diesel engines soon to permanently disappear in the Kodiaq RS, SQ 7 and SQ 8. will this be a plus for residuals on current diesels ?

The reason diesel’s are disappearing from manufacturers model ranges is because nobody wants polluting diesels anymore, including second hand so wouldn’t hold your breath looking for high residuals.

Nah, it's 'cos VW tarnished the image of all diesel engines considerably with their duplicity.

They are still significantly better for the planet, due to lower CO2 emissions.

1 minute ago, Wino said:

Nah, it's 'cos VW tarnished the image of all diesel engines considerably with their duplicity.

They are still significantly better for the planet, due to lower CO2 emissions.

That’s why tax was lower on diesels, some years ago.  But science has moved on quite a bit, so it’s the other emissions that are now more worrying - and diesels are particularly  poor on the particulates.

Unfortunately that seems to be the way it's going.

 

In Germany there is going to be am increase on car tax from next year targeting higher power and capacity diesels.

 

Previously you could get away with paying cheap tax on say a 3.0 TDI V6 but the likes of these are getting pushed into a higher bracket.

 

Then there's the whole diesel driving ban where diesels under Euro 5 (and later under Euro 6) will be banned from cities.

@DaveMiller Particulates were fixed with the advent of the DPF; NOx emissions are only really an issue for urban areas. Lots of people live and drive elsewhere.

I think they've just lost their appeal. Petrol has caught up so much in terms of power, torque and fuel economy.

 

Plus the upsides of quicker warm up and quieter and smoother running.

 

I know I'm not missing my diesels in the slightest!

I think actually, as well as VW's almighty deceit, it's just monumentally difficult and expensive to really meet the latest emissions specs; because they've been set by politicians not scientists or engineers. 

Edited 16 July, 20205 yr by Wino

On 16/07/2020 at 19:07, chrisluciofg said:

diesel engines soon to permanently disappear in the Kodiaq RS, SQ 7 and SQ 8. will this be a plus for residuals on current diesels ?

 

No it'll be a minus for residuals because less and less people want them.  I'm not saying diesel is any better or worse, all I'm saying is diesel is having a bad press and as a result, less people want them.

 

 

Customer preferences are changing, diesel is becoming less desirable, this the biggest influence on residuals.

I'm definitely noticing fewer diesels on the roads here. There's obviously still the old ones still driving around. But then 8/10 roughly of the new cars I see are petrol now.

With something big I still prefer diesel...   Maybe I'm in a minority??

18 minutes ago, skomaz said:

With something big I still prefer diesel...   Maybe I'm in a minority??

Yep, but who buys a diesel ŠKODA expecting good residuals 

1 hour ago, skomaz said:

With something big I still prefer diesel...   Maybe I'm in a minority??

Yes and no. Yes it's nice to have. But is it really necessary?

 

I've gone from a 1.9 twin turbo diesel with 240bhp and 490nm of torque.

 

We took the car for a holiday 3 weeks ago. 3 adults, the dog, boot full and 3 bikes on the bike rack.

 

The 1.4 petrol with "only" 122 bhp and 200nm was more than adequate! At no point was I wanting or needing more power. Even climbing steep hills and winding roads.

 

Yeah, I can't storm down the Autobahn at 250km/h+ anymore... but I'm passed all that now anyway.

All I miss in changing back to petrol is the mpg. A 150-mile motorway trip yesterday, which used to produce 60+ mpg in a 1.6 diesel Superb Greenline, produced 45 in the 1.4 petrol Kodiaq.   The sheer bulk of the Kodiaq probably accounts for about half the drop.

 

What I’ve gained is being able to dare use it.  Shops, friends, my part-time job and more are all a couple of miles from my home, meaning that on most journeys the diesel would not warm up enough to clear itself.  I used to avoid going (it’s too hilly to walk!)

Edited 19 July, 20205 yr by DaveMiller

13 hours ago, ZacDaMan72 said:

Yep, but who buys a diesel ŠKODA expecting good residuals 

 

Not me...   i keep my cars a long time...   mazda 22 years and counting, fabia was 11 years and the octy 13 years and counting

On 19/07/2020 at 10:45, ZacDaMan72 said:

Yep, but who buys a diesel ŠKODA expecting good residuals 

 

in NZ there's a fervent minority like you and I who say "it'll be my last Skoda if i can't get it in diesel", esp with the Hyundai Pallisade soon to launch

9 hours ago, chrisluciofg said:

in NZ there's a fervent minority like you and I who say "it'll be my last Skoda if i can't get it in diesel", esp with the Hyundai Pallisade soon to launch

Since when did I say the RS will be my last Skoda if I can't get it in diesel? I'm not planning on ordering another Skoda because of the cost cutting. And why should resale matter to you since you want to get 400,000km out of your car? 

The other problem is VED, the first 5 years is not good (vRS over £40k) and wont help resale.

Edited 21 July, 20205 yr by matrix2020

I have a 132 TSI Kodiaq and after driving the Kodiaq RS I really don't know what the fuss is! my 2.0 is smoother at power delivery and in terms of torque hardly any difference, especially for the price difference. the 2.0 TSI is the best option for any Skoda

320nm vs 500nm "hardly any difference" lol. What a joke.

Just a case of " I bought the best." 🙄

Peak torque and power figures are meaningless to me in the real world.

 

I've gone from a 240bhp 490nm twin turbo diesel to a 1.4 122bhp and 200nm petrol.

 

In all honesty the Octavia is a smoother drive, more responsive and just nicer to drive.

 

Yes it doesn't quite move as quick with the throttle floored, but it's just as quick if not quicker off the line (weight probably is the key here).

 

Gone is the loud growl of the diesel and loud tickover etc.

1 hour ago, ThreeSixty said:

Just a case of " I bought the best." 🙄

I’m not bagging the 2.0 TSI, I found it perfectly fine but come on, it’s a night and day difference going from that to the biturbo diesel. And while a diesel V6 would be smoother and quieter, it’s not like the diesel Kodiaqs are bloody tractors. 

3 minutes ago, ZacDaMan72 said:

I’m not bagging the 2.0 TSI, I found it perfectly fine but come on, it’s a night and day difference going from that to the biturbo diesel. And while a diesel V6 would be smoother and quieter, it’s not like the diesel Kodiaqs are bloody tractors. 

The last 4 words amused me. Kodiaq's are bloody tractors. And heavy ones at that. The fake piped in noise is worse in a diesel because as you approach 5,000rpm they sound like like they about to implode. Then there is the issue of extra expense adding the AdBlue. Let's face it diesels are designed to pull trailers behind HGV's and pull Caravans mostly which they are good at with maximum torque usually around 1,500rpm.