14 hours ago, MrTrilby said:

I thinking anyone boasting about their environmental friendliness whilst buying a heavy truck with the aerodynamics of a brick is only convincing themselves, regardless of fuel type. 

 

Doesnt everyone that virtue signals environmental awareness drive an SUV?

 

Not to mention the private jet to fly between continents to climate change conferences or to be photographed on street protests.

14 hours ago, MrTrilby said:

I thinking anyone boasting about their environmental friendliness whilst buying a heavy truck with the aerodynamics of a brick is only convincing themselves, regardless of fuel type. 

 

Doesnt everyone that virtue signals environmental awareness drive an SUV?

 

Not to mention the private jet to fly between continents to climate change conferences or to be photographed on street protests.

14 hours ago, MrTrilby said:

I thinking anyone boasting about their environmental friendliness whilst buying a heavy truck with the aerodynamics of a brick is only convincing themselves, regardless of fuel type. 

 

Doesnt everyone that virtue signals environmental awareness drive an SUV?

 

Not to mention the private jet to fly between continents to climate change conferences or to be photographed on street protests.

14 hours ago, MrTrilby said:

I thinking anyone boasting about their environmental friendliness whilst buying a heavy truck with the aerodynamics of a brick is only convincing themselves, regardless of fuel type. 

 

Doesnt everyone that virtue signals environmental awareness drive an SUV?

 

Not to mention the private jet to fly between continents to climate change conferences or to be photographed on street protests.

14 hours ago, MrTrilby said:

I thinking anyone boasting about their environmental friendliness whilst buying a heavy truck with the aerodynamics of a brick is only convincing themselves, regardless of fuel type. 

 

Doesnt everyone that virtue signals environmental awareness drive an SUV?

 

Not to mention the private jet to fly between continents to climate change conferences or to be photographed on street protests.

14 hours ago, MrTrilby said:

I thinking anyone boasting about their environmental friendliness whilst buying a heavy truck with the aerodynamics of a brick is only convincing themselves, regardless of fuel type. 

Doesnt everyone that virtue signals environmental awareness drive an SUV?

 

Not to mention the private jet to fly between continents to climate change conferences or to be photographed on street protests.

Totally agree with both Silver and Zac, hence I proceeded with my choice of engine despite some of the fuel costs scare stories (which, in my case, turned out to be untrue). Likely difference in fuel costs is small compared to the other (some unknown) costs of running the vehicle, such as depreciation, servicing, reliability (if out of warranty) and anti-diesel restrictions. At the time I ordered my Kodiaq, the available discount via my broker was greater for the 2.0 petrol car anyway, and hence the diesel would have been ~ £2K more, which made the decision easier. And in the UK, diesel is a few % dearer than petrol (the difference seems to vary with season, with added randomness just for fun) which narrows the fuel cost gap even more.

 

Don't get me wrong, I loved my Golf Alltrack: as Zac says, at speed, you can't tell what engine is under the bonnet, and indeed diesel improvements have significantly reduced clatter and overall noise and vibration (the reviews of the 150 diesel in the new Octavia are very good).

Back on topic Audi have just announced the diesel engines in the SQ7 and SQ8 will be replaced by a twin-turbo V8 petrol 4.0 litre which drops the 0-60 time from 4.8 seconds in the diesel models to just 4.1 seconds and presumably sounds better as well. The economy of the new 500bhp engine takes a hit however dropping from 36mpg to 23mpg. Larger brakes and wider tyres are fitted to the new petrol models to cope with the greater performance. They are fitted with an 8 speed auto gearbox, ACT and 4WD as standard to cope with the 770NM of torque.

Good for them, the 4.0 V8 petrol is an absolute pearler of an engine. 

2 hours ago, silver1011 said:

Some people get hung up on spending £85 a month on petrol versus £70 a month on diesel fuel for their 8,000 mile annual mileage, completely ignoring the big elephant in the room that is the £350 per month they're either throwing at a lease or paying for depreciation.

Some people do considerably more than 8000 miles a year. For me the real advantage of diesel over petrol is range rather than economy or cost.  I miss the refinement and revs of our last petrol car, but I don’t miss sometimes having to fill up twice in the same day, and usually having to fill up at least twice a week. If we didn’t do the miles, or I had confidence that the 2 litre petrol could do 40-45mpg fully laden at motorway speed (to give us the range), I’d have the petrol version every time. 

Bought an Octavia Vrs diesel in 2015 with a 500 mile range then traded it in 2016 for a petrol Superb with an 800 mile range. Wanted more performance so in 2017 bought an Octavia Vrs245 which had a range of 440 miles and now have a Superb that is even faster and it has a range of 625 miles. So the choice is out there either performance or range or both.

9 minutes ago, MrTrilby said:

Some people do considerably more than 8000 miles a year. For me the real advantage of diesel over petrol is range rather than economy or cost.  I miss the refinement and revs of our last petrol car, but I don’t miss sometimes having to fill up twice in the same day, and usually having to fill up at least twice a week. If we didn’t do the miles, or I had confidence that the 2 litre petrol could do 40-45mpg fully laden at motorway speed (to give us the range), I’d have the petrol version every time. 

 

I did make the caveat clear i.e. those who cover big mileage. Very few people do considerably more than 10,000 miles per year, and a large chunk of those that did, including me, won't be after COVID.

 

I do (or did) 25,000 to 30,000 miles a year. My diesel saloon would do 500 miles to a tank, an equivalent petrol more like 400 miles. That's another 12 fuel station visits a year, one more per month. I think I can live with that, it's not what I'd call an inconvenience, or one that would be enough to sway my choice of engine one way or the other.

I had a V8 4.6 110 Land Rover that ran on LPG and did not have a petrol tank and could do 800 miles.

The LPG was half the price of petrol at filling stations & cheaper elsewhere, but then the tanks were huge.

7 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Bought an Octavia Vrs diesel in 2015 with a 500 mile range then traded it in 2016 for a petrol Superb with an 800 mile range. Wanted more performance so in 2017 bought an Octavia Vrs245 which had a range of 440 miles and now have a Superb that is even faster and it has a range of 625 miles. So the choice is out there either performance or range or both.

You can really manage 625 miles with the car fully laden at motorway speeds? Where fully laden is 4 up; boot full to the ceiling; 4 bikes on a bike rack + roof box. That’s unbelievably impressive. 

Well nearly 700 miles over longer distances actually.

the EA 888 being one of the greatest mainstream engines of all time, petrol is a no-brainer for the UK. will GPFs need as much babysitting as DPFs ?  in NZ, diesel is the winner for lead-footed drivers lugging loads (tax is based on travel distance, not consumption). the appeal of the RS extends beyond the engine - pornographic seats and wheels and rear-end warble seal the deal. that said, i wouldn't mind an x-drive 330 D wagon in one of BMW's amazing range of blues

7 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Bought an Octavia Vrs diesel in 2015 with a 500 mile range then traded it in 2016 for a petrol Superb with an 800 mile range. Wanted more performance so in 2017 bought an Octavia Vrs245 which had a range of 440 miles and now have a Superb that is even faster and it has a range of 625 miles. So the choice is out there either performance or range or both.

Yes but that is also a reflection in the tank size too not just a reflection of economy.

I had both of these cars cars too, the 2015 VRS TDI Octy only had a 50L tank where the 206kw Superb had 66L and where the VRS diesel could get 560 miles out of tank and the Superb would only do 450 miles.

Not sure how you are getting 800 miles out of 66L and petrol motor consistently unless you have completely flat roads and are not trying to maintain normal speeds? That's 20km/L and my car didn't even do that on roads coming back downhill from the mountains? The 7 speed now may help though as the Suburb was a 6 speed back then.

My 7.5 Golf R in comparison has better economy than the Suberb did with another 30hp but is smaller and 7 speed but I can only get 440 miles (700kms) out of its' 55L.

Edited 23 July, 20205 yr by snala

2 hours ago, chrisluciofg said:

the appeal of the RS extends beyond the engine - pornographic seats and wheels and rear-end warble seal the deal.

 

It's not rear end warble you're hearing, it's a fake sound generator somewhere in the front of the car.

1 hour ago, Scot5 said:

 

It's not rear end warble you're hearing, it's a fake sound generator somewhere in the front of the car.

Wrong. It’s not a GTI where it has the Soundaktor under the windshield cowl. Has a speaker in the rear just like the SQ7 TDI. 

 

 

3 hours ago, snala said:

My 7.5 Golf R in comparison has better economy than the Suberb did with another 30hp but is smaller and 7 speed but I can only get 440 miles (700kms) out of its' 55L.

 

I'm guessing that you're not really using the performance, particularly as you're in New Zealand which has low speed limits.   Your fuel consumption translates to c. 36 mpg.

 

I seriously considered buying a new Golf R a couple of years ago to replace my then 10 year old GT Sport 170 TDI which has 210 bhp / 330 lbs-ft and can return 50 mpg + on a long trip

so long as I keep it under 100 mph.  I borrowed a DSG Golf R from my local, friendly VW dealership for an afternoon, drove it as I would my Mk5 and returned 25 mpg at which point I decided I'd keep my old 

Golf for another couple of years, at least. 

33 minutes ago, Schtum said:

 

I'm guessing that you're not really using the performance, particularly as you're in New Zealand which has low speed limits.   Your fuel consumption translates to c. 36 mpg.

 

I seriously considered buying a new Golf R a couple of years ago to replace my then 10 year old GT Sport 170 TDI which has 210 bhp / 330 lbs-ft and can return 50 mpg + on a long trip

so long as I keep it under 100 mph.  I borrowed a DSG Golf R from my local, friendly VW dealership for an afternoon, drove it as I would my Mk5 and returned 25 mpg at which point I decided I'd keep my old 

Golf for another couple of years, at least. 

Our speed limit is 100 kph which is 1800 rpm in the golf so even driving faster at 2000 rpm its still using less gas than the 6 speeds are doing the same speeds. My average consumption was a mix of CBD driving to work daily in rush hour traffic for the first year in Auckland plus regular weekend highway driving. Had two 1600 km one-way return trips to Queenstown which where awesome fun as well. Our roads are one lane roads where we have to pass slower cars which is why I got the golf. e.g a normal decent drive was 340km (212 miles) to the mountain to go skiing of which only a 3rd is motorway and would still return mid 6's and it would take me between 3.5 and 4 hours. I'm quite aggressive with passing as done this road a bit the last 30 years so know it well. Using the performance? Passing 3 cars at once the 7.5 Golf R is doing 175kph by the time you pass the front car or an articulated size large truck if at 3 bars distance on the ACC behind it, so its definitely quick enough. Radar detector is mandatory on those trips 😉 It's a very good long distance car for performance, refinement and comfort with the DCC and ACC, and the decent LED lights combination. Easy to do 6 hour type drives etc.

Unless you are tracking it or trying to achieve the sub 4.7 secs to 100kph from a standstill every time I cant see how you'd get it over 10L 100kms in normal daily driving. You cant boost it everywhere anyway city wise as 2 secs later you are noticeably speeding regardless of the speed limit. Otherwise its plenty quick comparatively just using the 400nm of torque which is why I like the Kodiaq's 500nm too for its size, and why both seem to be good on fuel IMO.

Edited 24 July, 20205 yr by snala

9 hours ago, snala said:

Yes but that is also a reflection in the tank size too not just a reflection of economy.

I had both of these cars cars too, the 2015 VRS TDI Octy only had a 50L tank where the 206kw Superb had 66L and where the VRS diesel could get 560 miles out of tank and the Superb would only do 450 miles.

Not sure how you are getting 800 miles out of 66L and petrol motor consistently unless you have completely flat roads and are not trying to maintain normal speeds? That's 20km/L and my car didn't even do that on roads coming back downhill from the mountains? The 7 speed now may help though as the Suburb was a 6 speed back then.

My 7.5 Golf R in comparison has better economy than the Suberb did with another 30hp but is smaller and 7 speed but I can only get 440 miles (700kms) out of its' 55L.

The 2016 petrol was a 1.4TSi manual 148bhp ACT so with cylinder deactivation on the mainly motorway commute gave upto 64mpg out of the big bus. Second I am a great driver like most F1 drivers and can squeeze huge mileages from any engine. Best over 27 miles in my 268kw Superb is 49.3mpg which you probably never managed in your lighter, less powerful, slower Golf R.

7 hours ago, ZacDaMan72 said:

Wrong. It’s not a GTI where it has the Soundaktor under the windshield cowl. Has a speaker in the rear just like the SQ7 TDI. 

 

 

SQ7 TDi RIP.

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

SQ7 TDi RIP.

Buyers that want diesel would probably just get an X5/X7 M50d unless completely infatuated with the four ringed badge though. If I was financially irresponsible I'd have one.

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

Best over 27 miles in my 268kw Superb is 49.3mpg which you probably never managed in your lighter, less powerful, slower Golf R.

Those sorts of statistics are utterly pointless to quote unless you’re the sort of great driver that needs to impress random people on forums. I’ve had just shy of 55mpg out of my 4wd 190 Kodiaq, but it was a one way trip with a serious tailwind, overall gentle downhill and completely unladen. So utterly unrepresentative of what the car is really capable of in normal driving. If I’d quoted the range the car was capable of at the end of that journey it would have looked amazing, and also been a lie:
 

The economy/range was not quite so impressive for the return trip when the brick aerodynamics became as big disadvantage as the tailwind became a monster headwind...

16 minutes ago, MrTrilby said:

Those sorts of statistics are utterly pointless to quote unless you’re the sort of great driver that needs to impress random people on forums. I’ve had just shy of 55mpg out of my 4wd 190 Kodiaq, but it was a one way trip with a serious tailwind, overall gentle downhill and completely unladen. So utterly unrepresentative of what the car is really capable of in normal driving. If I’d quoted the range the car was capable of at the end of that journey it would have looked amazing, and also been a lie:
 

The economy/range was not quite so impressive for the return trip when the brick aerodynamics became as big disadvantage as the tailwind became a monster headwind...

Like Zac said I'm happy for you.

12 hours ago, ZacDaMan72 said:

Wrong. It’s not a GTI where it has the Soundaktor under the windshield cowl. Has a speaker in the rear just like the SQ7 TDI.

 

It has a speaker... 

 

You mean it's all fur coat and no knickers, which was the point I was making.

13 minutes ago, Scot5 said:

 

It has a speaker... 

 

You mean it's all fur coat and no knickers, which was the point I was making.

But you were wrong in saying it’s got the Soundaktor under the windshield cowl. 

Either way a speaker up the arse sounds painful and explains the noise it makes. An extra 120bhp would make it more exciting. Mine really squats at the rear when you try hard enough.