You are all missing the point, there is no new law, no laws have changed in the EU nor the UK, the UK for reasons best known to itself (probably deflection) wants you to change your GB stickers for UK ones, nobody in Europe gives a flying 4 letter word whether you display a country identifier sticker or not (most don't) or if you do whether it says GB or UK, in fact RU would be more appreciated and better understood in France.

 

You are not going to be fined for displaying a GB sticker or having GB on your EU compliant number plates, you are not going to be refused entry into an EU country for having the wrong sticker or no sticker.

 

You are being used as pawns, very willing ones seemingly, called pigeons in France.

Time will tell if any officers of the law or anyone in authority in an EU or any country outside the UK bothers.

 

Maybe there will be UK Stickers available at any Traffic Stops  or Control Points to be handed out to the poor people of the UK.

 

I do wonder what the situation will be with those driving Commercial Vehicles UK registered when across the channel.

They can shrug their shoulders and say la connerie or what ever they need to for BS.

I think the crunch will be around MOT time and European Port Entry .

 

In accordance with Michael Gove's Department for the Union, they want to foist this onto everyone.  Trouble is that 49% of us folk who didn't vote for this stupid Brexit - don't want anything to do with this car crash and I definately don't want my car shouting its "UK" credentials, just so it can be key'd in a carpark if I fancy a quick trip to Calais.  So - the question is this: For those of us who live in Scotland or Wales who feel Scottish or Welsh - how do we honour our pride in our country?  There is nothing united about the UK at the moment.  By foisting this edict onto the nations of the UK, they are saying that we don't matter or care.  Westminster would love nothing more for Scotland and Wales to become obsolite in terms of nation names.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

The pragmatic approach is that Europe allows for Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland folk to who want to profess their pride in their part of this island set - to present their appropriate country code on their car.  You can bet that a good number of MOT testers will be more than happy to pass cars with their appropriate country numberplates.

 

Now confusingly enough, most folk in Scotland drive around with SCO numberplate flag (including me) - but that's not the Chapman coding for Scotland - its SCT.  Wales is WLS.  NIR is Northern Ireland.

 

 

 

Edited 30 September, 20214 yr by varaderoguy

Most people in Scotland do not have cars with Reg Plates with the SCO flag on them, that would be more than half the cars.

More likely to have an Arnold Clark Sticker and Number Plates.

Just look at cars around you driving in Scotland or just cars First Registered in Scotland with S at the start of the Reg.     

 

Easy enough to put a St Andrew Cross Sticker on your car if you want.

 

 

Edited 30 September, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

Do you really believe that displaying a GB sticker will become an MOT failure or that European Ports will refuse entry to vehicles so adorned?

 

This subject is becoming even more Kafkaesque.

My guess is @varaderoguywas meaning Registration plates at MOT's which are a MOT item, 

not stickers, decals or magnetic GB's which are in no way anything to do with a MOT in the UK. 

 

If the DVSA / DVLA / UK Government have decreed that all registration plates have now to be clean or have the UK or a Green Flash on them that will be something else.    (they need to be clean when presented, i mean not with dragons, St George, St Andrew, GB flashes.)

Edited 30 September, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

3 hours ago, varaderoguy said:

I definately don't want my car shouting its "UK" credentials

 

Why not - do you not live in part of the UK??

 

Also, I believe that part of the reason for the change is that the previous 'GB' designation was not fully inclusive, ignoring Northern Ireland (Great Britain is just England, Scotland and Wales)

 

Nonetheless, having said all of that I do feel it is rather daft to change something that has stood for over 100 years and, as JR has indicated, has little real-world significance.

Edited 30 September, 20214 yr by skomaz

Nobody has to be pleased or proud of being part of the UK though. 

17 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

Why not - do you not live in part of the UK??

 

Nonetheless, having said all of that I do feel it is rather daft to change something that has stood for over 100 years and, as JR has indicated, has little real-world significance.

He added, which you omitted, 'just so it can be keyed in a car park if I fancy a quick trip to Calais'. Given that there's a lot of people, perhaps from countries who aren't happy with the UK for whatever reason, is a very real possibility. There's been lots of instances in the UK of foreign registered cars being keyed or worse. I know from experience.

Yeah, it's daft to change it. IMO it's a pathetic attempt to bring NI into the UK fold/ cosy up to certain NI people as it's 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' which a simple GB plate omits. 
Mind you, it'd look a bit daft with a plate saying UKOGBANI so abbreviated to UK  

Edited 30 September, 20214 yr by @Lee

34 minutes ago, @Lee said:

He added, which you omitted, 'just so it can be keyed in a car park if I fancy a quick trip to Calais'. Given that there's a lot of people, perhaps from countries who aren't happy with the UK for whatever reason, is a very real possibility.

 

But let's be honest...   A united kingdom vehicle is just as obvious from a GB plate or a registration plate so a UK sticker would make bugger all difference.

8 hours ago, J.R. said:

You are all missing the point, there is no new law, no laws have changed in the EU nor the UK, the UK for reasons best known to itself (probably deflection) wants you to change your GB stickers for UK ones, nobody in Europe gives a flying 4 letter word whether you display a country identifier sticker or not (most don't) or if you do whether it says GB or UK, in fact RU would be more appreciated and better understood in France.

You are not going to be fined for displaying a GB sticker or having GB on your EU compliant number plates, you are not going to be refused entry into an EU country for having the wrong sticker or no sticker.

You are being used as pawns, very willing ones seemingly, called pigeons in France.

I'm not sure that one person from Picardie answers for all the law enforcers in Europe as to their willingness to uphold the new rules, laws or whatever they are interpreted as within this thread.

 

8 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

Time will tell if any officers of the law or anyone in authority in an EU or any country outside the UK bothers.

The naysayers will be able to quote from here and refuse to pay any fines though. 😜

 

6 hours ago, varaderoguy said:

I think the crunch will be around MOT time and European Port Entry .

I don't know if numberplates are covered in the MOT but if they are then it appears that most current ones will be fine.

 

10 minutes ago, john999boy said:

I don't know if numberplates are covered in the MOT

0. Identification of the vehicle - MOT inspection manual: cars and passenger vehicles - Guidance - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

 

Key phrase appears to be the last bullet-point in this section:

You do not need to check:

• the supplier’s name
• postcode
• BS number
• logos or emblems outside the minimum margin around the registration number

40 minutes ago, john999boy said:

I'm not sure that one person from Picardie answers for all the law enforcers in Europe as to their willingness to uphold the new rules, laws or whatever they are interpreted as within this thread.

 

 

Well he would know more if you were to respond to the request to confirm the details of the law that you informed me of.

10 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Well he would know more if you were to respond to the request to confirm the details of the law that you informed me of.

As I'm not directly responsible for making,  conveying or implementing the new 'legislation', I will let others furnish this information if they are able to.

Also as you well know, that is totally unrelated to my reference above.

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

 

Well he would know more if you were to respond to the request to confirm the details of the law that you informed me of.

I'll settle for you publishing every French law ever, as proof of your claim that "there is no such law in France".

3 hours ago, skomaz said:

 

But let's be honest...   A united kingdom vehicle is just as obvious from a GB plate or a registration plate so a UK sticker would make bugger all difference.

I agree. Which makes the whole idea of a UK plate even more of a nonsense.

IMO it was dreamt up by a drunk or high insecure politician who thought 'I know what'll make us Global Britain, a UK marking'. It really is one of the latest in a long list of daft ideas such as bridges and spaceports across the UK.

1 hour ago, KenONeill said:

I'll settle for you publishing every French law ever, as proof of your claim that "there is no such law in France".

With the greatest of respect it does not concern you Ken, you did not address a posting telling me that it is law that GB stickers or plates may no longer be used.

 

 

1 hour ago, john999boy said:

As I'm not directly responsible for making,  conveying or implementing the new 'legislation', I will let others furnish this information if they are able to.

 

But it was you who made a posting addressed to me by name to say that it was law, am I correct to assume that you are unable to furnish the information?

 

I agree with Lee that it really was a daft idea, only surpassed by some of the reactions to it be they misinformation by the media or the misguided spreading of false fear.

 

It really is a non event.

Edited 30 September, 20214 yr by J.R.

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

With the greatest of respect it does not concern you Ken, you did not address a posting telling me that it is law that GB stickers or plates may no longer be used.

I can see that his comment went way over your head.

 

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

But it was you who made a posting addressed to me by name to say that it was law, am I correct to assume that you are unable to furnish the information?

My disinclination or inability to furnish this information doesn’t automatically make your assumption correct though. 👮‍♂️

If you want to take umbrage with this then I suggest you take it up with the UK or EU seats of power otherwise you’re just advocating anarchy akin to glueing your hands to the M25 to promote insulation!

The issue really is where people get information which is the media and their casual use of words like 'Law', Rules, Guidelines.

Lack of clarity if there are 'Laws' and Offences, and the Government are no help there with pointing out what 'Law' it is and in which countries.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/vehicle-sticker-warning-issued-uk-5991270

 

7 hours ago, john999boy said:

I can see that his comment went way over your head.

Cheers for that.  

9 hours ago, J.R. said:

With the greatest of respect it does not concern you Ken, you did not address a posting telling me that it is law that GB stickers or plates may no longer be used.

 

 

I've had enough of you; blocked before I say something that gets me censured!

9 hours ago, john999boy said:

My disinclination or inability to furnish this information doesn’t automatically make your assumption correct though. 👮‍♂️

No but I will in future take anything that you say in an authorative manner with a large pinch of salt, as a moderator I gave credence to what you said hence my asking for clarification.

9 hours ago, john999boy said:

If you want to take umbrage with this then I suggest you take it up with the UK or EU seats of power otherwise you’re just advocating anarchy akin to glueing your hands to the M25 to promote insulation!

 

I have not taken umbrage and I have not been advocating anarchy, I simply questioned a statement that you made directed to me by name, I have learned a lot from the response.

46 minutes ago, J.R. said:

No but I will in future take anything that you say in an authorative manner with a large pinch of salt, as a moderator I gave credence to what you said hence my asking for clarification.

 

I have not taken umbrage and I have not been advocating anarchy, I simply questioned a statement that you made directed to me by name, I have learned a lot from the response.

 

On 10/09/2021 at 21:41, J.R. said:

I have never once had a GB plate, 

 

You seem to be focusing on me being the sole conduit of the 'updated instructions' whereas it should be on the people who appear to treat the law with contempt?

 

Whether it is a rule, law or whatever I very much doubt you would take heed anyway.

I was focussing on you because you responded to my posting with "It is actually a law @J.R.. " and thereafter evaded giving any clarification or details when asked, I see you now describe it as "updated instructions" so we are in agreement.

 

You say my focus should be on the people that treat the law with contempt, at the risk of going round in circles what law would that be?  Nothing in the thread had spoken of people treating the law (I presume you men the law in general) with contempt and I am very very dissapointed with your closing comment, it is totally unnecessary and without foundation, not what I expected of a moderator that has well earned  my respect over the years.

I am seriously interested if any EU or Continental European country have put into law in that country anything about GB stickers and UK stickers and what the penalty is for not displaying them in their country. Is the legislation now part of Law if they have legislated.  Is there advice, guidelines or rules now with their Police Officers or relevant authorities?