I'm not surprised that diesel sales are down, but I am surprised that diesel MHEV sales are so strong.

Not because I think there's anything wrong with them, I'm just not sure who's buying them.

(Source https://www.best-selling-cars.com/britain-uk/2019-full-year-britain-new-car-market-overview-and-analysis/)

They've gone from bugger all to slightly more bugger all? 32K against  2M without a battery (2019) is probably dealers shifting what they had left, that isn't totally a planet killer?

13 hours ago, NJRJ said:

They've gone from bugger all to slightly more bugger all? 32K against  2M without a battery (2019) is probably dealers shifting what they had left, that isn't totally a planet killer?

A 740% increase in sales of a niche vehicle caught my attention. I suspect the MHEV vehicle sales are just people buying diesels with improved stop-start technology.

Can’t see electric kicking off personally. Electric isn’t the future.

Plenty being Registered and going on the roads in Scotland. Councils, Utilities Companies, Police, Fleet, Taxi, Couriers, Fast Food Deliveries and just people driving them.

But then there are Government Incentives.

 

This week i have done 900 miles since Monday, 150 of those today and so far paid £2.06 & £9.31 to do a Rapid Charge because it suited to for where i was.

900 miles getting 45 mpg so 82 litres & 110 pence a litre would be £100 for liquid fuel.

 

It so happens i am not paying much to get an EV leased from Motability, but even those paying more might just be getting cheap electricity, or free electricity and then a nice wee saving from HMRC / Other Taxpayers.

There will be plenty EV's being bought by Motability the biggest Group Buyer in the UK.  They have advance payments pretty low and then 

the £62.25 a week you pay for a car is as you would pay for a petrol or diesel but you are not needing to buy that.

 

 

 

Edited 15 August, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

3 hours ago, BigJase88 said:

Can’t see electric kicking off personally. Electric isn’t the future.

I can see it taking off in a big way from this point forward.

Pretty much all manufacturers are into it. Hybrids been going long enough now for any generic problems to have been exposed. Running costs are low and reliability is pretty good.  (The Toyota Prius has a pretty good reputation, and even quite old examples are still reliable.)

The "milk-float" perception is disappearing fast, as the 100% torque from 0RPM makes electric vehicles very quick off the mark, which was a reservation I had. I'm not sure what the leasing costs are like, but I'd expect residuals to be fairly good on a car within warranty.

I think the final hurdle will be charge times. If you need to make a long journey, you need to factor in finding somewhere to charge your car, and the time it takes to charge.

However there seem to be more charge stations springing up all the time, and EV ranges are improving.

If the government hikes the tax on petrol and diesel vehicles, and more and more pollution charges are introduced in cities, I can see EVs taking off in a big way.

It was the same story with diesels. They had a bad rep, then people found reasons to buy them and they became popular. (Then the government & EU intervened and now diesels are falling in popularity.)

 

I don't much care for EVs, but then I can't imagine buying an SUV either, and look how popular they are.

Edited 15 August, 20205 yr by EnterName

I hope EV's are going to be driven better than the Toyota Prius I saw on the M1 yesterday near J21 using the hardshoulder to overtake 3 lanes of busy traffic (no smart motorway section here) during rush hour in the evening. The most dangerous stunt I have witnessed in many years and would have been a driving ban if they had a licence to lose in the first place.

It’s all a nonsense.

 

electricity kills polar bears too.

 

how do you make electricity? Nuclear? Cause thats enviromentally friendly.... not.

3 minutes ago, BigJase88 said:

It’s all a nonsense.

 

electricity kills polar bears too.

 

how do you make electricity? Nuclear? Cause thats enviromentally friendly.... not.

Russians and Japanese remember how clean nuclear power stations can be when it goes wrong. At least the sun doesn't cause cancer so no problem with having a roof stuffed with photo-electro panels.

7 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Russians and Japanese remember how clean nuclear power stations can be when it goes wrong. At least the sun doesn't cause cancer so no problem with having a roof stuffed with photo-electro panels.

Local power station to me. Built 1950’s, generated power until early 2000’s, the clean up will take over 100 years. They have plans going to 2100+ (sounds environmentally friendly)

 

p.s i just bought a turbo diesel because the new turbo petrols they are pushing (VAG’s 1.5 tsi is a donkey)

 

who are these people buying ev’s? 208’s and corsa’s with 30k list. Must have rocks in their heads.

Edited 15 August, 20205 yr by BigJase88

7 minutes ago, BigJase88 said:

Local power station to me. Built 1950’s, generated power until early 2000’s, the clean up will take over 100 years. They have plans going to 2100+ (sounds environmentally friendly)

 

p.s i just bought a turbo diesel because the new turbo petrols they are pushing (VAG’s 1.5 tsi is a donkey)

 

who are these people buying ev’s? 208’s and corsa’s with 30k list. Must have rocks in their heads.

They lease or rent them (PCP) and imagine the clean up cost from these redundant power stations. The mind boggles. Better to drill for oil at least it was made from rotting vegetation.

42 minutes ago, BigJase88 said:

(VAG’s 1.5 tsi is a donkey)

 

MORE than happy with mine.

7 minutes ago, mandp said:

MORE than happy with mine.

I had issue’s from new.

 

kangarooing from cold and even when warm at low speeds. Certainly not uncommon and a well documented issue with the 1.5 miller cycle engine. Couldn’t stand it any longer so chopped in the car as soon as was financially viable. Did 13k miles of kangarooing on premium unleaded which made no difference.

 

poor engine.

1 minute ago, BigJase88 said:

I had issue’s from new.

 

kangarooing from cold and even when warm at low speeds. Certainly not uncommon and a well documented issue with the 1.5 miller cycle engine. Couldn’t stand it any longer so chopped in the car as soon as was financially viable. Did 13k miles of kangarooing on premium unleaded which made no difference.

 

poor engine.

Agree the 1.4TSi 150PS engine in my 2016 was better than the 1.5TSi 150PS engine in the wife's Karoq. I tried to offload it last October and she made me buy it back just to annoy me even more.

10 hours ago, BigJase88 said:

I had issue’s from new.

 

kangarooing from cold and even when warm at low speeds. Certainly not uncommon and a well documented issue with the 1.5 miller cycle engine. Couldn’t stand it any longer so chopped in the car as soon as was financially viable. Did 13k miles of kangarooing on premium unleaded which made no difference.

 

poor engine.

Had mine for just over a year now.

Done just under 4000 miles and being as there are no motorways or even duel carriageways around here, most of those miles at `lower` speeds

I've read about this `Kangerooing` business but never experienced it myself.

I've found the engine to be fabulous...it pulls really well even in `ECO` mode. Once or twice I've even wondered if, at the factory, they've put in a bigger engine by mistake!

I'm looking to `downsize` for my next car and if I could find one with this engine I'd go for it without a second thought.

 

`Go figure`, as they say!

3 minutes ago, mandp said:

Had mine for just over a year now.

Done just under 4000 miles and being as there are no motorways or even duel carriageways around here, most of those miles at `lower` speeds

I've read about this `Kangerooing` business but never experienced it myself.

I've found the engine to be fabulous...it pulls really well even in `ECO` mode. Once or twice I've even wondered if, at the factory, they've put in a bigger engine by mistake!

I'm looking to `downsize` for my next car and if I could find one with this engine I'd go for it without a second thought.

 

`Go figure`, as they say!

The Kamiq with the 1.5TSi and DSG would feel very lively after the size and weight of the Superb.

32 minutes ago, mandp said:

Had mine for just over a year now.

Done just under 4000 miles and being as there are no motorways or even duel carriageways around here, most of those miles at `lower` speeds

I've read about this `Kangerooing` business but never experienced it myself.

I've found the engine to be fabulous...it pulls really well even in `ECO` mode. Once or twice I've even wondered if, at the factory, they've put in a bigger engine by mistake!

I'm looking to `downsize` for my next car and if I could find one with this engine I'd go for it without a second thought.

 

`Go figure`, as they say!

You must of been lucky and got one without issues. My experience on the other hand was one of frustration.

 

i would still proceed with caution when looking for another 1.5 TSI you may find you end up with a joey.

@BigJase88

There are no plans to allow new Nuclear in Scotland.

What was there and the remaining stuff that also needs cleared up was experimental and was in the main about Nuclear for the Subs.

The stuff in the North was coming for storage near you, and then was going to China, now it flies out to the USA.

Rosyth has so much storage of Nuclear and Subs that needs dealt with as well.

Then there are the mines to clean up, and the open cast to deal with at great expense.

 

The Oil & Gas coming out of the ground is just wasted using it to run small vehicles and for heating homes and workplaces.

It takes a lot of Oil & Gas just making Electricity to produce Oil / Petroleum products.

Grangemouth is importing the gas needed to run the refinery from the USA since they are not being allowed to 'frack' for what they require.

 

?

Do you not see those big white wind turbines as you drive about.

Turning and making electricity that can not be stored or not generating but the owners still get paid for not generating.

Just as the last Coal Generators are paid not to, and the Gas and renewables are paid not to.

The Diesel Farms are on stand by in England and paid to be ready to make electricity

In Scotland there is the Hydro power generation ready to go at a moments notice if power is requied.

http://gridwatch.co.uk

The Electricity is coming into the UK / England right now from Continental Europe while Producers in the UK are paid to not produce electricity.

 

Re EV prices,

purchase / lease / on tick (rented)

The RRP's showing of over £30,000 after the Government grant vehicles are sitting to be had at £27,000 or less on the never never.

Save £10.000 on Fueling and other expenses over 3 years of less service and maintenance, fuel and parking / congestion charges and it is easy to see who the fools might be.

 

I was charging earlier and let a Gent get his Jag charged as i was not in a hurry and heading off on my bike for a while as the car charged.

(Phone app tells me when charging done, or can phone me if another driver wants to checks how long you will be.)

He had come to Scotland on Holiday, paid £20 for his card to free charge in Scotland.

 

He has done 10,000 in his EV which is his first and it costs him £600 a month less to run than his diesel Jag did.

Free workplace charging in England so o fuel bought and the BIK with a EV.

 

It's all about the motion and not paying for the locomotion juice.

No Turbo lag, no hesitation of the gearbox etc etc. 

Edited 16 August, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

The main use from the nuclear power station near to me was the Tritium that they sold to the yanks. The electricity output was just a bonus. It was a tritium plant.

21 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

@BigJase88

There are no plans to allow new Nuclear in Scotland.

What was there and the remaining stuff that also needs cleared up was experimental and was in the main about Nuclear for the Subs.

The stuff in the North was coming for storage near you, and then was going to China, now it flies out to the USA.

Rosyth has so much storage of Nuclear and Subs that needs dealt with as well.

Then there are the mines to clean up, and the open cast to deal with at great expense.

 

The Oil & Gas coming out of the ground is just wasted using it to run small vehicles and for heating homes and workplaces.

It takes a lot of Oil & Gas just making Electricity to produce Oil / Petroleum products.

Grangemouth is importing the gas needed to run the refinery from the USA since they are not being allowed to 'frack' for what they require.

 

?

Do you not see those big white wind turbines as you drive about.

Turning and making electricity that can not be stored or not generating but the owners still get paid for not generating.

Just as the last Coal Generators are paid not to, and the Gas and renewables are paid not to.

The Diesel Farms are on stand by in England and paid to be ready to make electricity

In Scotland there is the Hydro power generation ready to go at a moments notice if power is requied.

http://gridwatch.co.uk

The Electricity is coming into the UK / England right now from Continental Europe while Producers in the UK are paid to not produce electricity.

 

 

That gridwatch link is very interesting, thanks for sharing that. 👍

 

 

We're on 2nd or 3rd gen wind turbines now which are "allegedly" much more efficient than the old ones and much cheaper. Much of the cost of wind power early on which gave it bad rep was payment for development. It's pretty effective now although does chop up lots of birds.

 

Electric doesn't appear to me though I have to say, but then I've never driven one, maybe I'd be a convert if I had a go. Still the new house will have a charging point built into the garage. It wasn't that expensive to put in and seem logical to do a bit of future proofing.

@Aspman as long as the cabling is there i would hold off 'buying a charge point',  they are 'Free Gratis' from all the tax you pay if you have an EV later on.

Maybe next time the BM or MINI is in at the dealer give an EV a try.

 

The 335d is in for the recall action on it next week, it has sprung a leak.

 

 

 

 

 

Dealers with stock they are desperate to shift.

Edited 18 August, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Clive Sinclair and his C5 was not so stupid after all!

The more people who see drag races like this, the more popular electric will become.