1 minute ago, lol-lol said:

Modern way is pick up high volumes of made cars from ports. Car transporting or even using trains is clearly much less efficient that being really close to a port and sticking hundreds or thousands on a ship.

So what is BMW's logic in keeping MINI production at Oxford? You can't get much further from a port! And the Government grant they were offered is tiny in comparison to the real cost. 

7 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

So what is BMW's logic in keeping MINI production at Oxford? You can't get much further from a port! And the Government grant they were offered is tiny in comparison to the real cost. 

 

Is BMW keeping production of the EV at Oxford ? Keep hearing all sorts going on in respect of that. Many parts of industry in flux at the moment and perhaps cheaper to make in China and import to UK but not EU of course with its countervailing on Chinese EVs.

 

Expect BMW are having kittens planning all the options and strategies.

 

EV Production in Oxford stopped last year and they have just announced the future planned EV production in Oxford is binned.

 

But the MINI,s built there are still required to be trained to the port or put on transporters. But that is just how things are, they are not moving the factory. 

 

 

Edited 27 February, 20251 yr by Ootohere

2 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Just pointing out your logic:

You've previously stated "it's difficult to do X, it's more difficult to do X+Y" means a desire to do cohesion.

Here, you've used same sentence structure: "it might be possible (doubt due to difficulty) to do X, it's more difficult to do X+Y".

Therefore, by your logic, you must be the one doing cohesion, getting people into doing X+Y.

If you're going to quote me, quote me.

4 hours ago, Ootohere said:

EV Production in Oxford stopped last year and they have just announced the future planned EV production in Oxford is binned.

 

But the MINI,s built there are still required to be trained to the port or put on transporters. But that is just how things are, they are not moving the factory. 

 

 

So does that mean that the £600million new production line will not be going in, as it was to turn the whole site into the Mini EV manufacturing site, after securing a massive cash boost from the UK government, to secure that happening. What happens now to the jobs that would have secured and is the public cash boost being returned to the government?

How much did they get previously?    They are not taking the £60 million. I think that BMW knows that Car manufacturing will be uneconomic in the UK and they are not talking the small incentive from the UK to invest more into the plant in the UK.   They never will build EV,s.   Probably not ICE vehicles for much longer in the UK.   EV,s do need to be built near EV battery factories.   Less movement of just batteries.     

Edited 27 February, 20251 yr by Ootohere

12 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

I think that BMW knows that Car manufacturing will be uneconomic in the UK and they are not talking the small incentive from the UK to invest more into the plant in the UK.   They never will build EV,s.   Probably not ICE vehicles for much longer in the UK.   EV,s do need to be built near EV battery factories.   Less movement of just batteries.    

 

So near Bridgewater sometime in the future when that lithium battery is up and running next year ?

 

Edited 27 February, 20251 yr by lol-lol

2 hours ago, EnterName said:

If you're going to quote me, quote me.

I did here:

 

A post you screenshoted and accused me of not stating the point clearly.

 

The point is clearly stated in the bit you've quoted.

The UK can not generate the energy cheap enough for all it wants.  Battery factories.  AI data centres.  To process all the unemployment benefits for the manual workers and office and call centre staff not employable.  

Just now, Ootohere said:

The UK can not generate the energy cheap enough for all it wants.  Battery factories.  AI data centres.  To process all the unemployment benefits for the manual workers and office and call centre staff not employable.  

 

It will.

Dale Vince, the visionary who started the UK public charging network, investing millions in to new solar farms cover square miles. Cons not happy calling it all bent as he is a big Labour supporter of course.

 

8 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

It will.

Dale Vince, the visionary who started the UK public charging network, investing millions in to new solar farms cover square miles. Cons not happy calling it all bent as he is a big Labour supporter of course.

 

This is obviously something we won't agree on but I don't particularly take any delight in having large areas of the country given over to solar farms.

I don't suppose I'm alone in that either.

Dale Vince. Ecotricity and Forest Green Rovers 

2 minutes ago, Dieselgate said:

This is obviously something we won't agree on but I don't particularly take any delight in having large areas of the country given over to solar farms.

I don't suppose I'm alone in that either.

 

It does not have to only be for solar as the panels can be raised and sheep grazing still happen between the stilts of the panels.

Might even give them a bit of shelter during rain and the occasional blazing sun.

 

Roof top and over every single industrial buildings should have some level of solar installed. Just looking on people's roofs, it's clear there's still HUGE potential in this area alone.

 

This is UK grid mix over last few days, minus solar to clearly show blue gas being replaced, dips down during middle of the day. 

 

 

Imagine more solar and we see dip to almost zero in blue shading. Any reduction in blue shading area on this graph, displaced by renewable, are a win.

Quote

Why Reaching Net Zero Is Getting Cheaper in the UK

The Climate Change Committee set tighter emissions targets for the UK this week, yet it says the costs of hitting these goals will be lower than it anticipated five years ago.

 

https://archive.ph/TM2Y7#selection-1379.0-1385.175 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1894668928057585674.html

Edited 27 February, 20251 yr by Lee01

Let's just remember the elephant in the room.  The National Grid.    The non UK owned National Grid.  Profitable and never underpaid and always looking for more investments and money to spend while never not making huge profits for the owners.   Not fit for purpose yet all there is until there can be Regional Grids, with companies that can get local generated electricity for the local first and foremost.   Only when they have had what they want at their fair price should areas producing not enough be able to buy at a premium.     As it is it is the reverse of that with the National Grid.   

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

It does not have to only be for solar as the panels can be raised and sheep grazing still happen between the stilts of the panels.

Might even give them a bit of shelter during rain and the occasional blazing sun.

 

Equally though, with the rising population, and the need to reduce shipping foodstuff around the globe, not to mention the pending trade wars that Trump is stoking the fires of, we also need that land to grow as much of our own food as we can, do we not? That is incompatible with solar generation in the fields. That can be done on the rooftops and does not rob us of the valuable growing capacity.

 

There are loads of solar farms around my area, and there is no way of growing crops at the same time as generating power, the panels are just too close to each other that to happen.

Edited 27 February, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

The plan is 10% less ground given over to farming.  By 2050.  More nonsense and that will be England.    It will be for more houses built where people do not want Solar Farms or pylons.  Or turbines, battery farms or anything else spoiling the countryside.     Talk about idiots and that is really the general public.    Townies often. Like complained about Countryfile last Sunday.     That is the other subject.    Stopping eating meat to cut down  Emissions from livestock.     The livestock that will not need land.  Not to live on or to feed them.     But then townies do not need farms.  There are shops.   Supermarkets were fruit and veg should not be wrapped .   It can come from factories clean.   Like eggs and milk comes from factories.  

Edited 27 February, 20251 yr by Ootohere

The national grid is expensive and require more investment is because there's not enough demand side management.

 

That supply and demand graph I posted earlier clearly shows the peaks and troughs. Whole of that could be flat up to the maximum and we will get cheaper electricity simply because we are finally fully utilising the grid capability. There will be less unused capacity.

How do we use those unused capacity? By leveraging time-of-use tariff or smart charging.

 

It's like buying cars, people don't buy a giant 7 seat SUV for that one chance oversea relatives might come to visit.  But the grid unfortunately has to be built for that maximum possible demand.

You use the electricity to produce Green Hydrogen as is happening some places already. And you do not hold back Pumped hydro storage that had investors wanting to fund.   You allow the Battery Storage applications.      Obviously none of this might matter to the Capital City of England because they can get cheap electricity just because.   No need for anyone there to be bothered by how green or not green energy reached there.    Run pylons hundred of miles from where ever.  

The per unit electricity price in London is actually the most expensive. Albeit the variations are tiny.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/what-are-the-price-cap-unit-rates-/#unitrates

 

In addition to your list of things, also need to start doing proper (bigger difference) regional pricing.

 

 

 

Dundee makes no electricity. Where does he get Where they make lots of cheap renewables energy? From.  2 wind turbines at the Ex Michelin factory.  SWARCO / CPS headquarters.    There is energy coming ashore 15 miles away and arriving out at Tealing substation from the wind farms.   Solar farms being refused within 20 miles of Dundee.  There is Battery Storage in Dundee.  

Edited 27 February, 20251 yr by Ootohere

16 hours ago, wyx087 said:

A post you screenshoted and accused me of not stating the point clearly.

The point is clearly stated in the bit you've quoted.

Gibberish.

16 hours ago, lol-lol said:

It does not have to only be for solar as the panels can be raised and sheep grazing still happen between the stilts of the panels.

Might even give them a bit of shelter during rain and the occasional blazing sun.

Yes I was aware of that, we have plenty of fields of them near us. Obviously they can't be used for growing crops as well though.

The visual impact and the fact that they are much less productive in winter is my main hangup with them though.

11 hours ago, wyx087 said:

The national grid is expensive and require more investment is because there's not enough demand side management.

 

That supply and demand graph I posted earlier clearly shows the peaks and troughs. Whole of that could be flat up to the maximum and we will get cheaper electricity simply because we are finally fully utilising the grid capability. There will be less unused capacity.

How do we use those unused capacity? By leveraging time-of-use tariff or smart charging.

 

It's like buying cars, people don't buy a giant 7 seat SUV for that one chance oversea relatives might come to visit.  But the grid unfortunately has to be built for that maximum possible demand.

You could probably improve on your analogy tbh!

No, people don't generally buy a car to cater for a 1 off occasion every few years (that may or may not happen) but grid peaks are more or less a daily occurrence and 'super peaks' in winter happen at the very least several times per year.

Yes time of use pricing can help to alleviate demand but ultimately you are never going to be able to flatten  it completely. Everyone wants to cook at around the same time every evening and we will always need the capability to be able to supply this.