Hi guys, 

 

First Post on here and recently brought myself a 2011 fabia Vrs (privately) on 57,000 miles . 

I've owned the car for 5 days and whilst driving home last night a had an engine management light appear!  

Stuck a OBD scanner in and came up with DTC P0441. Been to the local garage who used their scanner and they have told me there is a misfire. They have advised to change coil pack, leads and spark plugs as the best place to start. 

I haven't noticed any change in the driveability of the car, the only thing I've noticed is it's very thirsty but I'm not sure if this is common for them. 

 

Guess I'm looking for advice from the guys that know these cars better than anyone and whether I should do as the local garage have suggested? 

 

Thanks 

 

Rob 

There are lots of threads on  the spark plugs including a pinned thread at the top of the page.  Several threads I  the last pages of this section are on plugs, coils etc    Best get all 4 spark plugs out and inspected.  Replace if need be.  A guide by @UrbanPanzer shows how to.  The coils or a coil might need replacing but first see what the 4 plugs look like .  PS, open the airbox and see if a new airfilter is needed.    ? Are you using Super Unleaded of 97 or 99 Ron ?

Edited 17 May, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

Thanks for the advice. Spoke to the previous owner who tells me the spark plugs were only changed 6 months ago 

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/16825/P0441/001089

 

Not plug related then...

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/474609-evap-control-feedback-for-p0441-fault

 

Obviously the local garage are testing the OP's waistband integrity.

So do you think the local garage is trying to pull a fast one? 

The cars going in to skoda on Friday for a free health check. Is it worth me having a chat with them whilst it's there? Just concerned they will charge me through the roof for a diagnostic check 

11 minutes ago, VRSFABIA2021 said:

So do you think the local garage is trying to pull a fast one? 

The cars going in to skoda on Friday for a free health check. Is it worth me having a chat with them whilst it's there? Just concerned they will charge me through the roof for a diagnostic check 

 

You don't have a misfire, no codes and you'd notice it anyway.

 

So what do you think...

Many that drive Twinchargers over the past ten years were not aware of misfires and there can be misfires you are aware of and no Fault Code logged as not enough in a cycle.

 

There have been cars with a spark plug tip about to break off that never felt misfires until maybe booting the car down a slip road onto a motorway and are at full chat on turbo and supercharge under 3,500 rpm and the plug fails and they go into limp mode.

(2 cylinders shut down, turbo inhibited.)

 

@VRSFABIA2021

Did you ask their hourly rate for a Diagnostic?

Ar Participating Dealers of Skoda Fixed Servicing @ Maintenance it is £60 for the first 30 minutes.

Edited 17 May, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

16 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

Many that drive Twinchargers over the past ten years were not aware of misfires and there can be misfires you are aware of and no Fault Code logged as not enough in a cycle.

 

There have been cars with a spark plug tip about to break off that never felt misfires until maybe booting the car down a slip road onto a motorway and are at full chat on turbo and supercharge under 3,500 rpm and the plug fails and they go into limp mode.

(2 cylinders shut down, turbo inhibited.)

 

@VRSFABIA2021

Did you ask their hourly rate for a Diagnostic?

Ar Participating Dealers of Skoda Fixed Servicing @ Maintenance it is £60 for the first 30 minutes.

 

You appear to have fallen down your favourite rabbit hole.

 

OP states he has CEL and a P0441 DTC, and no other problems.

 

The garage wants to change the plugs, packs and leads stating that it's misfiring.

That's a £500 bill for an EVAP fault code and it won't fix it, they'll just clear the code and it'll come back.

@sepulchrave

All that i understand.

You covered that.

 

The statement that you will notice if you have misfires is what is misleading.  Plenty have had misfire codes logged but never felt the car misfiring.

Good if you do notice them though.

Not a rabbit hole, just a correction on mis-information.

Edited 17 May, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

12 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

@sepulchrave

All that i understand.

You covered that.

 

The statement that you will notice if you have misfires is what is misleading.  Plenty have had misfire codes logged but never felt the car misfiring.

Good if you do notice them though.

Not a rabbit hole, just a correction on mis-information.

 

...but you've flown off on a massive tangent, erected a giant wall of text and completely failed to address the OP's problem, then facepalmed me for drawing this to your attention.

 

Are you actually lucid?

 

Seriously!

You addressed the OP's question.  I addressed your duf gen on Misfires and you will notice them.

 

I never 'face palmed you',  i groaned at your usual not getting the discussion and the reply below your post.

Edited 17 May, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

1 minute ago, e-Roottoot said:

You addressed the OP's question.  I addressed your duf gen on Misfires and you will notice them.

 

Do you understand the difference between actually helping someone and just being a smartarse.

 

Let me give you a clue, I'm trying to help someone not get stitched up by a garage.

I understand. 

So do not help by saying if there were misfires you would notice as many have not noticed over the years.

 Just be nice and not the usual smarter than your last snide remark.

26 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

I understand. 

So do not help by saying if there were misfires you would notice as many have not noticed over the years.

 Just be nice and not the usual smarter than your last snide remark.

 

How is this even relevant to the topic?

 

You just shout rubbish then mount an ad-hominem rearguard action before crying foul, it's the same every time and it's bloody tedious and demoralising frankly.

 

This isn't your personal space to smear with excrement, it's a community offering advice to those in need, if you can't help then please don't just fling sh!t at those who can.

Bog off.

  You are very helpful and knowledgeable then push on and say / post something that people might believe as gospel when it is just crap.

 

Drive the cars, open the bonnet of one, work on them and get to know them and get to know what the fundamental issues are with them.

You say your interest is the engineering, well do some studying on the engineering of them, read the study manuals.

Talk with those that have the cars rather than going by the posts and threads maybe.

Edited 17 May, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

29 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

Bog off.

  You are very helpful and knowledgeable then push on and say / post something that people might believe as gospel when it is just crap.

 

Drive the cars, open the bonnet of one, work on them and get to know them and get to know what the fundamental issues are with them.

You say your interest is the engineering, well do some studying on the engineering of them, read the study manuals.

Talk with those that have the cars rather than going by the posts and threads maybe.

 

Are you nuts, I can fix anything, most of my forty years experience is practical.

 

How can you say an engine is misfiring if there's no evidence of it?

 

The OP's garage said exactly that.

Wanted to change plugs that are only six months old, change all the pencil packs with no evidence of a fault, change ignition leads that don't even exist and smash in a massive bill for simply clearing a fault code which would have returned after a few starts.

 

Take over then maestro, fix the OP's problem, ignore my advice and start from first principles. Fix it by giving best advice.

There is evidence when the misfires have the codes logged as can happen.

Yet you can drive the cars and feel misfires and no codes get logged because there were not enough in a cycle, as actually happens.

 

You are making it up now about the massive bill unless there is something not posted here you do not know.

£250 covers the price of the coils and plugs and £50 to fit, not the £500 previously mentioned.

 

But the OP has told us the previous owner says the plugs were changed 6 months ago.

So once checked they will know they are fine.

Just doing the basics,

Edited 17 May, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

Thanks again for the advice guys, sorry its caused things to get a little heated. 

 

The garage quoted me £150 for the leads, plugs and coil pack (all in) 

 

Having read through your replies, I don't think I'll follow this work up with the local garage and perhaps ask skoda when it's in on Friday. Would that be my best bet? 

Yes.

Or if anyone lives near Mildenhall Suffolk and willing to meet up to have a little look for me? 

The £150 would have been very very cheap.  But as @sepulchravesays, likely not nesessary.

2 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

 

 

 

OP states he has CEL and a P0441 DTC, and no other problems.

 

The garage wants to change the plugs, packs and leads stating that it's misfiring.

That's a £500 bill for an EVAP fault code and it won't fix it, they'll just clear the code and it'll come back.

Actually they were very shrewd in what they said, £500 (or £150) for changing perfectly healthy ignition components is "the best place to start", best for them that is! Once they have shaken the piggy bank & got an idea of its contents they might start looking at how to resolve the fault code & not the ficticious misfire.

Very doubtful they knew what the parts were going to cost them at trade price, unless they happened to have take offs sitting there.