Yes. Set up to recycle / dismantle EV Batteries. No media i can find other than this mentions that.

Major safety software flaw on GM electric vehicles....

Someone best tell The Donald (POTUS) that this sort of issue is why the USA vehicles are not imported to many countries around the world.

He could have his Best Bud on the case of BEV fires and risks but he needs someone helping him sort out his products.

PS.

re 60 second delays before a vehicle selecting park. One thing to include in multiple experiments should include open the door.

It will select Park, or should.

Edited 10 April, 20251 yr by Ootohere

Renault have made their two larger EVs more affordable, less tax liable and more useful to save drivers money. Renault have addressed the silly situation where you can get thousands of pounds discount but then get whacked for the Expensive car supplement VED charge and more tax as the BIK goes up each year on EVs. Also these, like their smaller sibling have V2L and can save owners money on paying for expensive day time electricity as they now also have V2L......

The Independent

Renault discounts its EV range to avoid tax hikes

Renault Scenic and Renault Megane ranges revamped with price drops and more tech

Renault has reacted to recent changes to Vehicle Excise Duty (road tax) with price drops and more kit across its Scenic and Megane range. With the government’s Expensive Car Supplement hitting cars priced above £40,000, the Renault Scenic Techno Long Range model that was priced at £40,995 now costs £37,195, while the new Techno Esprit Alpine Long Range model with sportier styling also comes in under £40,000 at £39,930,........ In addition to the new line-up, there are a host of other upgrades across both models that include full one-pedal driving that enables the cars to come to a complete stop smoothly when the driver lifts off the accelerator. Renault says that it delivers a smoother overall driving experience and maximises energy being recuperated through braking, while also reducing brake pad wear. Both the Megane and the Scenic will also come with a vehicle-to-load (V2L) adaptor that lets you plug anything with a three-pin plug into the car, while Renault’s Plug & Charge tech has also become standard on all new Scenic and Megane models. Plug & Charge enables a seamless digital handshake between car and selected public chargers to automatically authorise payment and start charging without the need to use an app or payment cards.

Edited 11 April, 20251 yr by lol-lol

How far can you drive with £20 dino-juice?

For £20 a month, Octopus now have Intelligent Drive pack, allowing “unlimited” (fair usage says no more than 700 kWh per month for 2 months out of 6 months rolling) charging.

Most economical living:

100 miles daily commute, 5 days a week, £20 per month for energy, Zoe 40 for £7k.

https://octopus.energy/smart/intelligent-drive-pack/

I am getting the car showing 6-8 miles to the kWh at the moment.

On Mid setting and high regen, and even AC on. 1.5 miles downhill and 1.5-2 miles back 3 or 4 times a day.

Charging up it is working out as 5 or 6 miles a kWh.

The sooner this roasting weather is over the better. In the 20,s is too much for me.

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

I am getting the car showing 6-8 miles to the kWh at the moment.

On Mid setting and high regen, and even AC on. 1.5 miles downhill and 1.5-2 miles back 3 or 4 times a day.

Charging up it is working out as 5 or 6 miles a kWh.

The sooner this roasting weather is over the better. In the 20,s is too much for me.

Lithium batteries love the temp over 15C.

Took 55% of my battery getting up to Liverpool from Worcester in my small battery 60 kWh Scenic, starting temp 0C.

To get home only used 41% when the temp was 17C.

4% battery when got home. 5 hours charge last night so back up to 60% and showing 170 miles. Will not charge it again unless I know I have a journey to do next day.

Clearly EVs getting so cheap, and I think the 87 kWh, 370 mile Scenic has outsold my 60 kWh model so well that I see Renault have dropped my 60 kWh model from their Scenic range so it is just in the Megane etech now. Paired with that Renault have dropped the price of the Scenic and Megane by thousands. Probably in large part due to the price of the LG Chem batteries become far cheaper month on month.

Think I was getting about 3.5 miles per kWh in the cold morning and around 4.7 miles per kWh on the return from Liverpool back to Worcester. Much hotter and I might have needed the aircon but the heat pump works in hot as well as cool conditions. It is just the battery chemistry that does not work lowish temperatures. When charging up I just wish the software also heated the battery a bit. If I had 3 phase then probably charging AC at 22 kWs would do much more warming than 7.2 kW or so. Will look at a 22 kW 3 phase inventor power by home DC batteries at some point.

Actually it loves 12-15*oC.

Just now, Ootohere said:

Actually it loves 12-15*oC.

Definitely seemed to be 15C with my Renaults to get max out of the batteries.

If I go for the LFP battery Renault 5 will be interesting to see how that performs in lower temperatures.

Batteries pack may well include cheap Sodium ion batteries at some point mixed with cheap LFP which will have much better cold temperature performance but even Lithium NMC and Lithium Fe PH4 are getting better cold performance with better internal manufacturing process I gather.

Edited 11 April, 20251 yr by lol-lol

As my firm is the largest mover of finished vehicles in the world it will be interesting to see how many cars delivered to the US, but not customs cleared, might simply reloaded and delivered to another country. Somebody to get some very good car deals. Sadly Left Hand driver cars of course. Many need a tweak to change to new country's spec of course which should be able to be done at port reception centre. To much to do and might have to go back to country of origin. At Portbury docks, where I was one of the Customs Officers, we had space for 35k cars but there is only so much space available. Electric Viking video below on this....

Edited 11 April, 20251 yr by lol-lol

For sheer pure performance, this is going to take some beating, but its a totally bonkers car in the real world and I doubt that you'd be able to licence it for use on the public roads.

I've sat in the Sperirling - what you can't appreciate on video is just how small the thing is!

It basically has two fans that suck it into the ground, creating a sort of ground effect with about 2000kg of force from a standstill - that's why it's so fast.

Not to mention it's over 1000bhp and weighs under 1000kg. That said, with full power, it won't last more than about 3 minutes.

Yes, they mention the size, weight battery size and the w fans and its 1,000 hp in the video and with its 55-second lap time you would get about 6 or 7 laps of that circuit before needing a recharge again.

I reckon that if those producers were not so hell-bent on getting blistering 0 to 60 and 0 to 100mph times, but instead slugged the performance figures to mimic those of an average ICE family car that they would be able to get a much more realistic range from their cars, which would increase their appeal to the normal motorist.

1 hour ago, OccyVRS said:

I've sat in the Sperirling - what you can't appreciate on video is just how small the thing is!

It basically has two fans that suck it into the ground, creating a sort of ground effect with about 2000kg of force from a standstill - that's why it's so fast.

Not to mention it's over 1000bhp and weighs under 1000kg. That said, with full power, it won't last more than about 3 minutes.

Limited to 300 kph is it not ?

Quick on tight small tracks but not the quickest on big open tracks ie the Nordschleife.

SU7 did 6 min 47 sec. Simulation reckon Sperirling would take about 7 minutes but would like to see it tested.

SU7 has 4 doors.

Road legal version of the vacuum cleaner single seater car is coming:

https://insideevs.com/news/594841/record-breaking-mcmurtry-speirling-ev-spawn-road-legal-variant/

British EV startup McMurtry Automotive says it plans to launch a road-legal version of the Spéirling electric single-seater, Autocar reports. The company's managing director Thomas Yates confirmed to the publication that a road-going model will enter production, offering similar performance to the EV that can do zero to 60 mph (96 km/h) in under 1.5 seconds.

Do you think that Tony has actually managed to get his point driven home in this video? It seems to be a constant uphill battle for some people to accept that not everyone can charge at home or indeed have access to either very cheap Lecky or free Lecky at either their destination or workplace, and not everybody only drives to places within the comfortable ranges of their cars. For instance, I will often drive to visit airfields to attend an event on the airfield which do not have any onsite charging at all, so I would need to use a public charger at some point in order to get back home again.

As mentioned in the video, I can fill up locally at very good rates and have fuel in the tank to do the same journey at least 2 and maybe even 3 times without needing to fill up again until I get back home again and can fill up again at the bargain prices.

Playing devil's advocate here, perhaps on some trips, depending on where I need to be, it might be possible to limp home with any range in an electric car and make it with a few miles left in the battery. Now here is the kicker, I also sometimes need to do the same trip the following day, leaving well before sunrise in order to make the arrival time fit the event, there would not be sufficient time to fully charge the battery in order to do that trip next day.

I stress this point because it has been said to me so many times that I should look at getting an EV and charging at home and plan my journeys and maybe look at stopping overnight at my destination and charging while sleeping, all of which is costing more than it costs to drive twice in a reasonable diesel car, which is precisely the reason for having a diesel car.

I like so many others can only afford to tax, insure, purchase 1 car, while I know that some have 2 or more cars and often 1 of those will be an ICE car for those occasions when an EV is just too much of a hassle, but these are the very people who just appear to lack the ability to appreciate that they are actually living the dream, that many others just wish they could be in a similar position, so please let's have some real understanding of these points.

Just looking at some of the comments that Tony gets to his videos just highlights the fact loads of EV owners/drivers just cannot see how the real world impacts others, who can struggle to run a single car.

I think he got his point across years ago. It is only some that need to keep banging their head against a brick wall.

They must like the pain of that nut job rants / shouting..

But points/ clicks mean prizes in his pocket.

18 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Limited to 300 kph is it not ?

Quick on tight small tracks but not the quickest on big open tracks ie the Nordschleife.

SU7 did 6 min 47 sec. Simulation reckon Sperirling would take about 7 minutes but would like to see it tested.

SU7 has 4 doors.

Not limited per se - they run two (three now) different gearboxes with different ratios. In the shorter ratio version, it tops out at 155mph. I'm not sure about the longer one.

This car excels at small, tight tracks. I'm not saying it was built for the FOS hill climb, but....

The SU7 is a stupidly fast bit of kit. The Ultra is the fastest four door car round the Ring, but that doesn't do it justice. Being on slicks aside, it's over a second faster than a Pagani Zonda R and 26 seconds faster than a GT3 RS MR. It'll do 0-60 in under 2 seconds. That's over half a second faster than the fastest car I've ever been in, and that was a horrendous experience.

The only issue with electric cars is the longevity of the battery. By the time they've sorted that out, hydrogen will be here.

26 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

I think he got his point across years ago. It is only some that need to keep banging their head against a brick wall.

They must like the pain of that nut job rants / shouting..

But points/ clicks mean prizes in his pocket.

Except that there are still people who make similar statements to those he quotes, here in this thread so there are still some in denial of facts.

At 65 year old in Scotland men get called for a Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm Screening / scan.

I suspect that there are some Youtube bloggers that wear hoodies and rant about milk floats and evangelists that might not make it to 65 years old if the same is offered in England.

The same could be said for many people, regardless of where they live or what they do 🤔

1 hour ago, OccyVRS said:

The only issue with electric cars is the longevity of the battery. By the time they've sorted that out, hydrogen will be here.

For hydrogen, near the end of this video, he talks about engineering challenge of the tech. Basically it requires keeping the fuel cell cool for acceptable conversion efficiency on top of all the BEV stuff.

But I found the whole video interesting how existing ICE manufacturers are (over) engineering EV's. It's behind the scenes video from an ex Audi engineer who developed their first EV, the Audi E-Tron.

I have many things to say on battery longevity. But I'm just repeating myself, so I'll only say both my own real life experience and statistical data say batteries and motor will outlast the car.

It is like Audi forget that they were Endurance Racing and planning from the R&D to have Diesel Hybrids. They built car factories to build them in South & North America and in Hungary and the engine and motor factories. It went tits up because VW Group were caught being lying little bar stewards over emissions. They had some very efficient diesel hybrids, just very expensive. Billions were written off when the mass production never went ahead.

Edited 16 April, 20251 yr by Ootohere

The dude that introduced Green Diesel to the USA, never got to be VW boss, went away in the huff to Geely (Volvo) then to GM Global, started with VW and was a VW insider, then was with Mitsubishi for a while gleaning their technology. Was he the whistle blower?

Edited 16 April, 20251 yr by Ootohere

Not surprising to hear top brass say those things around early 2010 before the Model S. Nissan Leaf and Zoe that were only good for 80 miles were the view on EV's in 2010's if Tesla didn't exist.