there is a performance increase on the diesel, IIRC 20%

T'was a joke about the CORGI reg. bit. Should have put a smiley in really I suppose.

Maybe with that fabia, you could look at replacing the engine with an allinson turboshaft - you can get 1000 - 1500 bhp in a very small, (but rather expensive package.) T'will run on paraffin as well, IIRC 30 - 35 ppl (Don't tell highwayman brown)

All the black smoke can be set on fire at the back if you realy want a laugh.

there is a performance increase on the diesel, IIRC 20%

As he said - I've heard figures of 25 to 30% increases, but not sure my already highly tuned engine will really unleash that much more power.... But then look at all the unburnt fuel coming out the back - If all that gets burned in the engine generating power, thanks to the lpg providing a better combustion than just air....? Gotta give a fair whack more horses.

T'was a joke about the CORGI reg. bit. Should have put a smiley in really I suppose.

Maybe with that fabia, you could look at replacing the engine with an allinson turboshaft - you can get 1000 - 1500 bhp in a very small, (but rather expensive package.) T'will run on paraffin as well, IIRC 30 - 35 ppl (Don't tell highwayman brown)

All the black smoke can be set on fire at the back if you realy want a laugh.

urm it might be me but if your car is making lots of black smoke ( it is I saw on the c&f run) then that must mean that it needs more air. If there is not enough air to combust it properly now then when you start adding more fuel (lpg) there will be even more fuel to combust in the same amount of air. Although i think it was low down on the rev range yours smokes and it cleans up the more it revs. will you be injecting lpg all the way through the rev range or just higher up I assume it will be boost related as to how much goes in.

still good show and cant wait till its finished. and I am prob wrong about the above comment

lpg has a lot more air in it though oskah, it also aids combustion in the cylinder so rather than having say 70% efficient burn in the cylinder you get a 90% efficient burn.

don't quote those figures as they are just examples i used, so its not about more air or more fuel but just making the most of what you have

Hmm, interesting.

I await the results with baited breath!!

Hmm' date=' interesting.

I await the results with baited breath!![/quote']

So do I! 4 metres of 6mm copper lagged pipe ordered today - all being well it will be hooked up at the weekend. My head is still trying to get around the logistics of the wiring though....

lpg has a lot more air in it though oskah

LPG doesn't have a lot more "air" in it :P

More details about how it all works here

And my favourite quote from that page...

My understanding is that it is a very fine line between lots of extra power and a dose of LPG that will render an engine scrap metal in a hurry, so consider carefully before you decide to "turn it up".

Chris

LPG doesn't have a lot more "air" in it :P

More details about how it all works here

And my favourite quote from that page...

Chris

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I love that quote. I'll be leaving that "screw" in its current position before tweaking it. The only thing I will have to change is the PSI it cuts in at. It looks to have been sent from the US at a default of 10 PSI and the instructions to turn it down to 5 PSI look awkward - attaching an air line and giving it "fake boost" before turning it.

More info here:

http://www.dieselperformanceproducts.com/adjustment.html

I like this bit

"Flow Limit Adjustments: The Powershot 2000 does not contain fixed orifices but has an easy adjustment screw for regulating the flow for your specific needs. (i.e. towing, propane economy, performance, etc.) To adjust the flow of LP fuel-loosen 7/16” nut (located next to the Powershot 2000 engraving) turn this screw in for less LP flow. This is recommended to increase propane and fuel economy, Turn this screw out for more LP flow. The maximum adjustment is six turns out Make these adjustments in ¼ turn increments. The maximum flow rate is not recommended for vehicles with extreme performance enhancements such as computer modules/chips or fueling boxes (over 100 hp). Please use caution when making these adjustments. Listen for any signs of engine knocking or rattling when increasing the flow. Turn system off immediately and readjust to the stock setting if any engine knocking or rattling occurs. This can indicate engine detonation, caused by excessive LP flow. "

BOOOOOOOOOOOM!

I'm definitely going for a pretty mild injection - apparently I should expect a decision/price from insurance company later today - hope it's a positive one

It was earlier than 2005 that LV's rules changed. It was around September 2004. They told me this' date=' but as my policy with my car began in Dec 2003 (change of car in Feb 2004) - my current car is still covered under their old rules. However as soon as I change my car (and wish to continue) I immediately get the modification clause wiped out (as in NO mods allowed :()

Simple answer, eh? Never get rid of the mongrel. [/quote']

Play it like "Trigger's broom" in Only Fools and Horses then.

You'll be 65 and retired with the same car, only had 5 engines and 4 shells over the years but it's the same car

J.

LPG doesn't have a lot more "air" in it :P

More details about how it all works here

And my favourite quote from that page...

Chris

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ROFL - I like this quote from the linked site.

"My understanding is that it is a very fine line between lots of extra power and a dose of LPG that will render an engine scrap metal in a hurry, so consider carefully before you decide to "turn it up"."

Having had a quick read of the site, I'm wondering if there's a point in having a knock sensor and display if fitting one of these beasts.

J.

Any news? Does it live?

I've got the OK from the insurance :orb_hard_

Just fighting now to get the 2 days off I need for the fitting, which is harder than it sounds when your whole management team switches daily

Will try to make some snaps if I'm around during the fitting, but I reckon Jason's fitting pics will probably be more complete/interesting

Speaking of which - more pics Jason

VW are you going to get CC2 sorted after the LPG?

Yep - may end up with a phase 3 instead due to the more tweaked nature of the car now though, will see. I called JBS to make sure adding the LPG wouldn't cause problems for my current (phase 1) map.

More positive news is that my two days holiday has been approved, so I'm gonna be out with a tape measure this weekend to supply the fitter with the right measurements (stupidity my end permitting ) and tell my insurance broker about it + book hotel room

Must also remember to buy an emergency tyre repair kit come to think of it

All being done tomorrow, all being well. I got the necessary shrouded 6mm copper fuel pipe from my local friendly gas supplier, and also got a gauge and sender so I can keep an eye on propane usage.

More pics tomorrow. Its the wiring up I'm not looking forward to... Looks really nightmarish, but should be OK hopefully.

Are you going to fit an EGT sensor and gauage jason? I did since you dont want the gas temp getting to high and melting a piston or turbo blade.

WW VRS what make of system are you going for then if its an insurance approved system unlike jasons ?

From what I can tell it's the same as Jason's - i.e. Powershot 2000 - I'm guessing the biggest difference is that the fitter is UK approved and on the list of approved fitters. I'll also get the UK and Euro continental adaptors (on request for the latter) and the LED-gauge thing I believe.

I'm pretty sure there isn't much of a difference beyond that, it could be a different marking on the materials used to make it UK legit but not sure (yet )

The insurance approved it based on stating it was an LPG injection system for my Fabia vRS - oddly premium will be reduced (very slightly) AFTER fitting it. No I don't know why either

Good idea about the EGT sensor & gauge