4 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

the car in this video was converted from petrol to electric 4 years ago, 2021, and yet when I checked to see if the DVLA reflected that fact, back in 2023 after the Luton carpark fire when the diesel Range Rover was said to have started it, the DVLA still showed this as being a petrol powered car, 2 years after the conversion, here is the link to that original post I made at the time which includes the video and the DVLA records showing the Citroen as being petrol Car Park Fires, Transporters / Ships, any fires, any EV,s involved or not thread, were they the cause just there and so made fighting the fire harder. - Page 3 - Electric Vehicles - BRISKODA

It's interesting how, at the time, everybody dismissed the idea that the Range Rover could have been converted to electric, but the records held at the DVLA showed it as diesel. Now, if the Citroen DS had been the cause of that fire, then the fire brigade would also have used the registration plate details to check with the DVLA, and their information would have shown it was petrol, which is clearly not true.

Strange how time can help to prove that theory could actually be correct after all, but as always, the armchair experts that are only too willing to accept the official reports must always be the correct ones, not the slightest doubt in their mind. I have always said that time will eventually show the truth. I also note the latest DVLA record shows that a new V5C was issued on 6th June 2025, so was that because the car has a new owner, they have just updated the records, or had the other owner only informed them of the modification?

Oh, it's back to that now is it?

Do you really believe fire fighters only used DLVA tool to check and based EVERYTHING that?

They can't have simply asked the driver what fuel it used?

7 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

It's interesting how, at the time, everybody dismissed the idea that the Range Rover could have been converted to electric, but the records held at the DVLA showed it as diesel.

Dismissing the conversion idea is what any sane person would do.

A reminder, the truth of the matter is that a purely diesel vehicle started the Luton Airport fire. Diesel vehicles do start fires by itself.

26 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Oh, it's back to that now is it?

Do you really believe fire fighters only used DLVA tool to check and based EVERYTHING that?

They can't have simply asked the driver what fuel it used?

Dismissing the conversion idea is what any sane person would do.

A reminder, the truth of the matter is that a purely diesel vehicle started the Luton Airport fire. Diesel vehicles do start fires by itself.

A knuckle dragging diesel drongo drove in to the car park not realising his car was in a dangerous state and had caught fire. Should have got him to pay for the damage perhaps.

Parked in Luton airport last week and surprise surprise not a mention of any worry parking my mobile potentially fire hazard EV. Clearly Luton Airport cared somewhere between a rats ass and a monkey's cuss that it was an EV.

3 hours ago, wyx087 said:

No, you said:

Which is saying: "data signals can travel on power cable" - false, does not work at grid scale. BPL articles all mentioned this.

and also questioning: "isn't that how smart meters send data back?" - false, all UK smart meter are wireless.

No, you're wrong, I did not say grid lines, I said power lines and one of those articles I posted showed a diagram of that happening for a group of houses and the data went to another interface further down the line.

3 hours ago, wyx087 said:

But you decided to post completely fictional way of things working.

So now you are now claiming that the article about EON doing just that with 200,000 houses is fictional, WTF?

3 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Then there's problem of you continuing to spread FUD despite I posted source of information on exactly what information has been exchanged with charge points.

Wrong again, there is so often a world of difference between what they state and what actually happens. How do you know that secret trails are not being carried out? All it takes is a simple software change or are you also going to claim that modern cars don't keep records of miles driven in their ECU's. The info is there already; it only requires that memory location to be addressed, and there it is.

Also, the sockets that I plug my Ethernet over power adaptors into are ordinary, standard sockets, so is the mains power cable; they do not need any extra hardware. That on an EV, could already be built into the car itself. In case you have not yet got the concept, I need 1 adaptor plugged into whichever socket I want to use as the feed, and 1 in each socket I wish to access the Ethernet from, so I have 5 more scattered around the house and input and output units are identical with 1 RJ45 socket on each that a cat 5 cable plugs into. The power circuit in the house is not modified, so broadband and other data can and do get carried on standard power cables/lines, deal with it.

3 hours ago, wyx087 said:

The fact is, not bothering to fact check what you write is very irresponsible.

You are a bag full of social media conspiracy theory sound bytes.

Your opinion because you cannot accept that there could be another side to things that you cannot see, open your mind. Would you jump over a wall without looking at what is on the other side first to see what you could be landing in/on?

Edited 27 October, 202527 Oct by Graham Butcher

15 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

A knuckle dragging diesel drongo drove in to the car park not realising his car was in a dangerous state and had caught fire. Should have got him to pay for the damage perhaps.

Parked in Luton airport last week and surprise surprise not a mention of any worry parking my mobile potentially fire hazard EV. Clearly Luton Airport cared somewhere between a rats ass and a monkey's cuss that it was an EV.

Twist it whichever way you want, but you're both twisting what I said if you read it correctly.

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

As we know HMRC work with income providers, ie the pension funds and I see my recently setup Drawdown fund has the generic 1257L allowance showing on the webpage.

I can only try and explain how it worked in my case.

I retired in September. Always previously being paid through PAYE, I got a letter from HMRC stating that the state pension is not taxed at source and that amount i was to receive by end of next March added to what I had already earned meant that they did not have enough time, by reducing my tax code for my private pension to collect what i need to pay in full.

By the end of the tax year based upon what they know my private pension is i will owe them £xxxx.

So they have adjusted my tax code to collect the most they can of the shortfall by March and will do it again next year until clear.

I hope this information is useful for when you do reach Retirement age when your state pension starts.

If they continue as planned with the allowance frozen and state pension continues to be triple locked it will probably exceed the allowance by 2028 and pensioners on only the basic state pension will get a bill

Edited 27 October, 202527 Oct by Stonekeeper

4 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

I can only try and explain how it worked in my case.

I retired in September. Always previously being paid through PAYE, I got a letter from HMRC stating that the state pension is not taxed at source and that amount i was to receive by end of next March added to what I had already earned meant that they did not have enough time, by reducing my tax code for my private pension to collect what i need to pay in full.

By the end of the tax year based upon what they know my private pension is i will owe the £xxxx.

So they have adjusted my tax code to collect the most they can of the shortfall by March and will do it again next year until clear.

I hope this information is useful for when you do reach Retirement age when your state pension starts.

If they continue as planned with the allowance frozen and state pension continues to be triple locked it will probably exceed the allowance by 2028 and pensioners on only the basic state pension will get a bill

I am finding the nuisances of retiring.

The tax minefield I am trying to avoid is pension recycling.

I have told my employer I am going and am in the process of crystalizing pension pots.

Trouble is I am still banging a grand or three a month in to pension savings as I work thru my notice period which will add up to about 3 months.

Pensions and retirement is a complex as any tax scheme I have worked on with HMCE, HMRC or pwc !!

It could be that in the future the tax free allowance and the state pension will be linked, if only to save the cost of chasing getting money they pay out back?

Maybe that is even the reason 2028 was chosen as the date in the first place?

Edited 27 October, 202527 Oct by Stonekeeper

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1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

So now you are now claiming that the article about EON doing just that with 200,000 houses is fictional, WTF?

15 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

"On 19 January 2018, E.ON, the German multinational electric utility company, serving about 48 million customers across several European countries, decided to use BPL in the low-voltage segment of their grid for communication with their smart metering devices. The utility chose Corinex as the provider for the initial two years of the deployment. The initial deployment was several ten thousand repeaters and headends, providing secure communication for meters at about 200,000 households. The utility selected Corinex GridValue energy management system, using the IBM Tivoli platform, to manage the network.^[22]"

Read your Wikipedia quote carefully, let me repeat once again, UK smart meters does not use BPL.

There are north and south differences but all use wireless based systems.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Wrong again, there is so often a world of difference between what they state and what actually happens. How do you know that secret trails are not being carried out? All it takes is a simple software change or are you also going to claim that modern cars don't keep records of miles driven in their ECU's. The info is there already; it only requires that memory location to be addressed, and there it is.

Oh wow, tin foil hat wearer here.

And another WOW! Again, let me refer you to EV charging cable standards I posted earlier. You tell me how can a resister (PP) and a simple PWM signal (CP) do addressing and access a non-existent data interface to request a piece of data that is deemed not useful for charging and part of user privacy?

The hardware to do any serial data transfer is literally not there on all the AC smart charge points installed up to now.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Also, the sockets that I plug my Ethernet over power adaptors into are ordinary, standard sockets, so is the mains power cable; they do not need any extra hardware.

Hum..... what are those powerline adapter things you plug your ethernet cable? Could it be extra hardware?

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Your opinion because you cannot accept that there could be another side to things that you cannot see, open your mind. Would you jump over a wall without looking at what is on the other side first to see what you could be landing in/on?

You so deep in your conspiracy theories that you can't identify facts from fiction. You think fairy tales are more plausible than hard truth.

Found Graham being interviewed (video is set to start, only 20s)

Dial it down a notch or two eh.

I don’t read this thread all that often, but the last of pages is getting worse than a few of the last political threads that have been closed by the admins!

Take a few deep breaths and as Lee said dial the personal attacks and the unsupported theories back or you’ll attract the people with the power to shut things down…

@wyx087 good grief, firstly, I never stated any county in my posts, but the fact that EON are using BPL shows it is possible for data to coexist on powerlines, thank you.

Secondly, there is NO need any extra hardware installed in the AC charger or socket on the car for data to be dumped onto the power line. That hardware could be anywhere in the car and 2 wires attached to the circuitry anywhere, as long as there is nothing to block it's passage around the cars loom.

The wiring in your house also does not require any extra hardware, the wiring is just a means of transporting a low voltage high, frequency signal which is also extremely low power, it's a conductor only. The data only requires hardware at the point of it being extracted from the local power supply. This could be a very small box located at the end of the street and can extract the signals for every house in your local neighbourhood as long as they are on the same power phase.

No tin foil hats involved, its entirely possible and there are secret tests of loads of things going on right in front us every day that we are not aware of. That is how new ideas etc are tested to discover if they work or not before they even get mentioned in trade press etc.

Edited 28 October, 202528 Oct by Graham Butcher

Ok, lets get back to the truth about electric cars, this video of an electric car/truck owner in Canada believes he has discovered why electric cars are being written off so easily. I'm an electric car owner/user, so I'm throwing this open to you lot who are, for consideration, what are your thoughts on this?

Hardly a recent discovery or revelation. Well not in this section of Briskoda or on Social media.

In the UK you often get those that are unhappy with insurers what ever the vehicle.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/512702-insurance-is-it-legal-robbery

Edited 28 October, 202528 Oct by Evolution13

21 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

It could be that in the future the tax free allowance and the state pension will be linked, if only to save the cost of chasing getting money they pay out back?

Maybe that is even the reason 2028 was chosen as the date in the first place?

HMRC are increasingly using Big Data tools so expect much more out of the blue tax demands as they identify more and more sources of income and tax them accordingly.

Still don't see a way it can work for Pay per Mile as even the SOS system, whilst mandatory on new cars, is oft stopping working and reporting mileage is not part of its function and introducing that is not going to be easy and as we have seen this is always driven by what the EU wants to do and not the UK as a much smaller market.

I can see mileage reporting on change of keeper becoming mandatory instead of optional.

Maybe a self report of mileage covered for the first three years then it's taken care of by MOT.

Any false reporting could then be retrospectively applied by AI.

I think people are underestimating the power AI has when given access to data.

Things that used to take days and weeks to process and check can be done in minutes with linked data bases.

Edited 28 October, 202528 Oct by Stonekeeper

4 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

HMRC are increasingly using Big Data tools so expect much more out of the blue tax demands as they identify more and more sources of income and tax them accordingly.

Still don't see a way it can work for Pay per Mile as even the SOS system, whilst mandatory on new cars, is oft stopping working and reporting mileage is not part of its function and introducing that is not going to be easy and as we have seen this is always driven by what the EU wants to do and not the UK as a much smaller market.

All I was doing was highlighting the various ways that you could be vulnerable, as EV cars are already packed full of extra technology than ICE cars are. My ageing TomTom after market sat nav keeps getting new tricks after each software update, none of which were ever even I suspect were envisaged when the model was first launched. Also to this effect, the more modern ICE cars also carry far more tech on board than, models say of 10 years ago. One of which is the digital mileometer to prevent car dealers turning back clocks, that data as more and more computing tech is introduced could be brought into play for PPM at some point in the future. But now, it most be a person who has limited knowledge of computers and electronics to completely dismiss these possibilities out of hand.

I did say at the start of this debate, something along the lines of don't be lulled into a false sense of security over the possible measures that RR could introduce and with the combined facts that A/ EVs don't pay for fuel duty which is a massive revenue source for any government, B/ VED is not the same as for ICE, so again a net reduction in revenue raised, C/EVs are able, or at least some are, able to be accessed remotely, software updates over the air etc are perfectly possible, so logic says ideal candidates for the very first PPM system.

This video, in case anyone missed it which clearly shows that some EV's can be accessed remotely courtesy of the mobile internet.

1 hour ago, Evolution13 said:

Hardly a recent discovery or revelation. Well not in this section of Briskoda or on Social media.

In the UK you often get those that are unhappy with insurers what ever the vehicle.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/512702-insurance-is-it-legal-robbery

Yes, I'm aware of that thread, I started it and I drive and indeed it was about ICE cars as well as EVs, but the point of the video I linked to was about one particular insurance company and their attitude towards EVs, which I have zero experience of insurance in conjunction with EVs.

Edited 28 October, 202528 Oct by Graham Butcher

21 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

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Although this car would not fit my personal needs, it does embody lots of the points I have long stated are completely unnecessary in so many new cars of both types of power trains, less reliance on touch screens, more actual buttons etc, less acceleration, smarter seating and lower costs as well as less tech that are just there because they can. Those 4 dots (leds) on the steering wheel are a great idea.

Tesla's latest fsd (not uk)

@Graham Butcher Re the Ford BEV Pickup in Canada.

Was the truck not fully insured including off road or off main highway use?

Is he not getting a new truck out of it? How much are the trucks anyway new, for the sake of easily written off.

It is like the Dudes in Edinburgh that had a Tesla in wet roads that needed a new battery supposedly, or the famous Fish & Chip eater that kept on about the price of new EV batteries even though one was not needed.

Were they not insured properly for a BEV being written off due to weather / road conditions and new batteries required?

1 minute ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher Re the Ford BEV Pickup in Canada.

Was the truck not fully insured including off road or off main highway use?

Is he not getting a new truck out of it? How much are the trucks anyway new, for the sake of easily written off.

It is like the Dudes in Edinburgh that had a Tesla in wet roads that needed a new battery supposedly, or the famous Fish & Chip eater that kept on about the price of new EV batteries even though one was not needed.

Were they not insured properly for a BEV being written off due to weather / road conditions and new batteries required?

Have you watched the video at all, are the answers not in there? The insurance company must have been fully aware that the truck was an EV at the time of taking the policy out, I don't see the point of your line of questioning/logic here, help me out?

@Graham Butcher Actually i could only scan through the dudes vid as his greeting face ands voice did my head in like the Ausi / Brit does. Moaning like that got him no place and his video tells nothing not already known and that i expect he knew before getting a BEV.

My point, are they not paying out on a car they are writing off because they say an Uneconomic Repair?

Be it a BEV or an ICE that is maybe how they roll. Poor Estimating, assessing, loss adjusting.

Yes they are paying out. Postal Strike has him including in his rant...

The Sum of the parts of vehicles are far greater in cost than buying a complete car.

As scrap that Pick Up will have a value Broken for parts including a totally usable battery pack for re-sale.

Supposedly $60,000 Canadian or so if purchased New from Ford.

INSURANCE COMPANIES. Europe / North America.

Easy come easy go how they operate. Compulsory Insurance.

Edited 28 October, 202528 Oct by Evolution13

@Evolution13 I see, well I guess the answer is yes, they are paying out, but I think the point he is making is that they are making the value of repair far higher than it actually is and what they are offering is not enough to enable him to buy another vehicle of a similar type, age and condition and that with sensible and proper inspection and estimating it could be repaired for far less and thus make the insurance cost and also the claim on insurance far lower generally.

This is precisely what happened with my car, I had to fight them to understand that a Superb is not just a bog-standard entry level one, they come in various trim, almost doubling the cheapest options, and yet they base their valuations on the lowest spec cars when it comes to paying a claim, even though they demand that you fully declare the precise spec of the car when taking out a policy and also say that failure to disclose everything about the car and any modifications will invalidate the policy.

My own car was never ever inspected by the insurance company, was eventually sold off at knock down price by Copart and is now once again back on the road again. It makes zero sense to me, and it is most certainly not helping with the net-zero push either, being far greener to keep a car that has already added its carbon footprint to the scrapheap before it has used up that footprint and then adding yet another new car to the road, adding more carbon.