Skoda Bi-directional charging

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4 hours ago, lol-lol said:

The Welsh capital heading to become the first city to charge heavy SUVs, electric ones too, extra for being SUVs..... Paris did similar a year or so ago.....

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/cardiff-becomes-first-uk-council-164313745.html

Cardiff council will force drivers with larger vehicles to pay more for parking, becoming the first local authority in the UK to impose a parking premium to combat the dangers of larger vehicles. Councillors voted on Thursday to approve a new parking plan for the city whereby owners of larger vehicles will be charged more for parking permits because their cars “take up more parking space and are a danger to other road users”. The plan states that vehicles that weigh more than 2,400kg fully laden will be subject to a surcharge “to encourage drivers to switch to smaller vehicles”;

Sorry Graham, this includes the 2019 Kodiaq with diesel engine and auto gearbox which is 2458kgs GVW I understand. Likely to spread in to more cities. Quite clever as it picks out heavier diesel engine cars and their high NOX perhaps ? @Graham Butcher

This is all smacks of big brother and a hidden agenda as Tone here explains, yes, I expect the usual suspect(s) will make some comment about tin foil hats etc, but I urge people to play the video and have an open mind and what he says does indeed make sense (shame he has got his odds round the wrong way, he actually means the odds of having an accident is 1 in 8 million, but the odds of 8 million to 1 chance as he describes it would mean it a dead cert 🙄

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

Skoda Bi-directional charging

Interesting video, in the future this will probably just be normality using the car to store electricity for your house. Unfortunately for many Škoda owners it seems this currently will only work on the bigger battery 85’s, which must also have software version 5.4 or later.

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2 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Totally agree.

It's only a zero sum game, if you deliberately make that way. 15min city is the same, it's not either or.

Which is quicker at moving lots of people? Lift or stairs?

Similarly, which allows more people to do more things? 15min walking for majority removing lots of cars, option to drive for those who need it? Or everyone has to drive to amenities?

Oh dear me, you have swallowed it all hook line and sinker. Look, nobody is saying that there aren't advantages with the basic concept, but there are also disadvantages as well. I also never said that cars would not be allowed in these 15-minute cities, that again was something that you added into the mix, all I was implying is that they do not want us straying too far away from our home, hence the ltd range of BEV is/would not become an issue.

If you cannot see the possible larger picture being assembled right under your nose, in plain sight than you might well be in for one hell of a shock if those dots become joined up. Open your mind a little more and start to think about what if... maybe start to explore if there could be another motive behind some of the things?.

Vehicles with VED Class 'Disabled' will very very likely be treated just as now as far as being used in a ULEZ / LEZ zone as far as 'Parking goes' This allows vehicles old, big, high emission emitting exemptions.

What 'fifteen minute cities' @Graham Butcher ? Do any actually exist in the UK of GB & NI?

36 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

What 'fifteen minute cities' @Graham Butcher ? Do any actually exist in the UK of GB & NI?

There was one planned for Oxfordshire, I can't recall exactly where, but from memory it was around Bicester area and I was actually preparing some lighting schemes for a few public buildings that were planned for it, like schools, medical centres and hospitals etc at one time and then it all went quiet and I moved onto other projects in central London and surrounding areas. I'm not sure if the scheme ever went ahead after that as I handed the area over to others as London was keeping me very busy.

I do know that Sadiq Khan is the Co Chair of the C40 Cities and is heavily promoting them and other schemes like Low emission zones, PPM schemes and his TFL have been recruiting people to work of PPM schemes and low emission zones for areas like Coventry and others and I have seen adverts for the staff to be based in these zones to develop the schemes.

Here a few links that are worth exploring.

‘Toxic’ 15-minute city phrase cut from Oxford local plan | LocalGov

Why every city can benefit from a ‘15-minute city’ visionWhy every city can benefit from a ‘15-minute city’ vision

The C40 Co-Chairs - Leadership - C40 Cities

A guide to 15-minute cities: why are they so controversial? - University of the Built Environment

What is a 15-minute city and why is the idea so controversial? | ITV News

(3074) The Real Problem With 15-Minute Cities - YouTube

15-Minute City Explained by Carlos Moreno | TomTalks

15 Minute Cities: A DISASTER waiting to happen

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5 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

This is all smacks of big brother and a hidden agenda as Tone here explains, yes, I expect the usual suspect(s) will make some comment about tin foil hats etc, but I urge people to play the video and have an open mind and what he says does indeed make sense (shame he has got his odds round the wrong way, he actually means the odds of having an accident is 1 in 8 million, but the odds of 8 million to 1 chance as he describes it would mean it a dead cert 🙄

I remember from my Department of Transport time that road damage related to axle weight is to the forth power so 10% more weight does about half as much more road damage.

Also, in general, survivability of cyclists and pedestrians is worse when that group is hit by these bluff SUV shaped vehicles compared to low saloons.

It can really split what versions of models would get hit. My 60 kwh Scenic would be OK but the 90 kwh Scenic will get whacked. Lots of the German and mid and bigger pseudo German ie SEAT and Skoda cars would get whacked with this higher parking charge and we saw this with the Paris rules on this. They went big on this as I recall the extra charge was 3 times I think for heavy Chelsea tractors.

The road damage and greater risk to others may give councils the reasons they need.

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22 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

I remember from my Department of Transport time that road damage related to axle weight is to the forth power so 10% more weight does about half as much more road damage.

Also, in general, survivability of cyclists and pedestrians is worse when that group is hit by these bluff SUV shaped vehicles compared to low saloons.

It can really split what versions of models would get hit. My 60 kwh Scenic would be OK but the 90 kwh Scenic will get whacked. Lots of the German and mid and bigger pseudo German ie SEAT and Skoda cars would get whacked with this higher parking charge and we saw this with the Paris rules on this. They went big on this as I recall the extra charge was 3 times I think for heavy Chelsea tractors.

The road damage and greater risk to others may give councils the reasons they need.

But the published weight of my Kodiaq V Superb and the footprint, the Kodiaq is both smaller footprint and kerb weight ready fully fueled is also less than the Superb!!!

38 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

But the published weight of my Kodiaq V Superb and the footprint, the Kodiaq is both smaller footprint and kerb weight ready fully fueled is also less than the Superb!!!

GVW not Kerb Weight it appear to reference.

5 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I also never said that cars would not be allowed in these 15-minute cities

Riiiiiiight....... so what could this post about age and disability mean, after I uttered the word "walking"?

11 hours ago, wyx087 said:

walking

10 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

will you be happy with effectively being shut out of things purely because of your age or disability?

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I do know that Sadiq Khan is the Co Chair of the C40 Cities and is heavily promoting them and other schemes like Low emission zones, PPM schemes and his TFL have been recruiting people to work of PPM schemes and low emission zones for areas like Coventry and others and I have seen adverts for the staff to be based in these zones to develop the schemes.

"C40 Cities is a global network of mayors taking urgent action to confront the climate crisis and create a future where everyone can thrive."

What's not to like?

I sense there's a "car is king" attitude. Just earlier, I saw a local petition going around opposing extension of bus stop by removing 1 parking space. So I've written to my local council parking consolation in support of the proposal, suggesting providing more bus routes to increase shop footfall.

47 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

GVW not Kerb Weight it appear to reference.

Well that sucks but it still does not seem to add up, here's why:

Kodiaq 5 seat GVW 2380kg Each person could be 146kg each (730kg)

Kodiaq 7 seat GVW 2311kg 7 x 146kg (1022kg)

Superb 2091kg + 730 = 2821kg

Also length of Kodiaq 5 & 7 seat is 4679mm but length of Superb is 4861mm

So going by the above figures, the Superb occupies a bigger footprint and it also could weigh more when loaded with a full complement of 146kg passengers and also has a massive boot so could carry more weight.

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54 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

GVW not Kerb Weight it appear to reference.

30 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well that sucks but it still does not seem to add up, here's why:

Kodiaq 5 seat GVW 2380kg Each person could be 146kg each (730kg)

Kodiaq 7 seat GVW 2311kg 7 x 146kg (1022kg)

Superb 2091kg + 730 = 2821kg

Also length of Kodiaq 5 & 7 seat is 4679mm but length of Superb is 4861mm

So going by the above figures, the Superb occupies a bigger footprint and it also could weigh more when loaded with a full complement of 146kg passengers and also has a massive boot so could carry more weight.

Well yes ordinary cars are often loaded way over their GVW limit. 3,4 or 5 big adults and maybe some luggage in the boot quite oft a few percent over the vehicles limit. Generally in small and even medium vehicles you only have around 500 kgs and that includes fuel luggage and passengers.

On traffic exercises I have been involved in one might just get a warning for being a few percent over. I have seen 35% over the GVW when doing Anti Bootlegging exercises at Tormarton on tge M5 and at Crickade on the A417 and that is very dangerous for the occupants and other road users.

You see it in elevators/ lifts. Do the maths 850 kgs and it says 12 people. Well I am 110 kgs in light clothing, add a laptop I am carrying, winter coat i could be around 120 kgs.

What i hate is when the lift overloaded buzzer goes off and the little and light people around me look at me and their eyes say "well your the biggest, you get out". So embarrassing.

Overloading cars is very common and sounds like might be more focus on it if it is linked to extra parking charges, more weighbridge or use of existing ones. We introduced SOLAS and weight and safety has become an much bigger issue in transportation.

All car drivers and owners should ve more aware, no excuse as it is on your V5

My Scenic EV a massive 523 kgs between Kerb and GVW but still under 2400 for GVW.

Not exactly massive. Better not fill up with screen wash too high !!

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30 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

My Scenic EV a massive 523 kgs between Kerb and GVW but still under 2400 for GVW.

Not exactly massive. Better not fill up with screen wash too high !!

Oh good, we are both below the 2400kg figure then but buggered if they go to 2000kg and so will the Superb, it us war on the motorist.

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35 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Oh good, we are both below the 2400kg figure then but buggered if they go to 2000kg and so will the Superb, it us war on the motorist.

What does your V5 say for Max Permissable Weight ?

6 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

What does your V5 say for Max Permissable Weight ?

It says 2380kg.

11 hours ago, lol-lol said:

My Scenic EV a massive 523 kgs between Kerb and GVW but still under 2400 for GVW.

Not exactly massive. Better not fill up with screen wash too high !!

Who knew, well designed EV's are not that heavy.

But badly designed EV on ICE platform weighs more, i4 for example: up to 2740 kg GVW.

https://carstan.info/weight/bmw/i4

Early view that EV's weigh more are due to EV's built on ICE platform compared against ICE cars. That view is no longer true for ground-up EV.

MY LW AWD V5 says 2600 kg but car itself weighs 1980 kg. So could load 5 100+ kg adults will have capacity to spare.

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1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Who knew, well designed EV's are not that heavy.

But badly designed EV on ICE platform weighs more, i4 for example: up to 2740 kg GVW.

https://carstan.info/weight/bmw/i4

Early view that EV's weigh more are due to EV's built on ICE platform compared against ICE cars. That view is no longer true for ground-up EV.

MY LW AWD V5 says 2600 kg but car itself weighs 1980 kg. So could load 5 100+ kg adults will have capacity to spare.

Same for original Merc EQC is 2.5 tonnes unladen and has a GVW of just under 3T.

No wonder it cannot even do 3 miles, ie 5 kms per kwh. Very quick accelerating car with up to 400 hp but lots of negatives including a prop shart tunnel running thru the cabin making it have no flat floor in the back seat area as it used the old ICE chassis.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Who knew, well designed EV's are not that heavy.

But badly designed EV on ICE platform weighs more, i4 for example: up to 2740 kg GVW.

https://carstan.info/weight/bmw/i4

Early view that EV's weigh more are due to EV's built on ICE platform compared against ICE cars. That view is no longer true for ground-up EV.

MY LW AWD V5 says 2600 kg but car itself weighs 1980 kg. So could load 5 100+ kg adults will have capacity to spare.

Personally, I think that is a complete fallacy, it everything to do with the actual physical size and its intended use of the vehicle. Clearly a small fun sized car like a mini is going to weigh less than a 5 series BMW which is designed to be 5 seater luxuury car with room for the occupants to stretch their leggs out and not be cramped in it. One is designed to be a small city car, the other is mile muncher, its like comparing a 2 up and 2 down terrace house in town with a manor house nearer the edge of town.

Is a Tesla Model X not a electric car well designed to be an electric car from the base up then, they only make electric cars don't they and yet depending on the exact trim and variant it weighs in at a staggering GVW of between 2,700kg to 3,100kg, and a Rolls-Royce Spectre comes in at 3,400kg and that was also designed to be electric only.

I really do wish you would stop trying to prove that electric cars are so special in every way, we all get it that you are 100% converted to all things electric and love them, as you are perfectly entitled to, but the fact is that it is life style choice that you have made for yourself and that electric cars, just like ICE cars, do come in all sizes, shapes, and weights, and are designed to fulfill certain things that were in the designers brief or wish list.

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1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Same for original Merc EQC is 2.5 tonnes unladen and has a GVW of just under 3T.

No wonder it cannot even do 3 miles, ie 5 kms per kwh. Very quick accelerating car with up to 400 hp but lots of negatives including a prop shart tunnel running thru the cabin making it have no flat floor in the back seat area as it used the old ICE chassis.

That's not always the case, the Superb was front wheel drive but still had a tunnel down the centre of the floor in order to take the exhaust pipe and thus keep the overall height of the car low to improve it's drag coefficient as low as possible.

17 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

That's not always the case, the Superb was front wheel drive but still had a tunnel down the centre of the floor in order to take the exhaust pipe and thus keep the overall height of the car low to improve it's drag coefficient as low as possible.

One chassis presumably and of course there is/was the very competent 4x4 superb, 280 hp that the police in some areas bought as a motorway / pursuit car.

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Personally, I think that is a complete fallacy, it everything to do with the actual physical size and its intended use of the vehicle. Clearly a small fun sized car like a mini is going to weigh less than a 5 series BMW which is designed to be 5 seater luxuury car with room for the occupants to stretch their leggs out and not be cramped in it. One is designed to be a small city car, the other is mile muncher, its like comparing a 2 up and 2 down terrace house in town with a manor house nearer the edge of town.

Is a Tesla Model X not a electric car well deigned to be an electric car from the base up then, they only make electric cars don't they and yet depending on the exact trim and variant it weighs in at a staggering GVW of between 2,700kg to 3,100kg, and a Rolls-Royce Spectre comes in at 3,400kg and that was also designed to be electric only.

What has BMW 5 series got anything to do with Mini? Electric or not.

Similarly, what are you trying to compare Model X or Spectre against? Both are EV but you haven't provided a point of reference. But need to remember the weight of special doors on the MX.

By the way, Spectre is not a grounds up EV: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Spectre

"It is Rolls-Royce's first electric vehicle (EV) and rides on the same platform as the Phantom and Cullinan."

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I really do wish you would stop trying to prove that electric cars are so special in every way, we all get it that you are 100% converted to all things electric and love them, as you are perfectly entitled to, but the fact is that it is life style choice that you have made for yourself and that electric cars, just like ICE cars, do come in all sizes, shapes, and weights, and are designed to fulfill certain things that were in the designers brief or wish list.

I'm not saying EV are special, in fact, I'm saying they are not special in the weight sense as people make out.

Yes, I agree ICE cars come in difference size, shape and weights. EV is the same and they are designed to fulfil all kind of different roles. People choose petrol/diesel based on a number of factors, not many choose petrol/diesel based on lifestyle choice. EV is the same, it's another way to power the vehicle and not special in any way as a vehicle.

The only possible way EV are special is their role to play in combating climate change. It has nothing to do with lifestyle, size, shape, weight or class of vehicle. It's a powertrain that can be entirely powered by renewable with ultra high efficiency. Its battery is part of answer to mass adoption of renewables.

But as a vehicle, it's not special at all, quite boring actually.

Only you are treating EV special, as though some sort of satan's creation.

16 hours ago, wyx087 said:

What has BMW 5 series got anything to do with Mini? Electric or not.

Similarly, what are you trying to compare Model X or Spectre against? Both are EV but you haven't provided a point of reference. But need to remember the weight of special doors on the MX.

By the way, Spectre is not a grounds up EV: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Spectre

"It is Rolls-Royce's first electric vehicle (EV) and rides on the same platform as the Phantom and Cullinan."

I'm not saying EV are special, in fact, I'm saying they are not special in the weight sense as people make out.

Yes, I agree ICE cars come in difference size, shape and weights. EV is the same and they are designed to fulfil all kind of different roles. People choose petrol/diesel based on a number of factors, not many choose petrol/diesel based on lifestyle choice. EV is the same, it's another way to power the vehicle and not special in any way as a vehicle.

The only possible way EV are special is their role to play in combating climate change. It has nothing to do with lifestyle, size, shape, weight or class of vehicle. It's a powertrain that can be entirely powered by renewable with ultra high efficiency. Its battery is part of answer to mass adoption of renewables.

But as a vehicle, it's not special at all, quite boring actually.

Only you are treating EV special, as though some sort of satan's creation.

The answer to the mini v series 5 BMW question I would have thought was obvious, different cars are built to do different jobs, a mini is more of city car and the other is mile muncher in comfort on motorways etc. A person would buy the car that best suited their needs and their finances.

While it is true that the Spectre rides on same platform as the "Phantom and Cullinan.", it is also claimed by Rolls Royce that the platform was specially designed to be modular and adaptable and especially designed to allow electric version as well and will be their platform for new models. So it is not an old ICE platform forced into being electric, it was designed to be electric in the first place, it is a new platform, not one from the dark ages.

I don't think EV's are satans creation either, that is just how you see fit to see me because I don't fit in with your viewpoint. If you are going to be honest about these things, then you would be able to admit that I have concerns about the various claims being made about the batteries and the environment and the hazard that they can present in the case of a thermal runaway of the battery. Always stated that and that it is wrong to make new car purchases become electric by law until all the problems associated with them, home charging, range, firefighting, etc are overcome.

I also do not believe the claims being made about the emissions of ICE cars are as bad as the claims as todays cars bear no resemblance to earlier cars and they are getting cleaner than ever all the time.

It also is not necessarily the truth that electric cars are lighter than ICE cars Are EVs heavier than petrol cars? - We Power Your Car

If you really want an ultra lightweight ice car then check out the Aixam City diesel powered car at just 350kg or its electric version at 425kg.

18 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

While it is true that the Spectre rides on same platform as the "Phantom and Cullinan.", it is also claimed by Rolls Royce that the platform was specially designed to be modular and adaptable and especially designed to allow electric version as well and will be their platform for new models. So it is not an old ICE platform forced into being electric, it was designed to be electric in the first place, it is a new platform, not one from the dark ages.

No, any modular platform that has any involvement with ICE will mean it is a compromised platform. Jack of all trade, master of none type of situation.

Similar situations are: Stellantis EV's. BMW i4. early Mercedes EQA, EQC.

First-gen Nissan Leaf is similar, they say they are built on new EV platform, but it's just re-designed B platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault-Nissan_B_platform#Nissan_EV_platform

18 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

It also is not necessarily the truth that electric cars are lighter than ICE cars Are EVs heavier than petrol cars? - We Power Your Car

This article is the reason I'm banging the drum that EV's used to be considered heavier. The article compares Corsa against ICE counter parts, built on a modular ICE based platform. It is the topic of discussion, why EV are only heavier when built on compromised platform.

The article also has flat out lies. Model 3 weights 1600-1800 kg, not 2200 kg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3

You are so lazy in your reply, you just copy and pasted a link from Google, including auto-highlights. Didn't even read the article.

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