I’m in the market for a ‘new to me’ Superb and having studied the specs I think the 2.0tsi manual is the way to go for me. I can easily find plenty of 1.4tsi manuals, but no 2.0?  According to the reviews I have read they did make such a spec, but they appear to be incredibly rare.  The manual appears to be far more fuel efficient, and I enjoy being in control of the gears, hence my choice. I also fancy a remap to turn it into a real sleeper.   Am I on a hiding to nothing, or do they come up occasionally?

One thing to understand about the DSG auto is that you can drive it as if it was a manual without having to use a foot operated clutch. Some have paddle switches but all have a 'sport' position which allows gear change/selection just like a manual car. MPG variances in real life is unlikely to be enough to notice if you intend using the car as you imply. I cant remember a UK manual 220 on the S3 but others will have a better memory than me. 

hth

I’m fairly sure the UK market didn’t get a manual 220TSI (?) 

 

Have you tried the car? DSG is very very good and really suits the car and engine characteristics.  It also makes ACC much better to use.  I would also argue that driver involvement (fun) isn’t compromised; it changes quicker than you can even drop the clutch and with paddles you still have full control.  

 

The latest DSG cars are also apparently more fuel efficient than the manuals counterparts. 

I used to think like you as well, only wanted a manual because I wanted to "drive" the car. A Superb 280 caught my eye, which is obviously only DSG, so I relented. Would never go back to a manual now. 

But to answer your question, I haven't heard of a 220 manual over here. 

Well, I think you have convinced me to try a DSG then!

 

Thanks for the replies.

 

 

I don’t know about UK market these last years, but in France TSI 220 has never been proposed and MY2019 are all DSG equiped, except TDI 150, which is the only engine that can be bought with manual gearbox.

Manuals are kind of dead today. I'd get it only in case my budget was really really tight.

Showing no my age (50) and driving style to date; I have until the last two years had a ‘normal’ car, Skoda Superb, or Ford Mondeo, and a sports car, MX5’s, MR2’s, etc.  For the last two years I have run a Z4 as my only car as I really only have time for one car and the Z4 is very much useable as a daily drive.  However, my mileage is going to double from 10k to 20k for at least three years, hence the need for a more sensible car.  Ideally though I want a 2.0 petrol as I still want a quick car, and have always had manuals as I like to be in full control of the revs.  Sounds like the DSG should still give me what I want!

And dare I say .... the 4WD 280ps version will definitely give you what you want 

1 minute ago, Boxerdog1 said:

And dare I say .... the 4WD 280ps version will definitely give you what you want 

A trip to the bankruptcy court when he has to fill it up twice a week? 

51 minutes ago, BriskodaJeff said:

A trip to the bankruptcy court when he has to fill it up twice a week? 

Harsh, I managed to make the last £90 fill up last me 335 miles  (that must have been 75% town driving though)

21 hours ago, JackySi said:

Manuals are kind of dead today. I'd get it only in case my budget was really really tight.

+1 but mainly for large car... People don't seem to be fully ready for medium category (Scala / Golf).

On 02/09/2019 at 16:36, Captain Vimes said:

Showing no my age (50) and driving style to date; I have until the last two years had a ‘normal’ car, Skoda Superb, or Ford Mondeo, and a sports car, MX5’s, MR2’s, etc.  For the last two years I have run a Z4 as my only car as I really only have time for one car and the Z4 is very much useable as a daily drive.  However, my mileage is going to double from 10k to 20k for at least three years, hence the need for a more sensible car.  Ideally though I want a 2.0 petrol as I still want a quick car, and have always had manuals as I like to be in full control of the revs.  Sounds like the DSG should still give me what I want!

 

I came from a 2.0 petrol mondeo manual to the 220 TSI with DSG. The MPG is better and the fun greater by far.

 

The beauty to me in the DSG are the differing ways you can drive: be very lazy and just chug around, great in jams or busy motorway; you can use the box in sport mode via the stick and change by a simple flick to give you an extended rev range before it changes up, great for quick overtakes; or you can go into stick or paddle mode and use the gears as you wish, great when the roads are clear and you may want to make progress.

 

Extremely flexible and I do not see me buying another manual.  That said I am hoping that by the time i need to change this then full electric will be a real alternative.  Interestingly walking around Den Haag, last week charging points were readily available in the streets and there was a higher proportion of Teslas than I have seen elsewhere, maybe we need to seek an improvement in infrastructure in the UK before they really take off.

@Bud My parents visited Norway in may. There won't be any petrol & diesel engines for (brand new) sales by 2025 or 2030, I can't remerber. Only electric engines for cars. My father was also impressed by the proportion of Teslas...

19 minutes ago, Bap33 said:

@Bud My parents visited Norway in may. There won't be any petrol & diesel engines for (brand new) sales by 2025 or 2030, I can't remerber. Only electric engines for cars. My father was also impressed by the proportion of Teslas...

That sounds ridiculous. Electric has a lot of perks of course, but range/batteries are still very big issue. If you drive for work its simply not good enough. Not to mention in countries like Germany where highway driving eats battery in 300-350km. I recently took roadtrip to Denmark (Im from Slovenia) and I drove 18 hours with very little stops. I could never reach Denmark in 1 day with Electric. 
 

First they need to improve batteries, electrical infrastructure around the Europe, then we can talk about Electric only. 

P.S.: I'm huge fan of Teslas otherwise, always wanted to buy used one. But filling them up in Slovenia is very big issue. Not to mention closest service is in Austria Graz about 40min highway drive and u need their Vignette. If car dies on you you're screwed... Towing is expensive as hell and you're days / weeks without the car. 

Edited 8 September, 20196 yr by JackySi

23 hours ago, JackySi said:

That sounds ridiculous. Electric has a lot of perks of course, but range/batteries are still very big issue. If you drive for work its simply not good enough. Not to mention in countries like Germany where highway driving eats battery in 300-350km. I recently took roadtrip to Denmark (Im from Slovenia) and I drove 18 hours with very little stops. I could never reach Denmark in 1 day with Electric. 
 

First they need to improve batteries, electrical infrastructure around the Europe, then we can talk about Electric only. 

P.S.: I'm huge fan of Teslas otherwise, always wanted to buy used one. But filling them up in Slovenia is very big issue. Not to mention closest service is in Austria Graz about 40min highway drive and u need their Vignette. If car dies on you you're screwed... Towing is expensive as hell and you're days / weeks without the car. 

Hydrogen fuel cell might be a solution.

Heard about that, currently price makes it worse right? 

Not sure what UK ratio is for manual vs auto

but Skoda have published the split by model

 

Superb is 78% DSG

Kodiaq is 85% DSG

Karoq is 57% DSG

 

but Fabia is 87% manual gearbox 

 

https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/innovation/technology/manual-or-automatic-keep-an-open-mind/

 

So a bit of simple maths suggests only 22% of Superb are manual

 

On 08/09/2019 at 21:48, Bap33 said:

@Bud My parents visited Norway in may. There won't be any petrol & diesel engines for (brand new) sales by 2025 or 2030, I can't remerber. Only electric engines for cars. My father was also impressed by the proportion of Teslas...

 

Norway is ahead as it charges no VAT on pure electric cars, and permits them in bus lanes.   It also has huge amounts of hydro electric power which is virtually free once build cost is repaid.

 

On 08/09/2019 at 22:48, Bap33 said:

@Bud My parents visited Norway in may. There won't be any petrol & diesel engines for (brand new) sales by 2025 or 2030, I can't remerber. Only electric engines for cars. My father was also impressed by the proportion of Teslas...

 

On 08/09/2019 at 23:06, JackySi said:

That sounds ridiculous. Electric has a lot of perks of course, but range/batteries are still very big issue. If you drive for work its simply not good enough. Not to mention in countries like Germany where highway driving eats battery in 300-350km. I recently took roadtrip to Denmark (Im from Slovenia) and I drove 18 hours with very little stops. I could never reach Denmark in 1 day with Electric. 
 

First they need to improve batteries, electrical infrastructure around the Europe, then we can talk about Electric only. 

P.S.: I'm huge fan of Teslas otherwise, always wanted to buy used one. But filling them up in Slovenia is very big issue. Not to mention closest service is in Austria Graz about 40min highway drive and u need their Vignette. If car dies on you you're screwed... Towing is expensive as hell and you're days / weeks without the car. 

Sorry, I forgot to mention an important point. This new law will only be applied to personal cars.

 

On 02/09/2019 at 00:28, JackySi said:

Manuals are kind of dead today. I'd get it only in case my budget was really really tight.

 

On 02/09/2019 at 21:40, Bap33 said:

+1 but mainly for large car... People don't seem to be fully ready for medium category (Scala / Golf).

 

47 minutes ago, SurreyJohn said:

Not sure what UK ratio is for manual vs auto

but Skoda have published the split by model

 

Superb is 78% DSG

Kodiaq is 85% DSG

Karoq is 57% DSG

 

but Fabia is 87% manual gearbox 

 

https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/innovation/technology/manual-or-automatic-keep-an-open-mind/

 

So a bit of simple maths suggests only 22% of Superb are manual

 

As I said... People don't seem to be fully ready for medium category (Scala / Golf) and even more so fo small cars...  

On 08/09/2019 at 23:06, JackySi said:

That sounds ridiculous. Electric has a lot of perks of course, but range/batteries are still very big issue. If you drive for work its simply not good enough. Not to mention in countries like Germany where highway driving eats battery in 300-350km. I recently took roadtrip to Denmark (Im from Slovenia) and I drove 18 hours with very little stops. I could never reach Denmark in 1 day with Electric. 
 

First they need to improve batteries, electrical infrastructure around the Europe, then we can talk about Electric only. 

P.S.: I'm huge fan of Teslas otherwise, always wanted to buy used one. But filling them up in Slovenia is very big issue. Not to mention closest service is in Austria Graz about 40min highway drive and u need their Vignette. If car dies on you you're screwed... Towing is expensive as hell and you're days / weeks without the car. 

So I recognised that the UK Infra needs to improve and I feel there are other nations that should, seems Slovenia definitely should.  But I am not sure that your needs are the typical needs.  If most people do 7-8000 miles per annum, UK figures, then most of these are short journeys, average 10-12 miles. Then small city cars with sort range and low power is the way forward.

 

 Why not have a flexible policy, within any PCP or lease hire arrangement that enables people to take out a larger car for 2/3/4/10k miles as required. After all these plans are fundamentally about the overall mileage and how much you want to pay per mile.   These pooled assets could present the most effective way to deliver those longer journeys such as pure electric/hybrid/petrol/diesel/H2. And as you are paying for the service not specifically the capital asset then repairs and down time is not your problem.

On 09/09/2019 at 21:52, SurreyJohn said:

 

Norway is ahead as it charges no VAT on pure electric cars, and permits them in bus lanes.   It also has huge amounts of hydro electric power which is virtually free once build cost is repaid.

 

Norway is an anomaly as the government seems happy to lose revenue to make electric cars popular.  Everywhere else where BEVs aren't subsidised heavily have sales under 5% total volume. 

 

 

To answer @Captain Vimes question, there are no mk3 oetrol manual superb in the UK worth buying if you are looking for performance. 

 

If driving 20k miles/annum for the next 3 years and not going into London, I can see a diesel making sense. 

 

Anyway, DSG is way better than a manual in everyway. Even new autos such as the ZF boxes are better. I love manuals but if it's anything other than a sports car, I'll take a dual clutch or modern auto. Ever since I drove a VW Sharon with DSG years ago, I'm sold on the DSG. Basically a manual you don't need to clutch. 

27 minutes ago, KeteCantek said:

Anyway, DSG is way better than a manual in everyway.

 

You mean apart from reliability and maintenance costs. Doesn't matter much if you are the sort of person who will never own the car of course but those who keep cars a while or buy second hand it could be an issue.

 

 

2 minutes ago, SuperbTWM said:

 

You mean apart from reliability and maintenance costs. Doesn't matter much if you are the sort of person who will never own the car of course but those who keep cars a while or buy second hand it could be an issue.

 

 

I'd be interested in a fuller view on this one @SuperbTWM. I'm an owner and planning to keep mine for at least a couple more years. I did a lot of research before buying and from my reading the DSG box on mine (MY17) is pretty bullet-proof. Did I miss something?

 

Additionally I have to agree with @KeteCantek that the DSG is vastly superior to manual in daily driving. Just my experience based on two manual Mk2s and a DSG Mk3.