'At most filling stations'   What crap, maybe there is a majority of such places and we know where, but what about the siingle maned / womaned places.

 

But like i say, maybe local places or places people know where there is help available.

Disabled drivers know about such stuff. 

 

The dude in the video has head for thinking and feet for dancing on the pedals.    When having balanced discussions best think, or try walking in others shoes.

 

Next time filling up see how you would get stopped at a pump or before going to a pump, getting the chair out and going to an intercom or flash your lights, or phone the kiosk .

** Clear displayed phone numbers on the filling station forecourt would be 'simply clever'.**

and then get your assistance filling up. Maybe.

Do that at out of hours but open self service places.   The Security / safety people might appear at that ASDA>

 

Point being there are all sorts of issues for all sorts of people. 

Edited 25 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

Sorry about that, I can only write as I find. Most filling stations at nighttime are only staffed by a single person and I have heard them talking over the intercom, which incidently is at each pump location, and they will, if there are other people filling up, ask them to assist, or lock the place up and exit the office to assist and then unlock again afterwards.

 

Clearly there is zero assistance at some stations day or night, and Asda springs to my mind here as our local store has 24/7 unmanned pumps and only take debit/credit cards at the pump, as that dude said, and I can see that trend continuing as supermarkets themselves are actively removing manned checkouts in their stores and fitting self-service tills, which I try to avoid like the plague and shop where they still employ people.

 

I have seen people waving their disability parking badges at the people in the kiosk and flashing their lights to attract help, and it has worked.

 

Why is Scotland any different?

 

PS. Merry Christmas to you.

 

 

Edited 25 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

Merry Christmas.   The point is Scotland is not different, it is a big place and different in different regions.   Like in the RofUK.   Diverse.   Diverse for EV charging and so far in all of the UK car park fires seem rare.  Death by EV electricity in garages and body shops as well.     Maybe more specialist body repairers of EV,s are coming.  And like JLR are doing, arranging Insurance Under writers.       Things are moving for what the future brings.   People just need to open their minds and think.  Maybe stop thinking others do not think before purchases and their situation. Locations, or abilities. 

10 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

and others who say, I'm not watching x or y. my time is too precious, but they also expect others to hang onto every word that they say because they think that only they have their finger on the pulse and what ever anyone else has to say is just plain silly or wrong. These are the people who are certain people's wet dream because they will do whatever they say because they just simply agree with their viewpoint without ever looking at things from any other angles and seeing if their beliefs are valid or not.

 

Poor people, they sound like they are in desperate need of the wisdom someone like you who can read their minds.

7 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Merry Christmas.   The point is Scotland is not different, it is a big place and different in different regions.   Like in the RofUK.   Diverse.   Diverse for EV charging and so far in all of the UK car park fires seem rare.  Death by EV electricity in garages and body shops as well.     Maybe more specialist body repairers of EV,s are coming.  And like JLR are doing, arranging Insurance Under writers.       Things are moving for what the future brings.   People just need to open their minds and think.  Maybe stop thinking others do not think before purchases and their situation. Locations, or abilities. 

Thanks for this, but that is what I took from the video is what is required, maybe you didn't understand. It is not a one size fits all situation and that people need to be mindful of others. He also ends up his video saying that there needs to be more to enticement for people to ditch the fossil fuel, polluting vehicles to get into EVs.

 

Cleary one of us did not fully grasp what he was actually saying, I thought he made the argument for EV's but that there needed to be loads more done before it could become available to everyone both in the infrastructure and their range, or there again maybe I was just dreaming that, or whatever...

2035 before anyone needs to be concerned at not getting a new ICE car in the UK and then years before there might be any issue on purchasing fuel for them.

How prices go before then, or where they can be driven or parked is anyone's guess. How much choice there is of ICE vehicles to purchase new in the UK is again anyones guess,

It is just as well the countries in the British Isles are not short of vehicles for seeing drivers through another 2 decades.

That again is not the point being made. 

22 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

@lol-lol Boot space in all town/city cars is going to be compromised, especially for carrying a pram, and also shopping for a more mature family, owing to the larger amount of shopping required. My eldest son has a Ford Focus (diesel) and the car only has to carry shopping for him and his girlfriend, and sometimes it has to spill over onto the back seat. Its never a good idea to stack bags either as things tend to get squashed or broken and end up being thrown away and wasted, I know that even with my massive boot, I often have to put things on the rear seats and on the floor behind front seats.

 

Zoe looks like a city car ie short, tall, non-aero but always had the longest of the small EV range, just do not ask it to get good range if you cruise at or above National Speed Limit, better to hold near a mile a minute to get good range.  Added the false boot floor to mine which robs a few cubic feet and not great having the cables in the boot when one has a boot full of pram or other luggage.  This is why the frunk is such a good idea and EV makes should have worked harder to have frunk space for those charge leads.

 

The Kia Soul, massive hit in the US with over a million sales,  Soul EVs mainly sold in California and the a few other "enlightened" states with EV infrastructure.  Again the false boot floor to put the "granny" and Chademo cable were suppose to go there but again below that can be a pain.  Boot is sub 300 litres which is a surprise for the mark 2 Soul EV which is less than the Zoe.

 

Will actually try the pram in the Zoe and then some of the other 5 year old plus EVs.  Amazing how the well thought of Ionic has kept its value compared to similar EVs.

 

There is a big difference with first generation Kia Soul EV,s and not much range then the 2nd generation and more range and the excellent latest ones.   Much cheapness early ones were what I tried a few years back. Getting just the range a MINI electric does with them.

  

41 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Amazing how the well thought of Ionic has kept its value compared to similar EVs.

Yep, the "classic" Ioniq is very well regarded because it's a great EV. Mainly due to efficiency and rapid charging speed despite the smallish battery. The original 28 kWh version bests 40 kWh Leaf in Bjorn's 1000 km challenge.

 

Unfortunately for £8k, you'd be in the era before usable non-city EV such as the Ioniq.

 

If it is their only car, I don't think an EV is suitable replacement due to budget constraints. Although a left-field option is Vauxhall Ampera PHEV, it has 40+ miles EV range and motor to generate power, more than a lot of PHEV's today. Downside is that battery lives in the huge transmission tunnel and it's a 4-seater, cabin space is cramped. I considered it before getting an Octavia.

 

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News: Infrastructure is improving at staggering pace.

 

500 rapid chargers installed in December: https://twitter.com/WattsUp/status/1738878142478012922

 

 

No Christmas holiday queue at charge points.... so far: https://twitter.com/au_tom_otive/status/1738588682641088933

 

53 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Downside is that battery lives in the huge transmission tunnel and it's a 4-seater, cabin space is cramped. I considered it before getting an Octavia.

 

Some would see that as a massive upside as it means that the battery is being given extra protection against being struck from beneath, such as bottoming out on aggressive speed bumps (something my son's Ford Focus does) and also of course added protect from floods, no?

Protecting batteries or under carriages of vehicles is not a huge engineering challenge and it has been done as has designing and building vehicles that can wade through water be them road vehicles , soft roaders or offroaders.

 

Maybe some companies have baIIsed up and need back to the drawing board, the board room and to dealerships and employees. 

 

As to aggressive speed bumps, they are actually impassive and lay there waiting for those not slowing or dealing with what is there in front of them.

 

They are a pita for emergency vehicles and maybe those low or overladen vehicles and maybe those with design or engineering issues. 

Come down this neck of the woods and I'll gladly show you some aggressive bumps, even at 10mph they are more than capable of making life unpleasant for the occupants! I must admit I had a chortle at them being passive 😉 though. 

There are speed deduction devises everywhere and down your way likely no more severe than elsewhere.  Hundreds, thousands will be go over them and every now and again some plonkers does it too fast or without a vehicle suitable to go over.  Nearly everyone else with a similar car will know to take care.   It is how things are.  Most just get on with things and moan and some moan and the issue is really one that is how life is.     Some will put it on YouTube or X as cluckbait.     Like these flooded battery EV s.   Time a warning ⚠️ is needed.    Use your loaf.   We built cars that might not be fit for purpose standard from the factory, and lower at your peril. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 25 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

This just now was on the BBC news site so over to the man in the region for comments, Rooted, Scotland.

 

'My electric car dreams turned into a nightmare' - BBC News

 

Thanks.

The link is in the thread i started this morning about EV,s and those with mobility or infirmities or just issues using public chargers. 

Oh, I haven't seen that thread yet. 

Following a news article on the BBC about Tesla's trying to deflect warranty claims, I wondered if there was any truth in the claim at all so while looking to conform or debunk it, I came across this and there are others by Reuters and the like, so it looks like they may well be some substance in the story?

 

Tesla Model S, 3, X & Y Suspension Issues: Owners Discuss Defective Parts (insideevs.com) 

The video i posted yesterday on the strip down of a Tesla Cybertruck including a mention on how the rear sway bar is not as hefty (paraphrase) as other Tesla cars.

 

This i watched a while back.

 

Front 12 minutes.

Rear.16 minutes.

17 min 41 seconds.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 28 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

You don't expect that kind of problem with what is supposed to be a premium brand, well not on any new car really do you. 

Actually i would expect that there could be design and engineering issues with new models / vehicles being designed and manufactured by new companies.

But then it is how the issues are addressed and dealt with.

 

It is companies with 100 years plus of manufacturing vehicles that i find can be disappointing when generation after generation they build in the same faults or worry more about simply clever features but forget about the engineering and quality control and can not get things as simple as registration plate lights on cars and not be rust traps. 

Oh, thats a given, but the suspension breaking and control arms etc, don't expect that to happen with all the hard and extensive testing that they are supposed be given under the harshest of conditions, but I suppose we can cut them a little slack, as to test them in the same really tough conditions that they test ICE cars in would be a little difficult without the infrastructure / support items being in place.

 

Trouble is though that the items that are snapping etc are major safety items and I suspect maybe they have tried to compensate for the extra weight of the batteries by trimming other items down in thickness etc to safe some weight so as not to impact on the acceleration so the can market the performance? 

Edited 28 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

They certainly have an issue.   The Regulators / Courts / Agencies in the USA and Canada will surely see that Tesla are doing the right thing.  Well you might expect them to.

 

The Drop Links are an issue with the Stellantis BEV,s.  Not up to the job of the vehicles that were ICE models and then engineered to be EV,s. 

 

VW Group seem to have an issue with DQ381 DSG,s which has appeared quicker than the DQ200 issues appeared.

Maybe a very big issue that VW Group need to address because it is costing those with vehicles out of warranty a lot of money to have repairs. 

 

PS

Do you really think Tesla,s were not properly tested before production because Cold or Hot regions had no EV charging available? 

 

 

 

 

Edited 28 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

@RootedNo not really, just sort of thinking out loud really, I guess that they would do the same as Audi, take mobile chargers with them.

10 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@RootedNo not really, just sort of thinking out loud really, I guess that they would do the same as Audi, take mobile chargers with them.

 

Despite all the nay sayers like yourself TESLA will have the best selling car in 2023 and have shown the most powerful ICE car another drubbing down the quarter mile strip ie both cars over 1000 hp, ice car 500 lbs lighter and still drubed 3 nil. 

 

 

 

Edited 28 December, 20232 yr by lol-lol