Agree that a lot of hybrids are reg compliance vehicles and tax dodge specials. 

 

Except for the original mass market pioneer Toyota. (Sorry Honda, the insight was kinda the first but it didn't take off). Toyota hybrids are specifically engineered to be efficient in most situations and where they use to compromise a lot on power, the latest models are actually very decent all rounders. 

 

E.g. driving a Prius (without taking the peepee such as idling for hours ) whichever way would not see it drop below 60mpg average. Still one of the best cars in terms of environmental impact after taking into account whole life financial costs. 

I once had a pool Prius for a few days, couldn't get the mpg above 50, the diesel Octavia I had at the time was doing 65!  Both will have improved over the last 10 years but the hybrids will never get over the penalty that comes with carrying both a heavy battery and an engine/fuel around.  Very simple physics.

9 hours ago, KeteCantek said:

Agree that a lot of hybrids are reg compliance vehicles and tax dodge specials. 

 

Except for the original mass market pioneer Toyota. (Sorry Honda, the insight was kinda the first but it didn't take off). Toyota hybrids are specifically engineered to be efficient in most situations and where they use to compromise a lot on power, the latest models are actually very decent all rounders. 

 

E.g. driving a Prius (without taking the peepee such as idling for hours ) whichever way would not see it drop below 60mpg average. Still one of the best cars in terms of environmental impact after taking into account whole life financial costs. 

The biggest reason for Prius popularity nowadays is as a taxi/Uber/Lyft, especially in the USA, and the main reason for this is (apart from the good fuel economy) that they're extremely reliable and almost indestructible over high mileages, partly due to not having a clutch/gearbox and partly due to being a Toyota 😉

Edited 18 March, 20206 yr by IanJD

On 18/03/2020 at 09:57, IanJD said:

The biggest reason for Prius popularity nowadays is as a taxi/Uber/Lyft, especially in the USA, and the main reason for this is (apart from the good fuel economy) that they're extremely reliable and almost indestructible over high mileages, partly due to not having a clutch/gearbox and partly due to being a Toyota 😉

Yes, reliability plus efficiency. In London most private hire cars are some sort of Toyota hybrids for that reason. 

Hi, its strange for me how to reach more than 43mpg, I have a Skoda Superb iV, estate, 2020 with 1.4L petrol, and now chance to have more than 43Mpg combined,I'm VERY diassapointed, what I do wrong??? Thank you.

40-45 is normal without charging it.  Are you using the inbuilt satnav?  That has a smart system that will use the battery at the optimal time for the journey.  I use waze so have to make sure I control the battery usage myself.

No, I don't use the sat nav, I use waze.So, the satnav can improuve the mpg?

The satnav uses the route to decide what power source to use at what time.  I think it usually saves a bit of electric for the final part of the journey.  Main issue is that if you are doing trip out to see relatives, the car doesn't know that you might want to save some power for the return journey.

You need to charge the car though.  You haven't confirm that you are doing that.  If not then all the discussion on satnav is moot.

Thank you!

Mine averages around 70 mpg. That’s based on a full home charge and then using ‘EV’ mode below 40 mph, ‘hybrid’ above 40 mph. 
 

I always drive in Sport mode when in hybrid so it will self charge. 
 

My normal daily drive now is 50 mile each way commute with a mixture of town (10%) dual carriageway/motorway (90%). And I potter along at 65 mph (indicated) on the dual carriageway/motorway. 
 

Then I go to EV mode when I have sufficient range to get home - ideally with 1 mile range left. It gets a full charge every night. 
 

I have never bothered to see if the satnav is clever enough to choose when to go into EV mode - I normally use an Apple map and press the buttons when the road and/or traffic warrants a change. 
 

EV mode on the display defaults to 300 mpg and the times I’ve had it self charging around town can see the mpg drop to 30 mpg. 

On EV of course , you have the best MPG, but I drive daily about 160-200miles, and I must to use a lot the petrol engine, and the best was about ...44-45MPG, wich is ridicoulos for me.I'm so sorry that I bought this...it mire better diesel, this EV+Petrol in my opinion is one of the ridicoulos and bad solution.

9 minutes ago, Milet said:

On EV of course , you have the best MPG, but I drive daily about 160-200miles, and I must to use a lot the petrol engine, and the best was about ...44-45MPG, wich is ridicoulos for me.I'm so sorry that I bought this...it mire better diesel, this EV+Petrol in my opinion is one of the ridicoulos and bad solution.

 

 

A Phev is not the ideal solution if you do 160-200 miles a day. They are aimed at people with shorter commutes and occasional long trips.

 

 

 

 

56 minutes ago, Milet said:

but I drive daily about 160-200miles,

 

This explains it.  Yes you could gain from charging everyday but at that sort of mileage the benefit would be minimal.  Is is private hire?  Could you charge at different points in the day?  Yes it would mean a different use pattern but (depending where you plug in) could save a good amount of fuel.  As @aerofurb suggests, driving in sport will charge the battery somewhat but if starting already charged should see no worse economy that hybrid mode but with better throttle response and power.  

Due to building work at home I am unable to charge every day at the moment and I have been using GTE mode all the time and getting 45-50mpg.  When driving in hybrid and dead battery I was getting low 40s.

Edited 19 March, 20242 yr by MarkyG82

When I bought my Superb iV, I had a 4.5 mile commute each way and a regular weekend 110 mile each way journey. So, the hybrid system worked perfectly for both journeys. At the time, most BEVs wouldn't make the longer journey without a top up en route.

 

My normal longer 50 mile each way daily commute, may not be the ideal set up, but I find the car very impressive. But you have to interact with the system (ie choose EV or hybrid) to make the most of it, in my humble opinion. And I enjoy that!

 

Normally once a week, I now have an 18 mile each way commute, a bit of dual carriageway (60 mph) and country roads, villages etc (at 20-50 mph) - I've managed the day once in the summer on pure EV. Most of the time I use EV to go to work, hybrid then what EV is left on the way home. 

 

Certainly the real way to win is home charging (I'm with Octopus) with cheap electricity from a proper home charger. A friend of mine who is a motoring journalist, reckons EV public charging equates to having a petrol car making 35 mpg. In Sport mode with it self-charging, it does cane the mpg but it probably evens out if you revert to EV as soon as the range-o-meter says you can get home (I normally allow a 2-3 mile buffer). 

 

The aircon/heating system will reduce the perceived range by 2-3 miles. Heated seats make negligible difference to the range forecast.

 

It still amuses me to see adverts for the 'hassle free, no plugging it in' self-charging hybrids - as thought the manufacturer has invented perpetual energy......! 

9 hours ago, aerofurb said:

 

It still amuses me to see adverts for the 'hassle free, no plugging it in' self-charging hybrids - as thought the manufacturer has invented perpetual energy......! 

 

Amusement is not what I would call it.  Had a number of conversations with people who are supposed to be technically educated.  They still don't get that these "self charging" hybrids are the same as a prius.  Or even that when our PHEV runs out of charge it reverts to be a normal hybrid.  The marketing train has certainly done what they set out to achieve.

@aerofurb

The Journalist needs to be considering if it is many a BEV like a TESLA Tesla Supercharging @ around 50 pence a kWh and getting 4 miles per kWh.

£6.50 if that is the cost of a gallon of petrol will get 13 kWh of electric and take 52 miles.

If getting 5 miles a kWh than 65 miles.

if paying 65 pence a kWh and getting 4 miles a kWh then £6.50 is taking you 40 miles. 

.................

 

As far as public charging a PHEV and taking 13kWh in it is all about what the tariff actually is for a 7 kW AC charger. 

 

Getting only 2.5 miles a kWh public charging & paying 40 pence for 13 kWh is £5.20 and taking you 32.5 miles. 

£6.50 would buy 16.25 kWh and that x 2.5 miles is 40.6 miles. 

 

All about the Public Charging tariff really because once it is at 55 pence and higher running on electricity is hardly economic. 

 

@13 x 55 pence. 

£7.15 to go 32.5 miles if only getting 2.5 miles a kWh. 

 

 

Apologies, I assumed it might be taken that on a Briskoda Skoda Superb forum thread about Skoda Superb iV mpg (and therefore costs), that when I mentioned 'EV public charging' I was talking about the 'public charging' of EVs (in this case PHEVs) - I am really not interested in what Tesla charge.

@aerofurb   I understood that.  Just not what tariff of public charging your friend the Motoring Journalist is using in their calculations.

 

Supposedly the average public charging tariff according to the motoring press, and experts is a Median of 79 pence a kWh.

That is nonsense actually as far as when Slow / Fast charging is the tariff appropriate.  Like for PHEV charging. 

 

But if a PHEV is charged at 79 pence a kWh and takes 13 kWh then even if getting 3 miles a kWh that is £10.27 to get 39 miles on electric.