Is this normal? (the Scout, not the Citigo)

With Stop/Start active, car all warmed up, I set off and short shift into second gear.  It stalls before I've even lifted the clutch back up.  Hold the clutch back down and it restarts automatically, then drives normally.

With Start/Stop off it doesn't stall if I short shift 1st to 2nd.

Que?

Maybe you are going so slow that it doesn't register as moving so SS kicks in?  Is it every time or only some of the time?

I would say in excess of 5 mph, so surely it must know I'm moving? - or maybe not.

Just wondered if anyone else had noticed it.

........ and apologies, for got to answer your question.

I'd be hard pressed to say every time - but it needs a bit more observation to answer that properly.  I'll take note.

ps  tried to edit the original reply but can't find a way of doing it......

16 minutes ago, CityScout said:

 

ps  tried to edit the original reply but can't find a way of doing it......

 

You have to have certain number of posts before you can edit I think.

If you can, record a video of it happening. 

1 hour ago, MarkyG82 said:

 

You have to have certain number of posts before you can edit I think.

Many thanks.  Better get posting - without the typos 😜

Mine is manual, but SS does kick in if I'm rolling very slowly in neutral. Guessing below 5mph. Annoying, but power steering can be restored on waggling the steering wheel.

9 minutes ago, gregoir said:

Mine is manual, but SS does kick in if I'm rolling very slowly in neutral. Guessing below 5mph. Annoying, but power steering can be restored on waggling the steering wheel.

Hmmm.  Not a comfortable feeling if the steering assist dies.  Not noticed that bit but was always travelling in a straight line.  I guess there are no other options to control the system - other than turn it OFF.

1 hour ago, SC03OTT said:

If you can, record a video of it happening. 

I'll try (wife in back seat, camera in hand 😁)

Mine's manual as well, not DSG

 

ps ....... and now I can edit.  Cut off must be about 12 posts

Edited 16 October, 20196 yr by CityScout
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Doesn't sound normal.

Does it happen if you hold 1st gear longer than normal?

 

16 minutes ago, mattbeef said:

Doesn't sound normal.

Does it happen if you hold 1st gear longer than normal?

 

On consideration, I don't think so.  Not tried deliberately - but I will. 😉

I can't see any options on the system, anyone know if there are?

Hi cityscout,

I have a scout too and thought it had a tendancy to stall easier than my old 1.9tdi but just thought it was the newer version of the engine / gearbox being more tempramental ..... i never thoughtof it as being the stop start. I thought that only kicked in when out of gear (althiugh i suppose it could register a move feom one gear as passing throung  neutral) bu also though it needed the handbrake to be on.

When it stalls it does sometimes restart itself but occasionally says "restar engine manually" so the auto restart does hint at there being an element of start/stop at play here.

Does anyone know if octavias has any tyoe of anti-stall feature that might also having an influence ?

Thanks

3rd

9 minutes ago, 3rdoctavia said:

........Does anyone know if octavias has any tyoe of anti-stall feature that might also having an influence ?

Thanks

3rd

 The only anti stall I've noticed is the engine revs rise a little from idle when 1st gear is engaged at a standstill

I can only speak from experience of Vauxhall/Fiat stop start with a manual box.

You need to stopped out of gear and with nothing too power consuming running for it to work. Once it stops you need to dip the clutch or let the vehicle roll over about 5mph and the engine kicks back in.

 

On my Octavia (Only had it for a week) its DSG so im guessing has anti-stall as it has clunked a couple of times this morning while it finds finds D1 when i try to set off.

I suspect that is one of two things though. Car is re-learning my driving style of there is an issue with the gearbox (hope not but thankfully i have extended warranty)

Mine used to stall if I tried to move off quicker than it liked on stop/start,

the revs just did not pick up as quickly when it was in operation.

Even when warm, embarrassing and potentially dangerous.

Ive just been out and moved my car from our overflow carpark to the main one, so had the chance to do a few tests.  Not very scientific but has shed a bit of light on things.

 

Cold engine, start stop on, when shifting from 1st to 2nd at low revs (about 1000) it stalled but then auto restarted when i dipped the clutch .

 

Start stop switched off , changing at low revs again, and although the revs dipped the torque pulled the car slowly back up the rev range to roll along at idle revs in 2nd gear ... but no stall.

 

So it seems to be that the start stop kicks in when the revs dip from the early change, yet when turned off the engine just pulls the car along.

 

From now on i think ill only switch start stop on when im in city traffic as in everyday use it seems to be a hinderence and even a bit dangerous when it activates when pulling out from a junction

2 hours ago, CityScout said:

Many thanks.  Better get posting - without the typos 😜

As a non Freedom member you have 1 hour to make alterations. 

What's the reason for 'short shifting'? What's the urgency to get into second gear?

 

I appreciate first gear is shorter on the 4x4's which requires a sooner shift into second, but perhaps leaving it in 1st for a few seconds longer might be the key?

21 hours ago, 3rdoctavia said:

Ive just been out and moved my car from our overflow carpark to the main one, so had the chance to do a few tests.  Not very scientific but has shed a bit of light on things.

 

Cold engine, start stop on, when shifting from 1st to 2nd at low revs (about 1000) it stalled but then auto restarted when i dipped the clutch .

 

Start stop switched off , changing at low revs again, and although the revs dipped the torque pulled the car slowly back up the rev range to roll along at idle revs in 2nd gear ... but no stall.

 

So it seems to be that the start stop kicks in when the revs dip from the early change, yet when turned off the engine just pulls the car along.

 

From now on i think ill only switch start stop on when im in city traffic as in everyday use it seems to be a hinderence and even a bit dangerous when it activates when pulling out from a junction

 

Sound just like mine.  Guess it's a 'feature' and I agree entirely with your reasons for turning it off.  Trouble is, from what I can see, every time you stop driving and leave the car, it's going to turn itself back on again.

 

 

21 hours ago, john999boy said:

As a non Freedom member you have 1 hour to make alterations. 

 

Thanks.  Less typos and second thoughts, then.😉

 

18 hours ago, silver1011 said:

What's the reason for 'short shifting'? What's the urgency to get into second gear?

 

I appreciate first gear is shorter on the 4x4's which requires a sooner shift into second, but perhaps leaving it in 1st for a few seconds longer might be the key?

 

Yep, might have to learn to hang on to 1st a bit longer.  It's habit from a lifetime of driving lots of different types of vehicles, some of it learned from 'What are you revving the ar*e off it in 1st gear for?  It's not a drag strip!", some from big, heavy vehicles where 1st was a crawler gear, some from fragile gearboxes, some from the knowledge that the more torque applied to the drivetrain, the quicker it wears, or even breaks, then there's more discomfort for your passengers - and, dare I say it is, more pollution.  Neither is it likely to get you there any quicker.

But basically, habit.

Might have to learn a new one - but let's see if it adapts to my driving style.  It's not DSG, or ACC, so I doubt it.