltics and Balkans can be pretty similar (from -15° in winter to +35° in summer).

 

I read that the diesel engine can be more cost-efficient, but how much more?

 

In my mind, the added discomfort of the diesel is also a cost.

Sorry, Bolloc0cks,

misread the other night.  Not quite Baltic here anymore but still a bit icy.

 

Any diesel that can not do 10 miles for 1 litre of diesel when not towing is surely not worth getting.

 

In the UK they still talk Gallons and MPG and the speed limits are in MPH and the fuel is sold in litres.

Edited 6 February, 20197 yr by Skoffski

On 06/02/2019 at 18:02, Skoffski said:

Sorry, Bolloc0cks,

misread the other night.  Not quite Baltic here anymore but still a bit icy.

 

Any diesel that can not do 10 miles for 1 litre of diesel when not towing is surely not worth getting.

 

In the UK they still talk Gallons and MPG and the speed limits are in MPH and the fuel is sold in litres.

 

I reckoned it was still worth getting for lots of other reasons 

On 06/02/2019 at 16:08, Skoffski said:

As i said over 10 miles even at temps well below 0*oC should have a Euro 6 TDI running efficiently fuel wise as is easily seen when you run one in that conditions.

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That is not my experience. Earlier this week we had temperatures of -5C, and it took 10 miles before the water was fully up to temperature on my diesel Kodiaq, and 15 miles before the oil was approaching a normal temperature. This was on roads travelling between 40 and 60mph, so a reasonable engine load. 

 

I find fuel economy on the diesel improves significantly once ambient temperature is above around 6C. 

What mpg do you get after 20 mes when the ambient temp is below freezing?

5 hours ago, Skoffski said:

What mpg do you get after 20 mes when the ambient temp is below freezing?

 

My daily commute is 25 miles each way and is pretty consistent. This week with temperatures not far above zero I’ve managed a fairly consistent 42 mpg. For the one day this week the weather warmed up for my journey home to around 8C and I managed 52mpg. On the days when it was significantly below freezing (-5C) it was managing 39mpg. 

 

Looking at the read outs when driving it looks like when it’s close to freezing, the extra electrical load with the auxiliary heater and seat heater running engine makes a big difference.  For the first 5 miles of my journey the MPG can be 30% lower than the best it manages. 

 

However, even when the electrical heaters have switched off for the latter part of the journey, I still don’t see the same economy as I expect when the weather is warmer. We generally do journeys of 60-120 miles each way at the weekend, with bikes on the back of the car. Over the summer months we were getting 45mpg. Over the winter it is a struggle to get it to hit 40mpg, with it dipping down into the high 30s for many journeys, despite them being easily long enough for the engine to have been at full temperature for a long time. 

And yes, it’s a dull commute and I’m a data nerd. I amuse myself by keeping an eye on oil and water temperatures, average and instantaneous economy. Partly an old habit from driving cars where you needed to watch temperatures...