29 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Despite all the nay sayers like yourself TESLA will have the best selling car in 2023 and have shown the most powerful ICE car another drubbing down the quarter mile strip ie both cars over 1000 hp, ice car 500 lbs lighter and still drubed 3 nil. 

 

 

 

Not a nay sayer at all, Tesla already have the best-selling car anyway. I was just thinking that with all of Elon Musk's boasting about having the best car, that it was a shame that his engineering and customer service didn't match his boast.

17 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Not a nay sayer at all, Tesla already have the best-selling car anyway. I was just thinking that with all of Elon Musk's boasting about having the best car, that it was a shame that his engineering and customer service didn't match his boast.

 

His engineering is putting audi, seat, skoda and vw and the other non Chinese car makers out of business.

 

Customer service is not what some have come to expect and the best service comes from ev specialist mechanics some who travel to one's home. Generally reliable cars with a fractional of the servicing of ice cars from what I gave heard from ev specialist servicing guys.

 

Hope 2024 brings me a salary sacrifice model 3 or Y, not decided but nice not to have to pays the luxury road tax on the std range model 3 now after the recent price cut to below £40k rrp.

 

The Model 3 droplink is known issue and I remember mentioned by Kate and James or RSymons in one of their video. It is covered under warranty but not a recall.

 

"Just get a Tesla" guy recent video shows MY rear hatch latch issue and he got it replaced under warranty. Apparently a known issue. His car is probably same batch as my car because he also took delivery in early September 2022. So I'll be using rear hatch a bit more to hopefully make it fail within 4 yr warranty.

 

VAG will replace water pump free of charge under warranty if it failed within warranty period, but would decline warranty claim a few months out of warranty. My Octavia had water pump leak a few month out of 3 yr warranty, guess who had to foot the bill.

 

All cars have issues, getting dealerships to recognise the issue and make warranty claim from manufacturer is often a battle in itself. Tesla operate differently and some warranty claims are easier, some are harder.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

The Model 3 droplink is known issue and I remember mentioned by Kate and James or RSymons in one of their video. It is covered under warranty but not a recall.

 

"Just get a Tesla" guy recent video shows MY rear hatch latch issue and he got it replaced under warranty. Apparently a known issue. His car is probably same batch as my car because he also took delivery in early September 2022. So I'll be using rear hatch a bit more to hopefully make it fail within 4 yr warranty.

 

VAG will replace water pump free of charge under warranty if it failed within warranty period, but would decline warranty claim a few months out of warranty. My Octavia had water pump leak a few month out of 3 yr warranty, guess who had to foot the bill.

 

All cars have issues, getting dealerships to recognise the issue and make warranty claim from manufacturer is often a battle in itself. Tesla operate differently and some warranty claims are easier, some are harder.

 

Ah the VAG water pump issue.

Had it happen on my little 1.4 litre diesel, was just out of warranty and would have cost nearly £1k to fix, got it done for £750 by an ex Skoda dealership.

All very well having a car that can do 70 mpg but when it is so difficult, time consuming and therefore labour expensive just to change a water pump, oh and you may as well change the thermostat and something else whilst you are down there the bill mounts up.  So much more pleasant with a nice simple EV.

 

Lithium prices dropped to one fifth of what it was at the start of 2023 so much cheaper battery pack will be on the way and therefore much cheaper EVs. No subsidies needed.

 

If the droplink is a known issue then while it may not be that much of an issue to do a recall, it certainly should be service item that is to be replaced FOC at the next service and the fact recorded to prevent any unnecessary incidents happening. 

They are like VW Group and it is not a Recall unless they decide it is Safety Critical and in the UK tell the DVSA / DfT. or are told by them to do a recall.

VW Group can tell the DVSA that they will do voluntary recalls and then not, or that they are not necessary and the work shop campaign will pick up the few that might have issues.

 

The percentage failing can have them deciding if they will wing it.   The thing is not all do Servicing regularly and EV,s are maybe 2 years or more before looked at, 

maybe just a visual and a brake fluid change as with MINI / Skoda etc. 

 

There are serious stuff that slips without RECALLS.   Corporate Responsibility is something that really is pathetic when there are fatalities that are from a known fault or something potentially faulty.  

Directors, CEO,s / Heid yins are the ones that should carry the can, need to get Soap on a rope at Christmas. 

5 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

If the droplink is a known issue then while it may not be that much of an issue to do a recall, it certainly should be service item that is to be replaced FOC at the next service and the fact recorded to prevent any unnecessary incidents happening. 

Ah here lays the problem. Tesla taunts "no service". There are regular maintenance recommendations but no service requirement. I don't have to do any service to maintain the 4 year warranty. As such, "schedule a service" in the app gets the user to raise a concern or ask for service work to be done. So traditional idea of fixed interval service is not something can be relied upon in Tesla ownership.

 

But similarly, why didn't VAG dealership do the infamous waterpump during service?

With Leaf, I had some sort of earthing service item done during service FoC.

 

Could I "raise a concern" with the rear tail hatch and see if I can get it changed because it's a known issue? I may try it.

I tried something similar with Octavia's 2.0 TDI, where I found details of service bulletin for firmware update on the ECU to cure warm weather engine cranking issue (takes longer to crank in warm weather). The dealership guy just asked "where did I get this info", want to charge half hour diagnostic fee, book it in for another date and would not entertain it is warranty related.
 

 

Edited 29 December, 20232 yr by wyx087
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5 hours ago, wyx087 said:

But similarly, why didn't VAG dealership do the infamous water pump during service?

With Leaf, I had some sort of earthing service item done during service FoC.

 

Could I "raise a concern" with the rear tail hatch and see if I can get it changed because it's a known issue? I may try it.

Ok, I'm tempting fate here, what is this infamous VAG water pump issue then? I have had 4 Passats in 12 years, 5 Superbs in 20 years making it 32 years straight that I have VAG cars and never had a water pump problem.

 

I don't see why you can't raise a concern about the tail hatch latch if its a commonly known problem. Its costs nothing to ask about it, although there is a good chance that they may try and fob you off if the reports are anything to go by.

This part of Canada looks pretty good for availability of chargers. 

 Charging to 80% maybe only had the car with 75 miles range though and taking it to 90% is not much longer,

or even to 100%, but he did not need that range i suppose unlike anyone venturing out in Scotland today in a EV with a limited range who might be ignoring the weather warnings.

 

 

 

I gather than charging is pretty good in Canada along Highway 1 and those roads close the St Lawrence and 90% of Canadian live within a hundred miles of the US border ie along a strip just north of the 49th parallel or in Southern Ontario where I partly grew up, I am named after the river ie Lawrence not lol-lol as sister could not say Lawrence hence lol-lol.

 

All along the St Lawrence anf Great Lakes shores and then out West to Vancouver Island there is charging at it has become an EV challenge to do the cross Canada drive, about 4400 miles or 7500 kms in metric money.  Takes about a week to drive,  as below 18 charge stops for a big battery ID4, Teslas have done it too.  Five times more than the John O'Groats to Lands End by my maths.  Only did the Calgary to Vancouver few years ago and that was quite a journey but that was via Banff and Jasper and not straight.  May favourite country so far but I have yet to do NZ which could run Canada for top spot I reckon. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 30 December, 20232 yr by lol-lol

4 hours ago, Rooted said:

This part of Canada looks pretty good for availability of chargers. 

 Charging to 80% maybe only had the car with 75 miles range though and taking it to 90% is not much longer,

or even to 100%, but he did not need that range i suppose unlike anyone venturing out in Scotland today in a EV with a limited range who might be ignoring the weather warnings.

 

 

 

What a nice considerate EV driver to leave the other charger for others to use, well done that man.

Nice, lots of us think of others.

but it is necessary to understand he can only charge DC up to 50 kW on the CCS anyway and he was charging so little and quickly that he could  have been on the 11 kW AC if he wanted to head off leaving the car.

No point him being on a 100 kW charger. 

 

As to getting a shift on to get the battery hot.

He could of gone flat out at 94 MPH and honestly it would have made no difference from going at 60 mph to how quick it charged in cold weather on the 50 kW charger.

 

My last charges in the Cold.

10 kWh on a BP Pulse 27 minutes. To 100%  68-99%. 

15 kWh on a BP Pulse , 17% - 67%  only 20 mins.

17 kW  to 100% 41 minutes. CPS.

He was charging to 80% so quicker than i charge going to 99 or 100%

 

I have 9% to 87% in 47 minutes for 24 kWh. 

That charger was slow and i arrived having been on the Motorway.

 

PS.

@ around 0*oC 45 miles and charging at home is costing me £3.88

so 90 miles £7.76 or there abouts.   21 pence a kWh tariff.   

 41 pence a kWh Local Public charging is too expensive & above that crazy & paying too much to be in an EV IMO.

@ 35 pence a kWh i am paying about 10 pence a mile. 

 

Edited 30 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

26 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

What a nice considerate EV driver to leave the other charger for others to use, well done that man.

 

Exactly what I find with most other EV drivers, chargers.

 

Not come across commercial van drivers, of which there are tens of thousands of commercial ev vans now as i would tend to give way to them to make their living.

 

Do not know about Tesla drivers, suspect might be a few  nobs amongst them who have just moved to evs as a tax dodge which is one good reason but like to think there is more than that to it.

 

As Zoe can charge at 22 kW AC with its Comealen charger it is little skin off my nose to release my DC charge and leap on to AC. 

 

Did not that some DC chargers auto release at full charge ie none to little charge happening so on can knick the charger off another car if it stops charging. Soul stops charging at 80% or 94% depending on model !

 

 

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

I gather than charging is pretty good in Canada along Highway 1 and those roads close the St Lawrence and 90% of Canadian live within a hundred miles of the US border ie along a strip just north of the 49th parallel or in Southern Ontario where I partly grew up, I am named after the river ie Lawrence not lol-lol as sister could not say Lawrence hence lol-lol.

 

All along the St Lawrence anf Great Lakes shores and then out West to Vancouver Island there is charging at it has become an EV challenge to do the cross Canada drive, about 4400 miles or 7500 kms in metric money.  Takes about a week to drive,  as below 18 charge stops for a big battery ID4, Teslas have done it too.  Five times more than the John O'Groats to Lands End by my maths.  Only did the Calgary to Vancouver few years ago and that was quite a journey but that was via Banff and Jasper and not straight.  May favourite country so far but I have yet to do NZ which could run Canada for top spot I reckon. 

 

 

 

 

18 stops for charging, I could do that trip with 7 fill ups, just saying. Then I could actually stop anywhere of my choosing along the route for breaks, rather than being dictated whereby the availability of chargers. 😉

Edited 30 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

14 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

18 stops for charging, I could do that trip with 7 fill ups, just saying. Then I could actually stop anywhere of my choosing along the route for breaks, rather than being dictated whereby the availability of chargers. 😉

And, of course, if you need another few miles to reach a planned destination an ICE will allow you to do a splash and dash that takes maybe 10 minutes from decision to stopped and back to highway speed.

23 hours ago, Paws4Thot said:

And, of course, if you need another few miles to reach a planned destination an ICE will allow you to do a splash and dash that takes maybe 10 minutes from decision to stopped and back to highway speed.

 

Most of us splash and dash with EVs also, all i have ever done on expensive on route chargers and the use destination, visit or breakfast, lunch or dinner place chargers so very little actual having to stop to only charge.

 

If in a real press then can eat my Ginsters on the move and drink my red bull but I try and avoid such driving pressures these days.  Much rather drive in the evening, get a hotel, charge at hotel, destination or food, rest stops.

 

EV manufacturers are rolling out 1000 km range car now and tech is improving some 10% per year whereas pure ice is going backwards with adblu systems adding cost and weight.

 

ID4, like the Skoda EV, are not the best EVs in class hence VAG giving up for a while on EVs.

 

Edited 31 December, 20232 yr by lol-lol

Why do people keep saying what an ICE vehicle can do?

Is everyone on here not familiar with petrol, diesel or LPG vehicles and have ones or had ones and bee used to putting in fuel?

 

No idea the difference of the cost of public charging in Canada compared to buying Gasoline or Diesel. 

That would be useful to know.

2 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Why do people keep saying what an ICE vehicle can do?

Is everyone on here not familiar with petrol, diesel or LPG vehicles and have ones or had ones and bee used to putting in fuel?

 

No idea the difference of the cost of public charging in Canada compared to buying Gasoline or Diesel. 

That would be useful to know.

 

Oh quite cheap is fossil juice.

 

Car I hired a few years ago was a 2.4 litre kia sportage.  Poor on fuel consumption compared to turbo version just starting to be released but fuel was much cheaper than UK so people were still buying gas guzzlers as they were couple of thousand  CAN$ cheaper. What went along with that was poor range of the rental ice, less than 400 miles I recall.

 

Subsidies for buying evs in 🇨🇦 and cheaper running costs.  

 

I would prefer an ev in southern Canada but would stick with ice in more northern areas of Canada.

 

24 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Oh quite cheap is fossil juice.

 

Car I hired a few years ago was a 2.4 litre kia sportage.  Poor on fuel consumption compared to turbo version just starting to be released but fuel was much cheaper than UK so people were still buying gas guzzlers as they were couple of thousand  CAN$ cheaper. What went along with that was poor range of the rental ice, less than 400 miles I recall.

 

Subsidies for buying evs in 🇨🇦 and cheaper running costs.  

 

I would prefer an ev in southern Canada but would stick with ice in more northern areas of Canada.

 

Very true, cheap fossil fuel supply does not encourage users to think green at all. All the great oil producing countries love their gas guzzlers and that's one reason why the overall air quality is so bad. If these vehicles were to be replaced with say a maximum of 2.5 litre turbocharged engines we would all be better breathing cleaner air. 

6 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Very true, cheap fossil fuel supply does not encourage users to think green at all. All the great oil producing countries love their gas guzzlers and that's one reason why the overall air quality is so bad. If these vehicles were to be replaced with say a maximum of 2.5 litre turbocharged engines we would all be better breathing cleaner air. 

 

Kia and many cars in Canada are 4 wheel drive to cope with winter driving.

 

EVs are easier to make all wheel drive, cost wise. New Toyota Prius have a 4 wheel drive version, rear motor is tiny ie about 10 hp I recall, just to get the car moving or moving in snow, clever idea, Toyota not completely loss the plot it was good to hear.

 

 

 

 

WTF, 87p a KWh, surely to god if EV's are to be the motive power of the future that pricing model has to get to be stamped out, even the Tesla and Porsche system is totally unfair. If liquid fuel had such a massive price swing there would be regulators crawling all over the system.

 

Yes, before anybody says it, I know that there are loyalty cards for some brands of liquid fuels, but they only offer about 1p a litre discount, back at some point in the future, if and only if you have accumulated enough points to earn £5 at a time back so everybody pays the same price at the pump.

Instavolt now 85 pence a kWh.

£8.50 for 10 kWh and if you are getting 4 miles a kWh then 40 miles, but if only 2.7 miles / kWh then 27 miles.  

It is really crazy. 

54 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Instavolt now 85 pence a kWh.

£8.50 for 10 kWh and if you are getting 4 miles a kWh then 40 miles, but if only 2.7 miles / kWh then 27 miles.  

It is really crazy. 

This is really proving my point for me, EV cars only really make real sense (ignoring the emissions at this point) if you do more local journeys than you do journeys where you need to use public charge points, as opposed to home charging, especially if it is your own car. Company cars are different because you are effectively being paid to spend time at charging points.