Averaging around 40 mpg in this weather for a 1.5 SEL is in my book also a decent figure. The Karoq has its good points but is shaped like a brick so hardly aerodynamic.  Our previous Octavia 1.6 diesel estate returned around 50 mpg but considering the price differential between petrol and diesel fuel costs work out about the same. I find Sport mode is just as economical as Normal and a far better experience. Also the acceleration is fine for the type and design of car and quite adequate on most roads. Now that the software update has sorted the power failure approaching traffic islands etc. I am very pleased with the car.

@Rockinghorse I think you have a valid argument that there may be something wrong with your 1.5tsi based on your descriptions of consumption and performance.

 

Your best bet may be to validate the lack of apparent performance.

I would suggest you find an empty stretch of road where you can try some full bore 0 to 60 mph and see how close the manufacturers figures you get.

Dont forget to check speedo accuracy first to make sure you are not measuring 0 to 55.

If it is as bad as you say then the difference should be fairly significant and something to go back to the dealers with that they can work on and one can hope that if they fix it then the engine's efficiency may also improve.

 

 

Skoda claim a 268bhp Superb can average 39.8mpg after tonight’s commute I must agree with them (with 359bhp now)

2 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Skoda claim a 268bhp Superb can average 39.8mpg after tonight’s commute I must agree with them (with 359bhp now)

 

Can you post up the long-term display over the last 2000 miles? 

Edited 17 February, 20206 yr by Guest

4 minutes ago, Scot5 said:

 

Can you post up the long-term display over the last 2000 miles? 

My Long Term reset 800 miles ago so is currently showing 38.1mpg.

29 minutes ago, Scot5 said:

 

Can you post up the long-term display over the last 2000 miles? 

More accurate than the onboard computer which under reads in my car just for you the first 4 tanks of Tesco Momentum so far.

Tank 1 38.82 litres 319 miles 37.35mpg.

Tank 2 65.22 litres 546 miles 38.05mpg.

Tank 3 56.63 litres 495 miles 39.73mpg.

Tank 4 60.82 litres 535 miles 39.99mpg.

Total 1,895 miles at actual 38.9mpg.

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

My Long Term reset 800 miles ago so is currently showing 38.1mpg.

 

We'll just have to wait another 1200 before you post it. 

Just now, Scot5 said:

 

We'll just have to wait another 1200 before you post it. 

I'll make a note in my diary just for you.

I understand what you are saying but there are many people on this site which are recording high 50s and I can't even squeeze past 41mpg. However I am convinced there is a fault as my 1.5 is very flat and noisey which is not what these folks are finding.

It has been far worse since the dealership did the updates. My dealership insist that it all looks fine on the computer but they have done a journey in it.

Some people can just drive economically and might drive alone.

If everyone got great MPG's then the average would be higher than it is.

 

Imagine if you had a 1.5TSI  DSG light hybrid and to get the MPG that others can maybe achieve just driving normally you need to get to the top of hills with electric assistance and then coast all the way down.

 

The cars actual speed and average speed is a joke really, speeding up filming does not change the km/h showing... Slow driving.

49 km/h so near 30.5 mph average.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 18 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

I noted on 10th of Feb that a local shopping trip of 12 miles overall, stopping & starting lots of times, but 75% of the journey on the level, I averaged just less than and indicated 31mpg.  1/4 this distance (said 1/2 before) was on narrow, hilly country lanes and the rest on the level. 

 

I did the 1st bit of the trip, through hilly Epping Forest again, a couple of days ago,  just 6 miles incl return, yet this time I was surprised to do a substantially better indicated 37mpg.  The engine would have been barely warmed up, oil definitely not.  Only 50% was on the level.  However, before I had been stuck a fair while, in traffic, trying to get out of 2 awkward car parks, with stop/start turned off - that must be the reason for that worse economy - waiting around idling too long.  Even so 30mpg on local trips was not bad, but 37mpg even better.

 

After a month or two, I'd decided to turn off stop/start, that's if I didn't forget.  However I started to notice with low to moderate distance journeys, that at traffic lights, the indicated average journey mpg does start worsening noticeably on the screen, while waiting with engine idling.  So I gradually adapted my start/stop behaviour.  Still turned off at start of journey from home as before, so can do quick getaways from junctions / roundabouts, but on arriving at traffic lights, if I reckon on more than a few seconds wait, or am expecting a series of lights, I reach for the stop/start button temporarily.

 

I've even now started to put the handbrake on too when the engine is stopped, so as not annoy people behind with my illuminated brake lights.  Trouble is, that triggers the auto brake, so then I try to anticipate the lights going green, take handbrake and then autobrake off a few seconds before, so I can start the creep forwards and make a smooth getaweay - I don't like the jerky way car tends to move off direct from autobrake.  I'm grateful for many of the automation features in the car but in this case, sometimes tempted to leave my brakelights on & not worry about others.  Maybe scope for a bit of VCDSing some time, if I decide I can totally do without the autobrake.

 

Whilst writing, I recently came across an older thread, where people were talking about how far the car would go, after the petrol gauge registered zero before conking out - some people tried it - a fair distance apparently and useful to know.  I wondered about this though.  My last car but one car was a Saab 9-5 Petrol with Turbo and the handbook had strict warnings about not letting the fuel tank run dry, as it could damage the Turbo.  (In fact a defective Turbo saw the demise of that car at 10 years old).

 

However it seems that people here who did this, still have their Karoks running well and one even still getting over 60mpg now and again, so looks like no damage done in these cases & pleased for them, but I shan't try doing it.

 

This was meant to be a short message!!

 

 

 

 

On 18/02/2020 at 16:25, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Some people can just drive economically and might drive alone.

If everyone got great MPG's then the average would be higher than it is.

 

Imagine if you had a 1.5TSI  DSG light hybrid and to get the MPG that others can maybe achieve just driving normally you need to get to the top of hills with electric assistance and then coast all the way down.

 

The cars actual speed and average speed is a joke really, speeding up filming does not change the km/h showing... Slow driving.

49 km/h so near 30.5 mph average.

 

I have been driving for over fifty years and have prided myself on my extra smooth driving practice where some of my passengers were convinced my cars were automatic. Added to this I have always managed to squeeze maximum mpg from my cars. I used to get 48 mpg from my old Passat 2.0 8 valve 115bhp with 96,000 miles on the clock ( that engine was also very much quieter than the Karoqs 1.5 ) so this car is proving to be very disappointing. My neighbor who had an 2019 Audi A3 1.5 was having similar problems to me and his was drinking oil so he took it back and they gave him a replacement car which is night and day different so I think there are issues with the 1.5 engine and they are not all the same.

 

 

 

 

@Rockinghorse  Nail on the head.  They are not all the same. 

The Service Campaign / Recall Actions might treat them as so but VW Group / Skoda really should know which they did what to on the production line.

My 4th paragraph of 7 hours ago contains misinformation - I hadn't driven the car near traffic lights for several days and only very recently started trying out the handbrake at lights proceedure, so habit not embedded in brain yet.  A longish drive today & I realised that putting on the handbrake when engine is stopped at lights doesn't bring on the autobrake too - I only have to press the brake pedal to be able to release the handbrake so that I'm ready to get going on the green light - that's no hardship.  Perhaps before, I'd accidentally touched the autobrake button that's located next to the electronic handbrake, maybe not looking properly.

So what you are calling the 'hand brake' is now the e-brake / 'parking brake',  and auto brake is the 'Autohold'.

Yes, of course your quite right root, sorry for confusion.  Haven't quite got the hang of Skoda Speak / Karoq jargon, just yet - it helps to get the names right I know.  Is e-brake actually used in the handbook, only been aware of it on this site & wondered what that it meant at first, parking brake is maybe a clearer name.

Electronic brake i would suppose.

 

Might as well be called the finger brake these days.   Or do not pull on by mistake or try with someone up your jacksy when moving because any idea of it being an emergency brake is pure fiction on some cars.

I originally thought e-brake might refer to autohold , but it actually sounds more like an internet sort of thing.  Handbook in front of me, Skoda approved term is  Electronic Parking Brake or Parking Brake, so EP Brake abbreviation possibly a bit clearer than e-brake.  Many things in cars these days involve electronics/ microprocessors as do most braking stuff - autohold, emergency predestrian braking (sorry Brake Assist), etc.

 

No big deal though & rant over.  I ought try using that emergency use of the Parking Brake on an empty road sometime, just to get familiar with it, in case I really need to use it  but aware of the warnings.

8 minutes ago, croquemonsieur said:

I originally thought e-brake might refer to autohold , but it actually sounds more like an internet sort of thing.  Handbook in front of me, Skoda approved term is  Electronic Parking Brake or Parking Brake, so EP Brake abbreviation possibly a bit clearer than e-brake.  Many things in cars these days involve electronics/ microprocessors as do most braking stuff - autohold, emergency predestrian braking (sorry Brake Assist), etc.

 

No big deal though & rant over.  I ought try using that emergency use of the Parking Brake on an empty road sometime, just to get familiar with it, in case I really need to use it  but aware of the warnings.

The Karoq and Superb Mk3 also feature Automatic Emergency Braking which uses the radar to jam on the brakes without the driver pressing any pedals in order to avoid an accident however I have experienced an incident when plastic sheeting blew across a motorway I was driving on and the car dramatically jammed on the brakes at 70mph which was a shock at the time as I wouldn't have braked at all as it didn't come into contact with the front of my Superb.

Thank goodness no one was tailgating you especially if the car being driven didn't have that kind of "tech" fitted. 

I now think I realise why 2 days ago, I incorrectly reported that the Parking Brake also switched on Auto-hold when engine is stopped at traffic lights.  It doesn't.

 

It was t'other way round but not quite.  I'd tried using the auto-hold with stop/start as Skoda intend & instead of just being content to press throttle to make car go as it tends to do this less than smoothly in my view, I was instead anticipating the lights changing, twitching steering wheel to set engine going and turning autohold off to allow car to creep a little before setting off

 

However, this didn't work as I recall switching off auto-hold puts the Parking Brake on (will check that again in a few days when next use the car - don't want to disseminate any more misinformation), so then had to press brake pedal to release handbrake and then allow car to creep forward before pressing throttle.  What a faff, all in with aim of getting a smooth start - so no more Auto-hold!!!!  Now, just using handbrake once stop/start turns engine off as previously described - works well without to much brain strain & is looking like my definitive proceedure.

@croquemonsieur

You are making it complicated.

Just coast up to a stop, touching the brake pedal if you want.  Press the pedal harder and 'Autohold' comes on.  Stop / Start will stop the engine if enabled.

No foot on the brake required.

You can start the engine if you want pressing the brake pedal, or touch the throttle, or a tweak of the steering.

You can crawl a bit if you want pushing the accelerator and that has 'Autohold off'.  You can touch the brake pedal and stop, or press harder and actuate 'Autohold'.

 

Not all cars with Autohold put the Brake Lights on, so be sure your car does if you do not like sitting with Brake Lights on.

"You are making it complicated."  Maybe Offski but old habits die hard.  The clutch in my last manual car (405GL) after 13 years from new was getting heavy as they seem to do with wear.  Some minor pain issues with right leg, so I got into the habit of applying handbrake & engaging neutral at lights , but I last drove that car 20 years ago and autos ever since.  I will try what you suggest and adopt it if it suits, but it wouldn't overly worry me to continue my handbrake method.

 

I'm not quite sure with what you're recommending though, whether the Auto-hold is switched on all the time, but with this on are you saying it only engages if you press the brake pedal more than gently, yet that still makes the stop/start work, or have I got that wrong?

 

The Karoq is my first car with stop/start.  I drove a courtesy sporty 3 cyl Fabia estate (133hp I think) incorporating this 2 years ago for a day while my Yeti was being serviced.  I recall that not pressing the brake too hard, or at least easing off a bit when actually coming to a stop & while actually stopped, kept the engine running, but braking harder stopping or when stopped, tended to cut the engine.  But things change and I don't remember that car having auto-hold.

 

One dealer, in my test drives of various Karoqs (I was trying diff wheel sizes, but I know, should have checked those tyre pressures), said that VAG & Skoda constantly strive to refine the way stop/start works and adjust on/off settings from time to time.  I've no complaints about when the stop/start turns engine off on my 6.5 month old car actually, but I note complaints here about this cutting the engine too soon, from people with earlier ones.

@croquemonsieur Stop / Start only works if you leave on. You can switch it off.   Autohold can be left to function. 

Stop / Start and 'Autohold are seperate things.    'Autohold' can be left on all the time if wanted.  Or 'off' as you want.

 

(The Fabia maybe felt sporty, the max they get from the factory is 110ps, no 'Autohold', but stop/start & a manual hand / parking brake)

 

 

I have only one leg so one foot!  A left one and i drive using standard 2 pedal cars.   The artificial foot just sits doing nothing.

I have driven the various combinations of DSG's for 10 years, diesel, petrol, 6 and 7 speed & all combinations of 2 pedals for over 40 years.

IMO 'Autohold' is the greatest thing since sliced bread. 

 

 Currently i am driving a standard auto which luckily sits where it is when in neutral and if needs be the hand brake only needs 2 clicks.

 

 

Edited 22 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

Back to fuel consumption, my 4 month old 1.5 tsi dsg, sel has only done 1200 miles and i have noticed a few people here saying eco mode makes little or no difference to mpg. The car is my wifes and I dont drive it much or far. Today I drove to work, 'A' roads though hilly and poor quality, narrow in places and an 18 mile journey. On the way there in standard mode it did 42.4mpg according to the trip and in eco mode on the way back it showed 47.6mpg. Now although they may not be true values, the difference suprised me. I'm used to eco driving, my previous Outlander PHEV would drop from 300v to 200v in eco and I drove in this mode all the time to conserve battery energy.  The car had recently been on a 300 mile return journey into Wales and came back feeling more 'run in'. Im pleased with the 47.6 mpg at this early stage. My BMW 520d auto returns 51 mpg for the same journey so looking at fuel costs the petrol Karoq is probably the winner.