13 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

They are not giving the true facts about this car, the price he gave is for the entry level ELX, of £31k, is actually £34k and the car they are testing is the top of the range Ultimate @ £40,000.

 

I have been in this car as a passenger when my Superb goes in for service, I get a lift home and picked up again in one of these, and it suffers from road noise, and my knees are very close to the dashboard, unlike the Superb and is not that big. Also I'm told the spares and servicing are costly.

 

SsangYong Korando e-Motion pricing and full price list at SsangYong GB, UK

2 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

Those are not the published prices in the official price list.

24 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Those are not the published prices in the official price list.

 

In the video he said Range between £30-40k

 

He then specifically mentioned availability at £31k for the elx if he went to Rotherham on the day he looked.

 

Those i posted are today for the ultimate.

 

No idea why they have £9k off but they are not what i class as New because they are already built and here.

 

 

Just looked at the new Korando can only be configured as Ultimate spec

 

Which suggests New models must be in the offing so they may be disposing of old stock?

Edited 5 January, 20242 yr by Stonekeeper

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

The last time I looked (about 10s before the time stamp on this message), it was 2024.

9 minutes ago, Paws4Thot said:

The last time I looked (about 10s before the time stamp on this message), it was 2024.

 

Not sure what point you are making?

 

 

"they are not what i class as New because they are already built and here. "

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

If insurance company A deemed it to be a write-off because in their opinion the risk was too high

 

Uneconomic repair, no different to if you holed your sump & wrecked the engine, or perhaps a closer example, someone holed your fuel tank to steal the fuel and once again an ueconomic repair (a recent occurence) both Cat A markers in the UK, nothing in my country, both will be put back on the road by a Diyer.

 

Insurance companies are not concerned about safety or risk, they just want to get the maximum back as salvage which will always be at least 40%, it costs them 60% less the excess based on an unfair valuation, the remainder of the policy is cancelled and they double the premium for the new vehicle, reaming you whilst smiling and saying you have protected NCB.

 

My own Yeti could have been repaired and MOT'd for the cost of a couple of 1/4 watt resistors but I did the job properly with new airbags & seat belt pyros, if it happens again it will be the resistors!

 

The vehicle with the 5mm scrape in the undertray will have it filled & painted or pulled out with spot welded keys if steel.

 

I wont answer either of your questions as I now understand your game.

Edited 5 January, 20242 yr by J.R.

36 minutes ago, J.R. said:

The vehicle with the 5mm scrape in the undertray will have it filled & painted or pulled out with spot welded keys if steel.

That is just what I thought.

 

39 minutes ago, J.R. said:

I wont answer either of your questions as I now understand your game.

Haha, no game I assure you, they were/are genuine questions, fact.

A 'Full Manufacturers Warranty' should and usually means 'Not yet first registered'  and a Full Manufacturers Warranty of 3 years, 5 years or what ever'.

Starting from when First Registered.

Not just the Remainder of a Manufacturers warranty if the car has been First Registered, had one Registered Keeper and maybe a few week of the warranty all ready used up. 

 

Anyone getting a New Skoda still get a New Skoda even though it was not built in the UK and has arrived from Overseas and is at a Dealership here.

 

Latest Model is a whole different thing. 

Edited 6 January, 20242 yr by Rooted

All of my new Skodas, came with a full warranty. The first one there were none in the country and were made to order. The last one was when they were more popular and some stocks were stored, so I added some factory fitted extras and waited over 3 months for it. 

57 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

All of my new Skodas, came with a full warranty. The first one there were none in the country and were made to order. The last one was when they were more popular and some stocks were stored, so I added some factory fitted extras and waited over 3 months for it. 

 

2/3 year and 60K miles for VAG cars ?

 

Hyundai and Kia 7 years.

 

My Renaults 5 years and 100K miles.  Both the full EV and the mild hybrid.

 

Had a turbo go on my 30 month old Audi A4 and it was a nervous warranty claim as car had done 65k miles.   

 

 VAG warranty does not back up the brands supposed high engineering standards. 

 

 

Edited 6 January, 20242 yr by lol-lol

11 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Haha, no game I assure you, they were/are genuine questions, fact.

 

Your game is endlessly asking questions of people who cannot possibly answer them:

 

"why was the car written off by the insurance company, if the new owner can just go and get new insurance with not even a visual inspection to see if the 5mm scrape and dent had been fixed? If insurance company A deemed it to be a write-off because in their opinion the risk was too high, then insurance B should be doing the same? "

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

 

Your game is endlessly asking questions of people who cannot possibly answer them:

 

"why was the car written off by the insurance company, if the new owner can just go and get new insurance with not even a visual inspection to see if the 5mm scrape and dent had been fixed? If insurance company A deemed it to be a write-off because in their opinion the risk was too high, then insurance B should be doing the same? "

WTF? You started this when you posted this.

On 05/01/2024 at 09:47, J.R. said:

A 5mm deep scrape on the battery undertray and the vehicle is written off as seen in the video

 

Not much point having an EV 4x4 is there!

And then as an afterthought, you posted this.

On 05/01/2024 at 10:03, J.R. said:

That vehicle wont even get as far as Copart, they will have it sold before collection and the happy new owner will be driving it as soon as he recieves it.

 

Then I asked the following.

23 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Are you sure of that?

I'm just wondering if the car has been written off because of the dent in the battery protection tray, then it surely has to be recorded in some fashion as to why it was written off. I mean, if the "new owner" is just allowed to drive it as soon as they receive it, without doing something to it, it makes a complete mockery of it being written off in the first place.  How is the new owner going to be able to get any tax or insurance on the car if it is recorded as scrapped. I know that a Cat S can be repaired and put back into use, but that car should be regarded as a ticking bomb by any insurance company until the battery has been properly repaired and can be proven to be safe again??

 

Then you posted this.

16 hours ago, J.R. said:

I think the batteries are very well protected, far better than the sumps of ICE vehicles, I also think there is a decent gap between what should be a sacrificial undertray and the battery case, also there will be some insulation between the cells and the casing, finally if a cell does get damaged it would show up because each cell or battery of cells (the correct term) is monitored.

 

So I dont think there is any chance that the battery pack beneath the undershield in the photo with the 5mm reference shim and straight edge was damaged nor either of the two Hyundai batteries that they wanted $60k to replace, that is the scandal, that manufacturers are taking the easy, safe and above all remunerative choice and saying they have to be replaced.

 

I bet most of our cars if they had aluminium flat floors would have a 5mm dent or scrape in them, Qwikfit will give you a pair of them whilst they are doing a supposed inspection to tell you that you need new brake discs and calipers, shock absorbers and 4 new tyres 😃.

 

 

Yes, the vehicle is repairable salvage with no structural damage, no different to flood damage or door lock and steering lock broken from theft or cambelt failure.

Then I posted this and asked again as you never gave a coherent answer to the question as to why a car is written off for a dent in the protective cover by company A if company B just go and reinsurance the same car without any work being done to it.

16 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well, I'd like to think and hope that these things are in place just as you say, but, that still begs the question that if they are, then why was the car written off by the insurance company, if the new owner can just go and get new insurance with not even a visual inspection to see if the 5mm scrape and dent had been fixed? If insurance company A deemed it to be a write-off because in their opinion the risk was too high, then insurance B should be doing the same?

You then posted this response, bearing no relevance to the question as there are many ICE cars around with dents in their sumps, and the EV car that started this whole chain of posts off did not suffer a hole in the shield, only a scrape and a 5mm dent.

13 hours ago, J.R. said:

 

Uneconomic repair, no different to if you holed your sump & wrecked the engine, or perhaps a closer example, someone holed your fuel tank to steal the fuel and once again an ueconomic repair (a recent occurence) both Cat A markers in the UK, nothing in my country, both will be put back on the road by a Diyer.

 

Insurance companies are not concerned about safety or risk, they just want to get the maximum back as salvage which will always be at least 40%, it costs them 60% less the excess based on an unfair valuation, the remainder of the policy is cancelled and they double the premium for the new vehicle, reaming you whilst smiling and saying you have protected NCB.

 

My own Yeti could have been repaired and MOT'd for the cost of a couple of 1/4 watt resistors but I did the job properly with new airbags & seat belt pyros, if it happens again it will be the resistors!

 

The vehicle with the 5mm scrape in the undertray will have it filled & painted or pulled out with spot welded keys if steel.

 

I wont answer either of your questions as I now understand your game.

There is no game, I just want an answer to the following statement that you made in your 2nd post, "That vehicle wont even get as far as Copart, they will have it sold before collection and the happy new owner will be driving it as soon as he recieves it."

12 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

That is just what I thought.

 

Haha, no game I assure you, they were/are genuine questions, fact.

So the only game in town that is being played is an imaginary one in your head. If the original insurer decided that the car was a risk that they were not happy to take and wrote that car off for the battery shield dent, then the car should be considered as a risk but yet you were implying that the new owner will be driving it as soon as he receives it, which by definition means without any remedial work being done to reduce the risk of whatever the original insurer was not prepared to accept.

 

I still ask the same genuine question, because there is a real danger here that a dangerous car could be purchased from a dealer like Copart and simply and quickly put back on the road, using the same registration details to get fresh insurance and be registered for VED.

 

There are no hidden meanings or banana skins in my posts, I'm here on this forum as a genuine person who has always had a love of motor cars, regardless of their type of drive train or fuel that powers them.

 

 

Done well there Graham. I'm sure you learnt from the best

You have totally confused me and that is far too much for my head to take today.

 

I answered your question regarding Copart in the affirmative, I cannot answer your questions regarding the insurance companies as you would have to address them to the companies and not me, I am not a mind reader.

 

Now you may not have been asking me, they could have been general questions to the forum but once again nobody but the insurers could answer them.

Posted yesterday at 20.38

 

 

On 05/01/2024 at 13:24, Graham Butcher said:

Are you sure of that?

 

 

Yes, the vehicle is repairable salvage with no structural damage, no different to flood damage or door lock and steering lock broken from theft or cambelt failure.

30 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Posted yesterday at 20.38

Yes, the vehicle is repairable salvage with no structural damage, no different to flood damage or door lock and steering lock broken from theft or cambelt failure.

Except that if that video that we are referring to is to be believed, the car was written off because of the suspected high voltage traction battery damage which means that there is a chance of the battery entering thermal runaway and destroying the car. You said that Copart will more than likely have sold the car to a new owner even before they have collected the car for transporting to their premises and the new owner driving it straight away.

 

The question(s) I was asking is 1/ why do you think that?

 

I understand that the car was written off under one of the four cat ratings A, B, S or N but surely there is with a suspected battery there needs to be a fifth Cat so If the car was scrapped because of suspected battery, then before that car can obtain VED status and also be insured is that has been inspected to ensure the safety of the battery and the approbate documentation raised and filed to prove it is safe?
 

You'd be rightly p***ed off if you parked your Yeti next to a car that had been written off like the one we are talking about, only to find that the car gone in thermal runaway and destroyed your car as well, because it had indeed suffered battery damage? 

Shirley might bring in a new category where not any part of a BEV or PHEV or Mild Hybrid can be used or repaired and not just because someone died in that vehicle.     Do not hold your breath on that.    The UK government need not do what the EU does.   They can make the UK the safest place in the World, make EV insurance the highest in the world and all other insurance.   Tax those Bl00dy Zero Emission cars off the road.  Have manufacturers required to have 22% Zero Emissions cars first registered just in 2024 and rising in percentage until it is 80% then 100%.  Write to your MP, the DfT and the DVSA and the Secretary of State for Transport Mark Harper MP. The Prime Minister and anyone else.   I am sure they will not give a damn. 

Edited 7 January, 20242 yr by Rooted

@Rootedwow, that competely missed the point. Why stop there with just any form electric vehicle, let's include all ICE as well, make them just as expensive to tax and insure and go that bit extra and make the fuel almost impossible to buy and return to steam or even good fashioned horses for even more enhanced UK safety. 🤣

It was sarcasm. 

We already pay for lots for insurance or some do.

Every reason under the sun, or no sun but flooding, wars around the world and energy costs / gas prices, chip or component shortages and any excuse that can be found is used because insurers want the profits and do have costs, wasted expenses.   & basically everyone all along the line wants to make money out of insurance. 

 

If the additional costs of BEV,s being in accidents is really as high as is being made out then fair enough to load the insurance on BEV,s.

If it is Battery Damage including flood damage and dealing with that or general repairs then maybe they can divulge which actual models have the highest claims on battery replacements from external objects of batteries that does not involve body damage.

@RootedI'd like to take that one step further, Ok I agree about the loading of insurance on owners of BEV, if that is the gods honest truth we are being told about the costs, But that loading should only be for now while people still have a choice in the type of car they have.

Once it becomes compulsory that all new cars have to be zero emissions, i.e., BEV then it would be unfair to hoist those sorts of hiked premiums onto owners as they have no choice to make apart other than forgo a car and use PT and we all what a nightmare that is and would be.

 

Fact is that we do not at the present moment have a truly effective solution to the inherent dangers of battery fires. Ignoring all aspects of which type of fuelled car is more likely to catch fire etc, we all know that once a traction battery is on fire, it is almost impossible to put it out before it, and more often than not, the practise is to try and isolate it and let it burn itself out, as it can reignite again at a later time.

 

Most car fires, even BEVs, do not actually start with the battery, but something else causes the ignition of other materials, so if the fire services can get to a BEV fire quick enough, they can stop the battery becoming an issue. Sadly however the trend on our island and I suspect almost everywhere else, fire cover has been reduced, despite the increase in the population and the arrival of fire services to any fire in rural areas is even more problematical owing to the distance they have to travel. These problems are really generated by governments, and they are the ones who should be solving them.

Edited 7 January, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

The truth is emissions are too high from everywhere.

 

The reason North Sea oil wells are being decommissioned is not that there is no oil, or the difficulty recovering it, it is the actual emissions flaming on the rigs.

Then at refineries & at cracking plants, and at power stations burning oil & gas. 

 

The big oil producing countries have their cartel and they decide the global pricing.

 

It is a very complicated world but nobody producing energy or selling it is losing money. 

34 minutes ago, Rooted said:

The big oil producing countries have their cartel and they decide the global pricing.

This right here is the real reason why all forms of energy are so expensive, it's all tied into the cost of oil rather than the actual cost of producing it, if stop this linkage then energy could cost everybody far less, but I doubt that will ever happen as money is what is worshipped the most.

Edited 7 January, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

We will also see if the EU and UK stop new ice vehicles being first registered from 2035.

 

We will see how things go when Petroineos closes the biggest part of Grangemouth and when any other Refineries or Cracking plants close in the UK.

 

Energy Security for road and transport fuels & other products might very rise greatly with the UK Government having no control other than taxing them, or taxing at lower rates.

 

..........

I was asking my young lad just this week about what they are being told and what they know about the North Sea Oil / Gas and they near and more distant future. His mates work there and around the world and plans are changing all the time over exploration and the various regions and what might happen.

It is changing all the time and their employers and owners of licences and rigs can change at the drop of a hat. 

Edited 7 January, 20242 yr by Rooted

Can the world really manage without fossil fuels for evs without going nuclear?

 

 

 

Yes Scotland can.  Wales & Northern Ireland as well, but England is up a creak and failed to act quickly in ordering paddles. 

 

But then there are objectors to more Pumped Storage in Scotland just this week, another stoochy then to the Pylons, the battery storage and more solar farms.

 

I say first and foremost cut energy to those who object and are more concerned by their view than the cost of living / energy.

What makes me laugh about many in new builds in the countryside is their property is built on what used to be agricultural land / countryside.

 

a few short years and Scotland's only Nuclear Power Station will close & there is no new one on the horizon.

As it is we are paying for the clean up of what there was for hundreds of years to come and that is in the energy bills we pay now, as well as for green projects not yet approved and objected to and delayed for decades.

Edited 7 January, 20242 yr by Rooted