I wouldn't say I drove like a granny Sensibly yes, granny, no!

Although the majority of those miles were bombing up and down the A55 to work and back, so that's not particularly heavy work for any tyre...

It will be interesting to see how the Sport contact 2 tyres hold up though. Even just pottering around in the new car, it is obvious they are a little grippier on the country lanes, than the Michelins...

Cheers

Andy

Just to add to whats been said. the fabia does benefit more from stiff-sidewalled tyres...

so the Eagle GSD 3s are a bit too soft, as are the Toyo S's and the kumho ku31s ive had.

Agreed on that Colin - I love the grip of the GSD3s but when they're worn, I won't be getting them again as the sidewalls are too soft to inspire confidence.

Shame as they look good, have great 'in the wet' behaviour and seem to have good grip.

Which ones would you go for now?

Agreed on that Colin - I love the grip of the GSD3s but when they're worn' date=' I won't be getting them again as the sidewalls are too soft to inspire confidence.

Shame as they look good, have great 'in the wet' behaviour and seem to have good grip.

Which ones would you go for now?[/quote']

Pzero neros on the front.... awesome tyres

Will they behave themselves with the GY GSD3s on the rear? Reason I'm asking is coz I want the SCII's strong sidewall feature combined with the wet-grip of the GY GSD3s - Suppose I'll have to wear the fronts out a bit first, gotta save up for a CC phase 2/3

Recently got P Zero Neros on the fronts to replace teh stock SCIIs. Totally transformed the car, less wallow and better steering feel especially when cornering hard. Stiffer sidewall than the contis pwns. The grip from these suckers is amazing... I didn't have any complaints about the grip on the SCIIs, just the softness, but the Neros blow them away, both in wet and dry, in terms of traction and cornering grip I'm on to a whole new level of confidence with these tyres.

I had been planning, initially front strut-brace and then possibly rear ARB mods, but now I'm not going to bother with either as with these tyres on the front I'm much happier with the cars handling.

Only drawback is I'm not sure how long they are gonna last... Conti's lasted 9000 miles on front till 3mm (forget the UK's silly 1.6mm legal limit)... but I'm not sure if the Neros will last that long, we'll see...

@ctr2fabvrs - yeah 1.6mm is crazy in the wet, and it's really the absolute limit before you get a rather high chance of blowouts at speed :eek:

Will slap those P Zero Neros on my list then

I've been evangelising about the Neros for ages, seems people are starting to listen

They really are an excellent tyre, even when there is no tread left Last about the same as the SC2s

Hi

How are the rim protectors on the P Zeros? I am looking at replacing all four tyres this month and have been pleased with the SCII from a grip and wear point of view. The rim protector is also pretty chunky, which being on a learner car may come in handy if I have a "just in case" moment.

The only aspect of the SCII I have not liked is tyre noise. How does tyre noise compare going from SCII to P Zero?

Lastly, dont forget to factor in that new tyre feeling. When your old tyres are about to be changed, the sidewalls have had a tough time, so even fitting a new set of the same will make a fair bit of difference.

Chris

Hi

How are the rim protectors on the P Zeros?

Non existent! 3 kerbed alloys since fitting my Neros! Just my bad driving.....

Non existent! 3 kerbed alloys since fitting my Neros! Just my bad driving.....

That the P Zeros off the shortlisth then. They were looking favourite. Anybody know what the rim protectors are like on Toyo T1 R and Uniroyal Rainsport? Driving school car, so really mush have a bit of protection.

Chris

Talking about tires I have 2 New Contisportcontacts 205/55 R 16 On new wheels That i am going to put on ebay seeing as i use this forum i thought id give anybody a chance to make me an offer .I live in St.helens Merseyside:thumbup:

@Chris GB - Personally the SC IIs I reckon won't be the worst choice for what you're after.

The GSD3s are too soft at the front, grip is great but as the car collapses the sidewall of the tyre during fast cornering it destabilises the whole car & had my ESP working overtime. They'd be great on the back of the car, and also on a lighter car (possibly also on the Octy as it doesn't have as much weight 'over' the front wheels due to having a longer wheelbase).

Not got any kerbing on mine but that's potentially cause I've been lucky/not had learning drivers in the car

@Chris GB - Personally the SC IIs I reckon won't be the worst choice for what you're after.

The GSD3s are too soft at the front' date=' grip is great but as the car collapses the sidewall of the tyre during fast cornering it destabilises the whole car & had my ESP working overtime. They'd be great on the back of the car, and also on a lighter car (possibly also on the Octy as it doesn't have as much weight 'over' the front wheels due to having a longer wheelbase).

Not got any kerbing on mine but that's potentially cause I've been lucky/not had learning drivers in the car [/quote']

Hi WW

I like the SCIIs but they are very noisy tyres. I have tried a VRS on Toyos when I was checking them out and it was very much quieter. I would not go for the Goodyears anyway, but wondered about rimp protection on the Uniroyals and Toyos.

Chris

Dunlop SP9090 or 9000s are pretty good.

Dunlop SP9090 or 9000s are pretty good.

I can agree partially on that , the 9000s are grippy but my VRS pulled to left straight after having them fitted never pulled over before on Michelins , and having just put them on the back today whilst putting a pair of Toyos on the front to go to the Nring , i found one of the Dunlops to be slightly mishapen , did balance up ok though , no pull on the way home on the Toyos either . also the 2 original 33k miles Michelins on the back which i'm taking to the Nring as spares still have 5mm tread and when checked on the balance machine did not require rebalancing after that mileage . Michelin=Quality

Am I the only person to get though a set of SportConti II's in 6-7k miles? :(

I blame the long fast windy county lanes i live down (biker heaven according to biker sites) and a ex girlfriend who had a heavy right foot and like to use the 'push to play button'.

15k miles in now since January and im on my 3rd set, just tryed some Goodyear Eagle F1's, taking it much more steady now, but when i push it i can get a good 5-10mph faster around a corner i use as a bence mark than with the SportConti IIs. Alot less tyre squeel too. I find the backs (which are still running original SportConti II's) start to let go now before the fronts.

I state again only on one particular corner on the B4235? running from Chepstow to Usk.

Anyone who knows that road will know when you push it, its the type of road to destroy your tryes, but do damn fun.

SC IIs did not cope with me going fast around a bend. You can shred tyres v quickly if you turn off the ASR/ESP and spin the rubber onto the road, goes for any tyres that though. SCIIs were much more predictable when chucking it round a corner fast.

The grip of the GYs is much better in the wet though and in a straight line. For cornering the sidewalls of the SCIIs inspire confidence, the GYs scared the **** out of me (in the dry) when I went round the same bend at what I thought was a high but perfectly safe speed.

There is no such thing as the perfect tyre though, and as such everyone will end up with their own preference (IMHO of course). Having a remap will mean you will need more grippy tyres to cope with the extra grunt. Similarly your driving style has a massive impact.

Just ordered some P-zero robert de niro's. Had a big *** buldge on my front tyre that I hadnt notcied and have had to drive around on the spare this weekend, due to no one stocking the standard size. They better be good or I will be hunting people down.

I'll send you my address if you are that unhappy :haha:

I'll send you my address if you are that unhappy :haha:

Havent got them yet, so no need. although you can pm it if you like in preperation

Hi to all

Well by a process of elimination and previous experience, it has come down to the Toyo T1-Rs A set of four to be fitted next week. So how did I get there?

Well the Conti SCII have been exemplary, good grip wet or dry, good progressive breakaway wet or dry, stable (just a little bit of tugging at the wheel now they are down to just under 3mm on the shoulders and 3mm on the main tread), good wear rate (covered 37000 miles, many learner miles in that). Downside, noisy.

Needed rim protectors, so that eliminated P Zero Nero.

Needed quietness, so the three favourites there seem to be Dunlop SP9000, Toyo T1-R and Kumho KU31. The Dunlop is not available in W rating in the size. The Kumhos have a softer sidewall than the Toyos, both have rim protection, the Toyos are rated highly for wear and having driven a Fabia vRS with the Toyos on, I know they are a bit quieter than the SCIIs. The Kumhos are only about

I've got continental sport contact 2 with 23000km ( 15000miles) and they are always OK

After, I think that i will try BF GOODRICH G FORCE 205/45ZR16 83V

So Toyos it is. I will report the differences once I get 'em bedded in. Anyone able to beat

Well? are they any good then?

I'm gonna need to replace my Pirelli P6000's soon' date=' having just had the wheels re-furbished i'd like something with more rim protection but dont want to compromise wet/dry grip.[/quote']

Hi John

Having looked at them "in the rubber" as it were, the rim protection is almost non existent, so I went for the Kumho KU31s. So far these have been very good, but are not fully settled in yet. See my review here:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/gearbox-tyres/conti-scii-kumho-ku31/60418/

Sorry I cant be much help on the Toyos. I will say that they had a softer or less rigid sidewall than the Kumhos when off the wheel.

Chris