This is just how it is getting in more areas / regions of Scotland.

Large amounts of Money spent by Councils from Tax Payers money going to SWARCO / e-Volt and Boyd Brothers and consultants and others.

Too expensive and just not getting used.

Now there are commercial charging at the same cost and sometimes less.

 

Anyone hiring EV,s at the Airport and that have to return the cars with 75% charge might not even be able to do that near the airport before return or are paying this sort of price.

Above Glasgow is the huge Whitelees Windfarm and generating electricity in Scotland is so easy, storing it not so and it is exported and these are the crazy tariffs for charging. 

 

 

Edited 14 January, 20242 yr by Rooted

The Audi driver will have decided that nobody is liable to be wanting to charge and if they do there is plenty space.

(Plenty space like at the car park at the other side of the building.)

Muppet is done boarding today. 

37 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Muppet is done boarding today. 

Typical Audi driver 😆

Dragon charging + 1 have joined the Electroverse charging network.

 

No pre authorisation fees, a discount on charging costs.

 

MacMaster you muppet.

 

Hertz selling 20k EV's from its fleet sound like a lot. But one has to remember Hertz bought 100k Tesla's back in 2021, they also offer Polestar and many other brands of EV. 

https://electrek.co/2021/10/25/hertz-orders-100000-teslas-the-single-largest-ev-purchase-ever/

 

There is also element that public isn't ready for EV. Rental company now need to balance their fleet alongside population's experience and expectation. Putting people with zero EV experience into EV's will not end well. But at the same time, they got to maintain a suitably sized fleet of EV's for people who prefer those cars. Unlike petrol/diesel, there is a now a strong preference for type of cars from some people, myself included. 

 

 

Hertz planned to buy 100k Teslas' back in 2021, but it seems as if only 60k have been delivered or more have already been sold, and the 20k being sold represents a significant percentage of it's fleet, leaving only 40k in its fleet according to CNBC. It claims to be 33% of its total fleet of EV's, including Polestars, and more.

Edited 15 January, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

lol @ the irony of Hertz getting rid of EVs. One a second?  

5 minutes ago, @Lee said:

lol @ the irony of Hertz getting rid of EVs. One a second?  

 

Cycle that by me one time more, I needed to hear with frequency to get it.

 

And so it begins, the utter madness of local authorities, who would seem are working against central government.  

 

 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

And so it begins, the utter madness of local authorities, who would seem are working against central government.  

 

 

 

At least those northern dockyard and Hampshire council folks allow the use of outside cable covers.  

Does the cable cover go down only when charging ??

Does it need to be cut to length ?

Will it curl and is there a trip hazard or issue with the car side of the cable ?  As blind people use their stick to tap along the edge of the curb sometimes ?

 

Fortunately Sainsburys and the other supermarkets, about 10,000 locations, are rolling out fast and rapid chargers at their sites over the next year or so and therefore less of any issue going forward.

 

What is the progression of less of the housing stock being terraced etc and more being suburban with driveways ?  My first house, not flat, had a garage in block just over the way, that would have worked.

 

  

 

 

Edited 15 January, 20242 yr by lol-lol

This is part of the problem, as I've always maintained, for this to work the governments of the world have to ensure that nobody is denied the ability of charging at home, which currently is not possible, even with cable covers such as the one in the video because so many people have more than one vehicle at an address and this trend is likely to continue growing as wages continues its downward spiral and house prices continue their upward spiral social housing carries on its trend of reduction. That means that there will be more cases of offspring not being able to flee the family nest, getting married and continuing to live at home with parents and hence more vehicles at each property, for instance, 2 of my neighbours have 9 or 10 vehicles between them, which are all in use by various family members and then there are many families in the street with children and so that problem is going to be further compounded as they become old enough to have cars of their own.

 

The whole mandating of only new zero emission vehicles only being for sale in 2035 or sooner is poorly thought out. For it to work they must ensure anyone is catered for and is not excluded or an alternative type of fuel needs to be in place and not something that is rushed through that sometime later on down the road, major problems are discovered with the and the planet is in a worse position than it is now.

 

Even compressed natural gas which has greatly reduced toxic emissions for instance can result in major hazards that extremely dangerous as well in their own right

 

 

This is the text that can only seen if watching the video on YouTube, just clicking on the link embedded in our posts does not expose any text that needs to be considered as well to fully explain the contents of a video so that it is not taken out of context.

 

446,348 views Apr 20, 2022

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This is a video of actual fire Dept callout and their response to a real bus fire which started in the drivers glove box, so not a diesel, CNG or BEV fuelled fire but one that quite possibly started from a small Li-on battery in a mobile phone, tablet or a vape etc.

 

Bus fire - VOLUNTEERS DUTCH FIRE FIGHTERS - (youtube.com)

 

 

3,340,630 views Oct 7, 2023 LUNTEREN

Lunteren Fire Department: A bus driver sees smoke coming from his glove compartment. He decides to park his bus on the side of the road and call 911. The Lunteren fire brigade is alerted. When they arrive, the fire brigade sees that the bus is actually on fire and the water truck from Kootwijkerbroek is also called. Firefighter Erik had just passed as a driver. This was his very first appearance with the fire truck.

I'm not sure why you posted that as it doesn't appear to be an EV and your claim that it 'quite possibly started from a small Li-on battery in a mobile phone, tablet or a vape etc.' has nothing to substantiate it. It could equally have started due to faulty electrics.
 

3/10 Must try harder.

22 minutes ago, @Lee said:

I'm not sure why you posted that as it doesn't appear to be an EV and your claim that it 'quite possibly started from a small Li-on battery in a mobile phone, tablet or a vape etc.' has nothing to substantiate it. It could equally have started due to faulty electrics.
 

3/10 Must try harder.

What a low score 🤣, posted it as I thought it might have been of interest to see a real live fire response to a bus. If that had an been EV or that CNG bus the time it took them to respond they might have been in time to see the complete bus destroyed before even getting a hose deployed. 🤔

 

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Why drive that van unless you want to or need to for work.  If he collects & delivers them it is not him paying the charging, same as he would not pay the fuel. 

 

140 miles range suits many for local town work. 

Running them suits businesses who get incentives to do that.   It might jut be the employees that have to suffer. 

 

Maths not his strong point if home chargers do get electric at 7 pence a kWh.

10 x 7 would get you to 70 pence.      But it is 79 pence there. 

 

 

 

Edited 15 January, 20242 yr by Rooted

18 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Hertz planned to buy 100k Teslas' back in 2021, but it seems as if only 60k have been delivered or more have already been sold, and the 20k being sold represents a significant percentage of it's fleet, leaving only 40k in its fleet according to CNBC. It claims to be 33% of its total fleet of EV's, including Polestars, and more.

Source? 

My first question would be.

 

What is the turn over of Hertz fleet of hire cars normally?   In the USA, & in Canada and Globally.

 

Many many manufacturers use Fleet / Hire Companies to have vehicles First Registered.    They supply them cheap.

In the EU & UK they are doing that to meet Average C02 emissions.

 

There are so many Polestar Hire Cars in Scotland and really they seem to be not doing much where i see them parked up / stored. 

Edited 16 January, 20242 yr by Rooted

19 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Hertz planned to buy 100k Teslas' back in 2021, but it seems as if only 60k have been delivered or more have already been sold, and the 20k being sold represents a significant percentage of it's fleet, leaving only 40k in its fleet according to CNBC. It claims to be 33% of its total fleet of EV's, including Polestars, and more.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/11/24034462/hertz-ev-sell-one-third-fleet-ice-tesla-polestar-used

This article claims the 2021 100k Tesla acquisition was completed. Where did you get 60k delivered from? 

 

Remember it's been 2+ years since 2021. About time refresh is happening. 

 

 

edit: perhaps extrapolating from thin air again? 

Edited 16 January, 20242 yr by wyx087

If you care to revisit the post that Rooted posted it is there for you, both in the video and in the article and this been backed up by other sources. The internet is full of this storey. If 100k was delivered and selling 20k equates 33% of their EV fleet, then that means that only had 60k in the first place. 

 

It is also interesting because the sources are also quoting that part of the reason is the high maintenance costs of them. And they also state they have some Polestar among their fleet left, kind of suggesting that if they had 100k of Telsas in 2021, then they must of sold even more before the latest report was last week. 

 

Maybe the actual truth is something in between these figures, who knows? 

 

Edit. I just read the latest post from @Rooted where he provided further evidence of these figures and one of those quoted they only had 50k of EVs in their global fleet. So simple maths means subtracting 20k now leaves them 30k globally, if you can rely on the reports. 

Edited 16 January, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

Thanks for explanation Graham. 

 

 

BMW CFO: sales growth is mostly electric as combustion engine 'tipping point' passes 

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/bmw-cfo-sales-growth-is-mostly-electric-combustion-engine-tipping-point-passes-2024-01-15/

 

Only 15% "all-electric" sale last year, how is this tipping point? 

@wyx087Even if you read the post that you referred to https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/11/24034462/hertz-ev-sell-one-third-fleet-ice-tesla-polestar-used, it also says that they shedding 20k of EV's including Telsa model 3, Chevy Bolt, and BMW i3, leaves them with just 40k EV's. It also backs up the maths that the 20k is a third of its fleet so it would throw some doubt on the claim of Hertz buying 100k of Tesla's.

 

Quote "The rental car agency said in a regulatory filing today that it will sell 20,000 vehicles, or roughly one-third of its global EV fleet, and use that money to buy gas guzzlers."

That quote also suggests that there is maybe some truth in the claim that maintenance costs of EV's are too high and also that the public do not want to rent EV's

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

also that the public do not want to rent EV's

I'm taking a short winter break on Madeira next month and have been looking at car rental costs - and will end up renting a petrol car because the costs of renting an EV are nearly twice as much. Yes I know there's fuel costs as well, but on a small island like Madeira in only a week you can't do many miles so fuel costs won't make up the difference.

 

The headline cost of renting an EV needs to be much closer to the cost of renting a petrol/diesel car for private individuals to stop scrolling and click on the EV.

Edited 16 January, 20242 yr by PetrolDave

15 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Thanks for explanation Graham. 

 

 

BMW CFO: sales growth is mostly electric as combustion engine 'tipping point' passes 

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/bmw-cfo-sales-growth-is-mostly-electric-combustion-engine-tipping-point-passes-2024-01-15/

 

Only 15% "all-electric" sale last year, how is this tipping point? 

Agreed, 15% is only a very small percentage of their sales, it would seem that the narrative we are being fed globally about EV's is not being matched by actual facts, so one of them is factual and the other BS, which is it? Or of course there is the possibility that neither are factual??

Edited 16 January, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher