What do you think about Eibach springs? This is a Kodiak model, but I have, if I understand correctly, almost the same engines (the same weight and load on the front suspension), right?

Here is this model: F31-79-013-05-FA

By reference to aftermarket spring catalogues you can work out some OEM part numbers for the Octavia MK3 2.0TDI 4x4 front springs. These include standard ride height front springs, reduced ride height front springs, and increased ride height front springs.

 

Kilen spring catalogue

https://www.kilensprings.com/springs-catalouges/onlinecatalogue.asp

 

KYB spring catalogue

https://kyb-europe.com/catalogue/

 

gknautomotive spring catalogue

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/home?sessionArticleCountry=GB&sessionTargetCountry=GB

 

Standard ride height front springs for Octavia MK3 2.0TDI 4x4

5Q0411105GL L06

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/5q0411105gl?search=OEN+5Q0411105GL

5Q0411105GM L07

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/5q0411105gm?search=OEN+5Q0411105GM

5Q0411105GN L08

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/5q0411105gn?search=OEN+5Q0411105GN

(1)	5Q0 411 105 GL	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	blue brown	2	PR-L06
(1)	5Q0 411 105 GM	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	blue grey	2	PR-L07
(1)	5Q0 411 105 GN	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	green white	2	PR-L08

 

Reduced ride height front springs for Octavia MK3 2.0TDI 4x4

5Q0411105HE L18

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/5q0411105he?search=OEN+5Q0411105HE

5Q0411105HF L19

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/5q0411105hf?search=OEN+5Q0411105HF

(1)	5Q0 411 105 HE	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	brown yellow	2	PR-L18
(1)	5Q0 411 105 HF	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	brown orange	2	PR-L19

 

Increased ride height front springs for Octavia MK3 2.0TDI 4x4

5Q0411105HR L30

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/5q0411105hr?search=OEN+5Q0411105HR

5Q0411105HS L31

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/5q0411105hs?search=OEN+5Q0411105HS

(1)	5Q0 411 105 HR	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	grey violet	2	PR-L30
(1)	5Q0 411 105 HS	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	grey blue	2	PR-L31

 

5Q0411105KM, 5Q0411105KN, and 5Q0411105KP might not be related to 5Q0411105HS. Even if they increased the ride height, you would have to find matching rear springs so that the car was level. However, the suspension and drivetrain isn't designed for a higher ride height than the Scout's ride height.

 

It might be best to measure the current unladen ride height to determine if old springs and shock absorbers (or incorrect springs and shock absorbers) are causing the car to sag.

 

It's unlikely that aftermarket shock absorbers would closely match the Scout's OEM shock absorbers, because the aftermarket is geared to standard ride height cars. If someone has already fitted aftermarket shock absorbers that might cause the car to have a lower ride height.

 

To increase the ride height of a Scout, I would first look at whether the car is riding at it's correct ride height and not sagging, and then look at fitting oversize 215/65R16 tyres on 6Jx16 ET43 rims from the Karoq. Compared to 215/60R16 tyres, 215/65R16 tyres will increase the gearing by 3.2%. Compared to 225/50R17 tyres, 215/65R16 tyres will increase the gearing by 4.4%. Or maybe 225/55R17 on the standard 7Jx17 ET45 rims. 225/55/R17 will raise the gearing by 3.4% compared to 225/50R17.

 

Changing 225/50R17 to 225/55R17 will raise the car by 11.25mm. Changing 225/50R17 to 215/65R16 will raise the car by 14.55mm.

 

Edited 28 June, 20223 yr by Carlston

Dear Carlston! If everything was so simple, I probably would not have found this forum and such an excellent specialist as you.
This is what my car looks like now.
Front suspension: 5Q0 413 031 FS and 5Q0 411 105 HS.
Rear suspension: 5E0 513 029 E and 5E0 511 115 AN.
Wheels 235/50/18 (7.5/18/46).
And with all these data, I cannot get the clearance of 171 mm declared for the Scout, only 163 mm!

How to solve this problem - I don't know.

1 hour ago, Admiral777 said:

Dear Carlston! If everything was so simple, I probably would not have found this forum and such an excellent specialist as you.
This is what my car looks like now.
Front suspension: 5Q0 413 031 FS and 5Q0 411 105 HS.
Rear suspension: 5E0 513 029 E and 5E0 511 115 AN.
Wheels 235/50/18 (7.5/18/46).
And with all these data, I cannot get the clearance of 171 mm declared for the Scout, only 163 mm!

How to solve this problem - I don't know.

 

5Q0413031FS front shock absorber G10

(8)

5Q0 413 031 FS

gas shock absorber

54,6MM

2

PR-G10

 

1K0412303H 90mm rubber stop for shock absorber G10

3

1K0 412 303 H

rubber stop for shock absorber

90MM

2

PR-G10

 

Ride height is measured from the centre of the wheel to the bottom of the wheelarch, when the car is unladen. This measurement allows you to compare with Skoda's official measurements, and see whether the unladen ride height is within specification, eg. whether the springs/shock absorbers are sagging.  

 

Edited 28 June, 20223 yr by Carlston

And for the rear suspension?

There is another moment. There is a Scout A5 (FL) next to me in the parking lot, which, by all measurements, is ~ 2-2.2 cm higher. Maybe I should change the shock absorbers / springs to those that are on the Scout A5?

The facelift Scout should have the same ride height as the pre-facelift Scout.

 

Maybe try fitting new springs and/or shock absorbers.

 

This chart may help you with rear springs, as aftermarket Octavia MK2 Scout rear springs are often cheaper than the equivalent aftermarket Octavia MK3 Scout rear springs. 

 

Octavia MK2 Scout rear springs that are equivalent to Octavia MK3 Scout rear springs

1K0511115CR is the same as 5Q0511115AL (Wire Diameter 12.5mm, Length 378-380mm, Outer Diameter 114-115mm, Weight 2.4-2.45kg)

1K0511115CS is the same as 5Q0511115AM (Wire Diameter 12.75mm, Length 382-383mm, Outer Diameter 117mm, Weight 2.6kg)

1K0511115CT is the same as 5Q0511115AN (Wire Diameter 13mm, Length 382-383mm, Outer Diameter 117-118mm, Weight 2.75-2.8kg)

 

Kilen 65073 and Lesjofors 4295087 are sold to replace both 1K0511115CS and 5Q0511115AM rear springs. Hence, why these Octavia MK2 Scout and Octavia MK3 Scout rear springs are interchangeable.

 

Kilen 65073 and Lesjofors 4295087 1K0511115CS 5Q0511115AM

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1k0511115cs?search=OEN+1K0511115CS&supplier[0]=253&supplier[1]=246

 

Octavia MK3 Scout 5Q0411105HS front springs

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/eibach/18112496

 

Octavia MK2 Scout 1K0511115CT rear springs (equivalent to Octavia MK3 Scout rear springs 5Q0511115AN)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/eibach/13828886

 

If you want new Scout shock absorbers, it might be best getting OEM Skoda ones as aftermarket might not be a good match to the original shock absorbers. This is because aftermarket shock absorbers are geared to the standard ride height market, so aftermarket increased ride height shock absorbers will often just be standard ride height shock absorbers. You can tell by looking at the huge number of OEM part numbers that the aftermarket shock absorber is being sold to replace.

 

Edited 28 June, 20223 yr by Carlston

And if I can find new OEM shocks for the Scout A5, will they fit (can I install) my Scout A7? Are they interchangeable?

And if so, what would you recommend?

18 minutes ago, Admiral777 said:

And if I can find new OEM shocks for the Scout A5, will they fit (can I install) my Scout A7? Are they interchangeable?

And if so, what would you recommend?

 

I would let the Skoda parts department supply the correct part based on the car's VIN number. Sometimes the parts are updated with a new OEM part number. It depends what their VAG system shows.

Tell me, please, if you have such information, the length of the original spring 1К0411105DК. On the Autodoc website, the length of analogues varies from 333 mm to 358 mm.

4 hours ago, Admiral777 said:

Tell me, please, if you have such information, the length of the original spring 1К0411105DК. On the Autodoc website, the length of analogues varies from 333 mm to 358 mm.

 

You typed: 1К0411105DК

I think you mean: 1K0411105DK

 

The K's in your OEM part number aren't actually K's as in the English alphabet.

 

Are you using a foreign keyboard where the K isn't actually a K, but just looks like a K?

 

1K0411105DK is an Octavia MK2 front spring which has 5.7 coil turns, whereas the 5Q0411105HS is an Octavia MK3 front spring and only has 4.8 coil turns. The Octavia MK2's front spring will be much softer than the Octavia MK3's front spring because of these extra coil turns, ie. 18.75% more coil turns, if everything else about the springs were identical (there are other differences). I don't know if they are physically interchangeable.

 

Octavia MK3 front spring 5Q0411105HS (4.8 coil turns)

 

Octavia MK2 front spring 1K0411105DK (5.7 coil turns)

 

Octavia MK2 1K0411105DM 1K0411105DN front spring (5.3 coil turns)

 

gknautomotive lists 1K0411105DM and 1K0411105DN for the Octavia MK2 Scout 4x4 front springs

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/cars/part/1/86454/detail?targetId=19821&typeNumber=19821&groups=188#@brc/brands:Car;targetType:cars/assem:SKODA%20OCTAVIA%20II%20Combi%20(1Z5)%202.0%20TDI%204x4;targetType:cars;targetId:19821;typeNumber:19821/lnkparts:Coil%20Springs;targetType:cars;assemblyGroupId:100113;targetId:19821;typeNumber:19821;page:0;brands:1;groups:188;c100:VA%2CHA/assignedPartDetail:86454;targetType:cars;brandId:1;articleNo:86454;targetId:19821;typeNumber:19821;groups:188

 

1K0411105DK 1K0411105DL 1K0411105DM 1K0411105DN

(1)	1K0 411 105 DK	coil spring 3 paint marks	orange	2	PR-L60
(1)	1K0 411 105 DL	coil spring 4 colour strokes	orange	2	PR-L61
(1)	1K0 411 105 DM	coil spring 2 paint marks	violet	2	PR-L66
(1)	1K0 411 105 DN	coil spring 3 paint marks 1 paint mark also marked with: 3 paint marks	pink brown violet	2	PR-L67

https://skoda.7zap.com/en/cz/octavia/oct/2012-663/4/411-411012/

 

1K0411105DN should give a similar stiffness to 5Q0411105HS, so a better choice than 1K0411105DK if it will physically fit. However, it would raise the ride height by about 26mm and that's not 26mm more than an old sagging suspension but 26mm more than a new full height suspension. Then it wouldn't match the rear ride height. Many owners want to overcompensate when their suspension is sagging when all they need is to bring their suspension back into new condition, ie. the ride height it had when it left the factory.

 

Edited 28 June, 20223 yr by Carlston

The 5Q0411105DR front springs from the Karoq and Kodiaq might be an option for the Octavia MK3 Scout to replace the 5Q0411105HS.

 

This might raise the front ride height by about 10mm. Although the 5Q0411105DR only has an uncompressed length 3mm more than the 5Q0411105HS spring, it has the same number of coil turns, and the extra 0.5mm wire thickness will mean that it's stiffer and will therefore compress less. The result should be an increase in unladen front ride height of about 10mm.

 

Because the 5Q0411105DR front spring is about 10% stiffer than the 5Q0411105HS front spring, the car's front ride height should be more than 10mm when the car is loaded, and considerably more clearance when going over bumps because the 10% stiffer front springs will compress less. 

 

Front springs 5Q0411105DR (Length 333mm, Coil turns 4.8, Wire thickness 13.5mm) (from Karoq and Kodiaq)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/eibach/18259219

 

Front springs 5Q0411105HS (Length 330mm, Coil turns 4.8, Wire thickness 13.0mm) (from Octavia MK3 Scout)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/eibach/18112496

 

Edited 29 June, 20223 yr by Carlston

1К0411105ДН is stiffer than 1К0411105ДК despite being shorter and lighter?

Will this one https://www.autodoc.co.uk/eibach/17875998 fit?

21 minutes ago, Admiral777 said:

1К0411105ДН is stiffer than 1К0411105ДК despite being shorter and lighter?

 

1K0411105DM/1K0411105DN is a heavier duty spring than 1K0411105DK/1K0411105DL.

 

Although 1K0411105DK/1K0411105DL is 6mm longer in the uncompressed state, 1K0411105DM/1K0411105DN has less coil turns and a 0.25mm thicker wire diameter. This results in the 1K0411105DM/1K0411105DN being stiffer than the 1K0411105DK/1K0411105DL.

 

1K0411105DK/1K0411105DL is heavier than 1K0411105DM/1K0411105DN not because it is stiffer but because it has more coil turns, which all things being equal makes it softer.

 

However, 1K0411105DM/1K0411105DN has about the same stiffness as 5Q0411105HS, but because it increases the unladen front ride height by about 26mm...it's not a good choice. Going higher needs a stiffer spring to control the body roll of the car's now higher centre of gravity. For this reason, I think you would be better considering the 5Q0411105DR from the Karoq/Kodiaq. Plus I am not sure the Octavia MK2 front springs will physically fit the Octavia MK3.

 

1K0411105DK 1K0411105DL (Length 358mm, Coil turns 5.7, Wire diameter 13.25mm, Weight 2.45kg)

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/1/86360/detail?query=1K0411105DK&numberType=1&oe=1K0411105DK&groups=188#@brc/search:Search%20by%20any%20number%201K0411105DK;query:1K0411105DK;page:0/detail:86360;brandId:1;articleNo:86360;query:1K0411105DK;numberType:1;oe:1K0411105DK;groups:188

 

1K0411105DM 1K0411105DN Length 352mm, Coil turns 5.3, Wire diameter 13.5mm, Weight 2.35kg)

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/cars/part/1/86454/detail?targetId=19821&typeNumber=19821&groups=188#@brc/brands:Car;targetType:cars/assem:SKODA%20OCTAVIA%20II%20Combi%20(1Z5)%202.0%20TDI%204x4;targetType:cars;targetId:19821;typeNumber:19821/lnkparts:Coil%20Springs;targetType:cars;assemblyGroupId:100113;targetId:19821;typeNumber:19821;page:0;brands:1;groups:188;c100:VA%2CHA/assignedPartDetail:86454;targetType:cars;brandId:1;articleNo:86454;targetId:19821;typeNumber:19821;groups:188

 

Edited 29 June, 20223 yr by Carlston

17 minutes ago, Admiral777 said:

Will this one https://www.autodoc.co.uk/eibach/17875998 fit?

 

That's a 5Q0411105HR front spring which is one weight range below the the standard 5Q0411105HS.

 

Although the 340mm uncompressed length sounds promising, these measurement are often only a rough guide.

 

Because it is one weight range below the 5Q0411105HS, it will have the same unladen front ride height. However, when you add weight to the car the in use ride height will be less.

 

5Q0411105HR and 5Q0411105HS are very close. For example, you might use the HR version in a manual gearbox car and the slightly stiffer HS version in an automatic/DSG gearbox car. 

 

Octavia MK3 Scout front springs

(1)	5Q0 411 105 HR	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	grey violet	2	PR-L30
(1)	5Q0 411 105 HS	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	grey blue	2	PR-L31

https://skoda.7zap.com/en/cz/octavia/oct/2016-753/4/411-411030/

 

Edited 29 June, 20223 yr by Carlston

2 hours ago, Carlston said:

Кроме того, я не уверен, что передние пружины Octavia MK2 физически подойдут к Octavia MK3.

Can you explain why?

On 05.04.2021 at 22:13, Carlston said:

Группа VW может скрывать тот факт, что в некоторых из их новых автомобилей используются пружины от их старых автомобилей, т.е. использование более одного номера детали OEM для одной и той же пружины.

 

Когда автомобили стареют, сменные пружины послепродажного обслуживания, как правило, становятся дешевле. Производители автомобилей зарабатывают много денег, продавая пружины, часто взимая от 60 до 120 фунтов стерлингов всего за одну пружину. Поэтому в интересах автопроизводителя скрыть тот факт, что некоторые пружины, используемые в новых моделях, на самом деле взяты из более старых моделей... как в приведенных выше примерах.

 

About the Kodiaq suspension. Maybe this: https://www.autodoc.co.uk/eibach/12831954?search=EIBACH Coil Spring (F31-79-013-05-FA) 

Or is that overkill?))

58 minutes ago, Admiral777 said:

About the Kodiaq suspension. Maybe this: https://www.autodoc.co.uk/eibach/12831954?search=EIBACH Coil Spring (F31-79-013-05-FA) 

Or is that overkill?))

 

That might work.

 

It's a very heavy spring. Probably at least 3.2kg.

 

Because of the 6 coil turns instead of 4.8 coil turns, it might last longer between breakages. However, if you're not having a problem with broken springs I would go for something lighter. Perhaps 5Q0411105DR that I mentioned earlier. I would estimate that they would both raise the front unladen ride height by about 10mm compared to the standard Scout front springs.

 

I don't know if these oversize front springs would fit the Octavia MK3 Scout, and they are expensive springs.

 

Edited 29 June, 20223 yr by Carlston

2 hours ago, Admiral777 said:

Can you explain why?

 

I am not saying Octavia MK2 front springs won't physically fit the Octavia MK3, it's just that I haven't seen any evidence. They might physically be interchangeable. The Octavia MK2 is based on the Golf MK5 chassis, whereas the Octavia MK3 is based on the Golf MK7 chassis. The ends of the springs might be shaped differently. It's your risk if you try. Maybe purchase just one spring to try the fit to reduce the financial risk if it doesn't fit.

 

You need to find longer rear springs to match the approximately 10mm to 26mm increase in front ride height, depending which front springs you fit.

 

There's no point fitting longer front springs, if you can't find suitable matching rear springs.

 

Edited 29 June, 20223 yr by Carlston

7 часов назад, Карлстон сказал:

Вам необходимо найти более длинную заднюю пружину, чтобы подобрать размер дорожного просвета спереди примерно на 10–26 мм, в зависимости от того, какие передние пружины вы устанавливаете.

Думал поставить либо эти 1K0551115CT либо эти 5E0511115AN.

What do you think? Which will level the car even when raised by 26 mm?

Or maybe this 1K0551115CS?