I got these of ebay, some place in london, its gonna cost alot for postage etc to change them, so will change them over and see how it sounds, one guy on this post has already done it, and sez its much better quality.

Lack on knowledge when buying!!! but yeah, if its too tinny, i will try disconnecting the std tweeters, if it is still too tinny, then will have a play with stereo, if it is still, then will have to think of ways to get some bass, prob a small sub, or 7 x 10's in the shelf.

I was also gonna cut the plastic to see if that helps......... but if its an improvement over the std ones i will be happy

update, front speakers in, wired as per other post "helped needed asap" , fitted like a dream and sounds much better now, more bass to as there is no longer anthing behind the speakers, there was some white foam stuff, but took that out, no plastic behind that!!! so hope its ok in the rain, if not will put something in there!.

Also left the standard front tweeters connected, just sounds a little bit better i think, but disconnected the rears, much better

Overall, happy with the job, just wish i could have fitted the rears, still, will have to get those bloody star shaped bolts off, then will change them over

cheers for all the advise

If you still have the plastic, cut the bottom third ish off the back and put it back in will stop water running down and damaging the speakers

Failing that a bit of old plastic like you get around a matress works too

will do will see if it leaks first though.

Also, what does a blown/nackered speaker sound like, i wondering if something has happened to the drivers door, when i turn it up its sounds farty, rather than bassy???

Also, fitting the rears over weekend, any advise for the wiring of these, is it the same colour scheme as the fronts?

Cheers

Gav

Erm Farty isnt good, could be a bit too much bass to that door or something else not quite right such as the fitting. eg a door card vibrating.

Blown speakers you would see a tear in the cone or the glue seperated from the cone/surround. The other thing that can happen is a magnetic coil not working corerctly due to a manufacturing defact (other things after a while, but not new).

had a check the weekend, all looks ok, just think i have to much bass, mind, since installing the rears it seems alot better now, so prob solved.

Talking about the rears, the speakers ive used at a little bit too big, as in, the component part is touching the cover, well more like pushed it up a little bit, and i have the thick rubber seal on it too, still, sounds really good, think i heard some vibrations this morning though, so need some more testing

Would the speaker be ok pushed against the cover, the component doesnt move and is sold on the speaker, so i guess its ok....

Lesson: The Pioneer TS-G1349's are a little high for the Octavia, but will fit.

As long as the tweater dome isn't touching the cover it should be fine, just might allow a bit more vibration etc through. Obviously if you can sort is so the thing doesn't touch that much better

it is touching!!! any suggestions for dropping it, prob only need a few mm?

should i get some more rubber rings? what about the screws, i tried looking in B&Q for some replacement ones, but couldnt find any with the same thread, but if i drop the speaker a bit, i will need longer ones??

cheezemonkhai, as always cheers for the help

Erm depends really, you could take many approaches depeding on the clearance behind the speaker. Prehaps taking a small amount out of the fitting ring where required to allow the speaker to sit a few mm back.

Failing that get a fitting ring made from MDF if you are handy with the tools and use that instead of the spacer unit.

Where exactly are the rubber rings you talk about being used? You would have to check with the screws, but from my experience they are usually a bit too long anyway so a few extra mm should probably be fine.

Be careful about trimming anything in there though as obviously if you get it wrong you can't untrim it. For that reason I'd suggest teh MDF replacement if you can do that. Additionally MDF has good damping properties too

these rings are on the std rear speakers, when i took them off they where attached will look at the mdf route, not too good myself but my dad is a star

what will happen to the speaker as its touching?

If it's just the plastic nothing, if it's the tweater dome itself then that will get deformed and cause poor treble eventually or could even pop the tweater dome if somebody kick the door card when getting out.

Not really the end of the world, but you have just paid for the better speakers so may as well do the job properly assuming there is enough room to drop the speakers back a few mm into the door.

There is loads of room to drop them, as these are the rear speakers next to the parcel shelf, not the front door speakers, they fit perfect

no one will touch the rears, so guess they will be ok?

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Sorry don't know why i completely forgot they are in the 'catch all water' position.

Easy solution is to get some 3mm (Thicker will be ok too) mdf, cut two circular rings of the right size out of them.

If you have the time I would suggest some 6-10mm MDF, cut rings out of this and then use a router to create suitable notches in the top of the MDF ring to drop the speaker into the ring.

Paint the whole thing black/grey/, to stop water causing the MDF to degrade and to hide it.

Next screw the speaker into the mdf with the screws they come with and screw the wood into the parcelshelf bit with the screws it came with. You could use a router to cut a recess for the screws to make the original ones fit again length wise.

This will save your tweater from damage and should also make a noticable improvement for bass from the rear as your speakers will be causing less flex in their holder and the bivrations better damped by the wood

sorry, im not a wood person, but what is a router that creates notches???

It's a power tool. Think you can pick one up in B&Q for about £30, but if you are not a wood person a chisel, small hacksaw and a file is a manual way of doing the same job.

Basically you need to make holes in the top of the MDF such that the speaker sits in the notches and the top of the speaker is flush with or below the top surface of the wood. That way there will be no contact as the wood bolts into the frame and the speaker into the wood.

get it, will put my bob the builder hat on and have a go

Worth it if you can do it. I think the speaker box usually has some cut out templates on it so you should be able to use that to create your rings of MDF etc

Really really don't forget to paint them as otherwise they will fall to pieces as they get wet, and make sure you don't put a huge piece of wood, just a ring of about the right size.

Let me know how you get on

Edit: if you are feeling adventourous, you could replace the plastic spacers at the front with MDF ones for a similar effect on the bass

hmm, might do the fronts to then, not sure how much space in the front, but should be enought. Yeah the box does have a template, helps alot

Cheers for the help, well let ya know......

How did your install go in the end?

It went ok, nearly 2 years later and im bored of the sound now!!! LOL