I didn’t bother driving the ID3 as the looks put me off a tad.

However the Born drive wasn’t in any way bad. The last time I drove a RWD car was when I had a 5 Series and ideally I’d prefer FWD/4WD for the colder months but I honestly thought the ride was good. In no way wallowing on a variety of road surfaces - or letting the bumps transmit through to me.

The car I test drove (VZ3) didn’t have a sunroof which I thought came on that spec but that wouldn’t have been my choice anyway - it would be the VZ2. 
No doubt, come April 1 more dealers will get their demo models registered too.

Edited 30 March, 20224 yr by john999boy
Typo

IMO no Family Sized EV in the UK should be described as a 300 miles plus range car until.

 

You can charge to 100% and leave it sitting maybe overnight.

Then you get in with your family and stuff regardless of the weather and drive anyplace 150 miles away using any road type and at UK NSL's, then leave the car at least 1 hour and then all head back 150 miles and get there with maybe 10 miles range minimum and not have anything in the car reduced because the battery has reduced power, heating or cooling. 

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Actual real world efficiency of the cars with ambient temperatures below the teens with just a driver will be interesting to see as the figures this vlogger got are not impressive.

 

If the distances are with cars going non stop or with just one or 2 stops then that is not the same as broken journies.

If the numbers are just a calculation of maybe driving 20% of the miles and then multiplying then they can not be trusted.

 

The Born (62) usable battery of 58 kW battery will be lighter than a 77 kW.

The ID.3 (82) is 77 kW usable so comparable with a Born 77 with weight much the same but maybe wheels and tyres being different. 

 

Born 58kW @ 90 km / 56 mph did 207 miles,

207 miles divided by 58 = 3.6 miles per kWh

 

ID.3 77kW @ 90 km / 56 mph did 289 miles,     (Summer tyres) 

289 miles divided by 77 = 3.75 miles per kWh

 

Born 58 @ 120 km / 75 mph did 150 miles,

150 miles divided by 58 = 2.6 miler per kWh.

 

ID.3 82 / 77 kW @ 120 km / 75 mph did 202 miles, (Summer Tyres)

202 miles divided by 77 = 2.6 miles per kWh.

 

 

Edited 30 March, 20224 yr by roottoot

5 hours ago, roottoot said:

You can charge to 100% and leave it sitting maybe overnight.

Why specifically overnight? I don't feel this is necessary, I am okay with starting with a pre-conditioned car, same for everything else.

It need not be overnight, it can be any amount of hours.

 

So that a car is like lots of people use cars ICE , Hybrid or EV's.

Their cars, hired ones, borrowed / demonstrators etc

Fill them up, go to bed and set off early, maybe not from home, not from a charger, not pre plugged in, maybe last charged at a charger 8 hours earlier. 

 

PS

EV's need to suit a work life balance for many of the driving population and not just those with their own charger or one at their property or places they are staying at.

 

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Families need to know what a car is like for comfortable transport, comfortable heat, no steamed up interior glass or damp once parked more than any other car.

Just drivers in an EV sitting charging is different from people and animals in adverse weather sitting 30-40 minutes in cars with no wind deflectors on windows and no place near to shelter.

 

 

Here 133.4 miles in a new car with just a driver and 10 mph over UK max speed limit.

 

 

 

Edited 30 March, 20224 yr by roottoot

59 minutes ago, roottoot said:

EV's need to suit a work life balance for many of the driving population and not just those with their own charger or one at their property or places they are staying at.

 

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Families need to know what a car is like for comfortable transport, comfortable heat, no steamed up interior glass or damp once parked more than any other car.

Just drivers in an EV sitting charging is different from people and animals in adverse weather sitting 30-40 minutes in cars with no wind deflectors on windows and no place near to shelter.

Back to the chicken and egg problem, where we need more chargers installed everywhere before they make economical sense.

Bjorn puts it best: ABC - Always Be Charging.

 

Totally agree with charging in adverse weather, there need to be lounges and facilities (and shops, prime opportunity getting the foot traffic) near en-rout rapid chargers. I've said this soooo many times, a couple long rapids at random location is not good enough. Petrol stations are always built with shop/facility nearby.

Edited 30 March, 20224 yr by wyx087

There needs to be toilets, mobile / wifi reception first and foremost.

The UK is a big place and more than just about Main Roads and Motorways and Companies and Business's getting trade.

Those places can get on with developing their business.

 

 

Bjorn jumps about just him and his other half earning money while filming in Norway or elsewhere as do other vloggers.

 

Some people want transport and not a whole lifestyle change and buying food all the time at stops every 90 minutes. 

 

Setting out for a 3 hour drive and getting home or back again in another 3 hours without charging is what a 300 plus family car in the UK should be able to do.

If not it is a 250 plus mile car or a not even 200 mile plus maybe.

 

A 300 mile plus family EV for the UK might need to be ones built to do a max 93 mph with passengers in it comfortable and less to do with Performance, 0-62 mph and loads of stuff journalists like.

Good handling then they complain the ride is hard.  Well sprung and not wallowing.

 

If they want sporty then maybe driving a SUV / Crossover size EV on your own is not what you actually need.

Edited 30 March, 20224 yr by roottoot

Don't you think all this should be in one of the (many) charger / charging threads? Not particularly about the Cupra Born is it? 

The issue very much needs to be the efficiency and possible range really of a 58 or 77 kW Born at the various temps of maybe below 0, & 0, 5,10,15,20 or 25*oC as found in the UK over 12 months.

Any WLTP figures given might be achieved some of the time in some trips at times of the year. 

 

Any Family Sized car with just a driver that struggles to get 3.5 miles to a kWh when the temp is in single figures needs flagged as being so.

58 kW x 3.5 miles= 203, 

77 kW x 3.5 miles = 269.5

Dealer phoned up about a test drive after I requested one.

I was in middle of a call and asked them to call back a little later and they said they would.

 

Nothing at all and with the dealer about 75 miles away I gave up and purchased something else.

@cheezemonkhaiis it a car that you bought?  Are you going to share please what? 

 

 

I was thinking I might get a call. I think as I said I wasn’t putting a deposit down on launch day they have fatter wallets to snack on.

started to book a Tesla test… only 45mikes away… this testing my nerve to committing to 90miles of vodka burning.

Meanwhile, I test drove Tesla 3 and Y at their showroom near Heathrow. Asked a couple questions relating to LFP battery, German built cars and 7 seater Y. This was in between the guy talking to other customers standing near the car, not a recording device in sight.

A few days later I got a missed call and then an Email asking what I'm considering for next step and recalls that I would like a German built LFP battery 7 seater Model Y.

 

Amazing how a not-commission-driven passionate sales team can do.

The Born now has the 77kWh and 'e' versions available since last weekend too. 🚗

…and drum brakes on the rear. Had no end of hassle with them on the Citigo, think John Cleese and a tree branch for one such occasion in a glen in Scotland.

 

next…

OT but i noticed a car coming towards me at a junction and thought WTF is that ugly car.

 

It was a black Tesla Y that i was looking at and i decided it must be the black that made it look so strange / tall. 

 

 

@ColinD VW / Skoda just happened to have the most rubbish Drum brakes on the rear on Up!MiiCitigo ICE vehicles as they had on Fabia.

Manual Handbrake old tech that after decades of evolution were worse than the decade before.

 

They surely are not as on the bigger EV's.  

Edited 4 April, 20224 yr by roottoot

Worse than the past three decades… I was spoilt by growing up around Citroen, discs were a thing for them before disks were an idea for many uk manfs. The vow van we had was drums and they never stuck, didn’t always slow down that much when a tonne up… 

 

I’ll take it for a test, can’t say fairer than that. I think it fits on the drive. Maybe a Little bit sticking out, for pushchairs to prang.

 

 

1 hour ago, roottoot said:

VW / Skoda just happened to have the most rubbish Drum brakes on the rear on Up!MiiCitigo ICE vehicles as they had on Fabia.

 

They're pretty poor. Even more so at 60k miles/15 y/o.

 

Anyway, I shall refrain from derailing this thread with my ramblings about my hatred towards VW/AG drum brakes.

There is reason for the drum brakes. First as these are rear wheel drive and therefore rear wheel regen braking, there is no need for powerful rear brakes. Second, as the friction brakes are much less used because of regen, rear disks on EVs suffer from seizing and corrosion. The enclosed drums should negate this. Finally, drum brakes cost less 🤣

On front wheel drive EV's like mine drums would be a good thing as they and the front brakes really need used seldom and are a rusty mess and make a terrible noise and with the e-brake it is really not possible to clean them up by braking with the parking brake applied while driving and any touching of the brakes on a long decline just stops the car as a light touch is not possible. 

Edited 4 April, 20224 yr by roottoot

7 hours ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Dealer phoned up about a test drive after I requested one.

I was in middle of a call and asked them to call back a little later and they said they would.

 

Nothing at all and with the dealer about 75 miles away I gave up and purchased something else.

 

 

I had a similar problem when I was asking about taking this car out for a test drive.

Decided not to bother with it though as they hadn't rang me back within 5 minutes! 😉

 

Seriously though, it seems some dealers are better than others as even after two emails and a follow up phone call to one dealer, I'm still no closer to getting the information I asked for. 👎

Edited 4 April, 20224 yr by john999boy

18 hours ago, roottoot said:

@cheezemonkhaiis it a car that you bought?  Are you going to share please what? 

 

Sorry, are you asking about the Born or what I have gone with?

11 hours ago, john999boy said:

 

 

I had a similar problem when I was asking about taking this car out for a test drive.

Decided not to bother with it though as they hadn't rang me back within 5 minutes! 😉

 

Seriously though, it seems some dealers are better than others as even after two emails and a follow up phone call to one dealer, I'm still no closer to getting the information I asked for. 👎

 

TBH it wasn't that they had not rung back in 5 minutes that bothered me at all.

They called the next day, said they would call back 2 hours later as asked, then they didn't so 2 days later I called, sales in question was busy but would call me back later that day.... didn't.

 

I already had the list narrowed down to two cars and had only reconsidered the born after your post and realising the 77kWh was a real thing in the UK.

@cheezemonkhai. It was what the something else you purchased that got my curiosity going.  I assumed it would be a car but assumption killed the cat.  

1 minute ago, roottoot said:

@cheezemonkhai. It was what the something else you purchased that got my curiosity going.  I assumed it would be a car but assumption killed the cat.  

 

You're ok that cat is alive... it is a car.

I'll fill in more details on the EV6 vs Enyaq thread, but we have an EV6 on order. 👍

Edited 5 April, 20224 yr by cheezemonkhai