DSG in 1,5 TSI 150 ps

[Core2Duo]

Hi! I can't quite figure this out. I wonder to buy a Superb 1.5 TSI 150 ps.

 

Which DSG box is in this one? Is it the infamous dry box that has been a lot of trouble with? Some say all of today's 7-speed DSG to Superb is wet, while others say this is not right.

Someone who has the right answer?  

Edited 25 February, 2019 by Core2Duo
hp to ps

[xman]

DQ200 7speed Dry box. 

 

150ps not hp

[Core2Duo]

Okay. Is it a big risk to buy this one then?

The 7 DSG dry box has been a lot of failure with. Is this something that belongs to the past, or is it still a problem with this 7 DSG?

 

Still no service on the DSG 7? 

[xman]

3 minutes ago, Core2Duo said:

Okay. Is it a big risk to buy this one then?

 

Are you feeling lucky?

[Core2Duo]

9 minutes ago, xman said:

Are you feeling lucky?

So still same ****, you mean? No improvements? 

[xman]

12 minutes ago, Core2Duo said:

So still same ****, you mean? No improvements? 

Your guess is as good as mine. 

They still get mentioned a lot on Briskoda along with how many thousands they cost to fix, mostly on pretty low mileages too.

 

Possibly a small percentage, but if you want to keep your car beyond the warranty, either take an extended warranty that actually covers it in full including the clutches, gear lever and mechatronics, or keep your fingers crossed at all times.

Edited 25 February, 2019 by xman

[Too Tall]

How about giving some actual info instead of guessing and implying things?

 

Early DQ200's suffered from a known problem. They were a 'sealed-for-life' unit containing synthetic oil, which contained sulphur. Now, when the car is driven in stop-go traffic, and if you add hot and humid conditions to that, electrolysis happens, and the sulphur gets deposited in the form of conductive particles along the oil. The computer now detects this as a short circuit, and cuts off the clutch, which is why you don’t get the “Drive” mode when your DSG fails.

 

There was a massive recall switching to mineral oil (November 2013), and all newer boxes have mineral oil. This recall (1.700.000 DSG units!!!) forever tainted the DQ200 transmission. It will forever be 'that' gearbox.

 

Since then no widespread issues have come to light.

 

Currently there is one issue that I'm watching, it's the so-called 'kangarooing". Some (not all!) 1.5 TSI DSG equipped cars have shown this, it seems when the transmission is cold and at low speeds the throttle response can be jerky. Doesn't happen on mine, Skoda UK have acknowledged this is an issue and are preparing a software update to fix this. The update should be available sometime Q1 of 2019. My Belgian dealer is also aware of this issue, and the update. I suspect it's related to emissions.

 

Regarding the 'sealed-for-life' thing, Skoda (and VW for that matter) still send out conficting info regarding service schedule. I took delivery of my 1.5 TSI DSG Superb last saturday, and I plan to have a DSG fluid change every 2 years, done by the local transmission specialist. I also have extended warranty on the car.

 

These are complex cars, with very complex components. The DSG is a thing of beauty in use, but that complexity comes at a price.

 

Also, keep in mind no-one with a perfectly functioning DSG transmission is going to start a topic today on the Internet declaring his undying love for his gearbox. It's usually the people who have issues who post about it. And I feel for them, but there are some (even on this forum) who jump at every opportunity to copy/paste their story. Now, how tragic that might be, I don't think their experiences are typical of DSG owners.

 

I'm happy with mine.

Edited 25 February, 2019 by Too Tall

[xman]

12 minutes ago, Too Tall said:

 

Also, keep in mind no-one with a perfectly functioning DSG transmission is going to start a topic today on the Internet declaring his undying love for his gearbox.

How very observant of you. You've enlightened me no end.

Edited 25 February, 2019 by xman

[Ootohere]

@Too Tall

No widespread problem, just from 2015 the issues that have required a TPI,  Software Updates and Clutch Pack Updates.

See the 'Famous Slipping Clutch Thread' in the Fabia Mk3 Section.

Not just Skoda Fabias though. VW's, Audi's and SEATs.

Just a few, the ones that get Online, the ones that are being told. 'Never heard of that', or They all do that. 

There is an issue, a known issue among the 2,200 DQ200 DSG's Skoda CZ produce every day for 48 applications.

 

PS

World Wide Recall 2012., Warranty Extensions,  100,000 miles / 10 Years.

  just a Service Campaign in Europe. May 2014 in the UK with Skoda, '34F7'. Mineral Oil & Software Update. No Warranty Extension.

Then 2013-2015, Service Campaign '34H5', Software Updates.  Started November 2017 in the UK

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/439395-the-story-of-the-famous-dq200-clutch-slip/?page=12

 

 

 

 

Edited 25 February, 2019 by Skoffski

[Too Tall]

You can be as flippant as you want, if you are not going to give relevant information why bother replying? You honestly think correcting someone's preferred way of expressing horse power is relevant in a discussion about the reliability of a gearbox? 

 

Nevermind, just took a gander at your post history. Especially your created topics. Seems you have been dealt a very poor hand indeed... 

 

Skoda bites me again

One week to go and still nothing

issue

needed repairs

replacement (again)

beware

blunder

yet another issue

initial impressions-disappointed

 

My friend, a Skoda could walk over and plant a big fat kiss right on your face and you would complain you didn't like the colour of her eyes...time to move on to another carbrand, I'm sure your experiences will improve drastically.

[Core2Duo]

Thank you, @Too Tall  

 

Yes, I read a little about the kangarooing, as you mention. Good to hear that they work with some new software. 

 

I'm going to investigate what you mention about changing oil on this DSG. I know there are some transmission specialist in Norway as well, but there are few of them, and Norway has long distances. In Norway, we have warranty for 5 years or 100.000 km (62.137 miles) on the car. 

 

Funny that you writing this, I just say to my girlfriend that no one with a perfect DSG don't write that down on a forum, as you mentions.

[xman]

33 minutes ago, Too Tall said:

You can be as flippant as you want, if you are not going to give relevant information why bother replying? You honestly think correcting someone's preferred way of expressing horse power is relevant in a discussion about the reliability of a gearbox? 

 

Nevermind, just took a gander at your post history. Especially your created topics. Seems you have been dealt a very poor hand indeed... 

 

Skoda bites me again

One week to go and still nothing

issue

needed repairs

replacement (again)

beware

blunder

yet another issue

initial impressions-disappointed

 

My friend, a Skoda could walk over and plant a big fat kiss right on your face and you would complain you didn't like the colour of her eyes...time to move on to another carbrand, I'm sure your experiences will improve drastically.

Thank you for your advice.  I will bear it in mind next time I go shopping. I particularly note the trouble you've gone to, to generate a negative profile of me. Pity you haven't bothered to trawl the forum and list all the negative/positive DSG threads with a statistical analysis.

 

It must have started snowing again.

Edited 25 February, 2019 by xman

[xman]

Heres Honest John's opinion. HJ is generally regarded as an unbiased and good source, his opinions are based on the millions of emails he receives. 

 

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/112154/are-there-any-reliable-dsg-transmissions-used-by-volkswagen-

 

[Core2Duo]

Yes, ok. But are there any numbers for how many DQ200 DSGs are made for example? And how many of these have trouble with the DSG? I read on the forum here that in Denmark 98 % or something DQ200 boxes was working without problems. Of course, 2 out of 100 dsg boxes with problems is 2 DSG boxes too much with problems. But it's not such a large number?

 

And dsg must be a lot better now, than dsg in from 2013/2014/2015, or? I reckon they have improved the DSG since then?

[Ootohere]

Another little glitz some are having. Small in number probably as seen online, 'VW will say overblown online even if hundreds or thousands have the issue' world wide, or just in Europe, the home market.

No idea about if just the odd 'snagging issue', VW never admit for months or ever in Europe.

They will Globally if a court makes them if there is fatalities,  Well after they try every way of making out 'driver error'.

But that is just scaremongering, the biggest car manufacturers can be trusted to care about customers...

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/463302-no-throttle-response-on-startup

 

Edited 25 February, 2019 by Skoffski

[xman]

https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/press-releases/skoda-auto-produces-two-millionth-dq-200-dual-clutch-transmission-vrchlabi-plant/

 

You are asking questions that only VAG can answer, and I can guarantee they are not going to reply to you.

[Too Tall]

38 minutes ago, xman said:

 I particularly note the trouble you've gone to, to generate a negative profile of me.

 

Not me mate. That's all your own doing. I didn't have any trouble, your entire page of content is just an endless boring postcount inflating rerun of the same negative drivel.

 

I did my research before I bought and I'm going in with both eyes open. I don't have an entitled opinion that simply because I put down a dollar it becomes my God given right to never be disappointed. I understand sometimes life happens, sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't. 

 

Seriously, you sound like the kind of person who stands around on streetcorners wearing signs and shouting 'REPENT! THE END IS NIGH!'. Now, you may have a point. The problem is, if you keep on shouting the same over and over and over everybody ends up ignoring you. Which is what I'm going to be doing from now on.

[Ootohere]

None as blind as those that will not see, or whos research is a bit duff.

 

So like New York New York it is just a wonderful thing and i  will repeat.

 

**Another little glitz some are having. Small in number probably as seen online, 'VW will say overblown online even in hundreds or thousands have the issue'.

no idea about if just the odd 'snagging issue', VW never admit for months or ever in Europe.

They will Globally if a court makes them if there is fatalities,  Well after they try every way of making out 'driver error'.

But that is just scaremongering, the biggest car manufacturers can be trusted to care about customers...

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/463302-no-throttle-response-on-startup

 

Edited 25 February, 2019 by Skoffski

[xman]

Happy trolling!