Google answers the question asked related to how the question is asked.

It is not possible for the public to park in an underground car park at Westminster.

Hence two answers to what people think is the same question

13 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

Google answers the question asked related to how the question is asked.

It is not possible for the public to park in an underground car park at Westminster.

Hence two answers to what people think is the same question

Thanks, that's why I said in the first post about it being the government's car park, to make it clear to those reading it that it was not a public one.

Hence my comment earlier about double standards.

Edited 30 October, 202530 Oct by Graham Butcher

H&S for the Special people.

Remember remember the 5th of November. Gunpowder, treason and plot.

No point making any terrorist attacks easy. Might as well be done at some other over ground charging places.

Or just at underground car parks where there is no EV / PHEV charging, but that class of vehicle is not restricted from gaining access.

PS

It is a Government controlled or used car park.

We the people own it, unless maybe they lease it from other land owners.

Who owns the Land, Is it Crown land, Duke of Westminster owned.

Anyway, special rules for special people. Elected or employed and just their short term.

Edited 30 October, 202530 Oct by Evolution13

Wow, I never knew we had any extinct volcanoes here in the UK, yet another example of how we can learn from each other😉

Edited 30 October, 202530 Oct by Graham Butcher

Long before google there were encyclopedias and schools and lessons on history, geology etc.

Edited 30 October, 202530 Oct by Evolution13

And there was me thinking that the learning process never stopped, just hope that your teachers managed to cram all the available history, geology etc. along with all the maths etc into the limited time we have at school and to gain access to and read the encyclopedias from cover to cover, when did you ever manage to fit day-to-day living in I wonder?

Incidentally, how are the dogs doing, I don't recall seeing any posts of them lately?

Edited 30 October, 202530 Oct by Graham Butcher

The dogs are fine.

I am trying to stick to Car / Transport subjects.

In Scotland we learned from an early age about nature and resources. Shale Oil & Gas, Coal and Hydro Electricity and wind power as there were wind mills at many farms.

Scotland is resource rich and renewable electricity rich.

I remember as a child just how dirty Edinburgh, Dundee & Glasgow were.

From burning coal and gas & industry.

Thank goodness the EV charging infrastructure is improving.

It is just a shame there are still so many objections to Pylons, Wind & Solar farms and battery farms, and Public Ev charging is so expensive.

5 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

The dogs are fine.

I am trying to stick to Car / Transport subjects.

In Scotland we learned from an early age about nature and resources. Shale Oil & Gas, Coal and Hydro Electricity and wind power as there were wind mills at many farms.

Scotland is resource rich and renewable electricity rich.

I remember as a child just how dirty Edinburgh, Dundee & Glasgow were.

From burning coal and gas & industry.

Thank goodness the EV charging infrastructure is improving.

It is just a shame there are still so many objections to Pylons, Wind & Solar farms and battery farms, and Public Ev charging is so expensive.

It will get better, it has to if the electric car is to survive.

At school, they tend to teach you more about things that are more local to you, you never learned about East Anglia did you? The same as we never learned about things local to you.

Edited 30 October, 202530 Oct by Graham Butcher

We learned all about Robber Baron,s, Greedy Barstewards that would rob and pillage and take what was yours and expect you to be grateful for it. Take lots and give a little back. eg The Barrett Formula.

We learned that you would be left with cleaning up the nuclear and paying for generations and then that those that want you to have more would try that on.

7 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

Maybe this

https://highways-news.com/westminster-mps-lose-ev-charging-points/#:~:text=Charging%20points%20in%20New%20Palace%20Yard's%20underground,*%20**Availability%20of%20adequate%20infrastructure%20and%20power**

AI response to the query

Based on the source referenced in that article, it was removed “on health and safety grounds following a review by the Safety and Fire teams”

https://order-order.com/2025/04/30/parliament-scraps-electric-car-charging-points/

I’ve no idea if building is grade listed or there’s access limitation in case of fire. But those seem like valid reasons.

Residential covered car parks getting more charge points seems like the right thing to do, after risk assessments.

I wonder if they are also restricting Range Rover diesels from underground car parks? 🤣

Those diesels certainly seem to have a habit of destroying car parks.

9 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Based on the source referenced in that article, it was removed “on health and safety grounds following a review by the Safety and Fire teams”

https://order-order.com/2025/04/30/parliament-scraps-electric-car-charging-points/

I’ve no idea if building is grade listed or there’s access limitation in case of fire. But those seem like valid reasons.

Residential covered car parks getting more charge points seems like the right thing to do, after risk assessments.

I wonder if they are also restricting Range Rover diesels from underground car parks? 🤣

Those diesels certainly seem to have a habit of destroying car parks.

I am just glad that the "Oh yes they did" "Oh no they didn't" pantomime can come to an end.

42 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

I am just glad that the "Oh yes they did" "Oh no they didn't" pantomime can come to an end.

Amen to that.

53 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

I am just glad that the "Oh yes they did" "Oh no they didn't" pantomime can come to an end.

Having solid sources with each assertion will do that.

Claiming computer broke will only perpetuate the childish arguments.

8 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

Google answers the question asked related to how the question is asked.

It is not possible for the public to park in an underground car park at Westminster.

Hence two answers to what people think is the same question

Many of us, of a certain age, know of the Parliamentary car park as there was a car bomb with killed NI Sec as he was driving out .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Airey_Neave

Was not the opening sequence of "The Prisoner" filmed there ? (Below picture)

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Having solid sources with each assertion will do that.

Claiming computer broke will only perpetuate the childish arguments.

Or of course, do your own research instead of perpetuating the arguments, even if solid sources are given each time, some people will always endeavour to disprove things, when in reality, it's like I say, time will tell.

@lol-lol yes, you are correct, I remember that bombing and the opening scene was indeed shot there.

6 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@lol-lol yes, you are correct, I remember that bombing and the opening scene was indeed shot there.

Love the bit where Patrick, great name, McGoohan drives his Lotus 7 (?) underneath the barrier before it even goes up. Then there is the beautiful Portmerion is the final seconds of the clip.

Edited 30 October, 202530 Oct by lol-lol

22 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Or of course, do your own research instead of perpetuating the arguments, even if solid sources are given each time, some people will always endeavour to disprove things, when in reality, it's like I say, time will tell.

What is wrong with asking for source of information when it wasn't provided?

Why do you expect people to do their own research? When you could have easily posted your source of information? Is it so hard to copy+paste your references whilst you are typing up your assertions?

This isn't a banter thread. If you want truth, evaluating the source is just as important.

Meanwhile, back in reality - The truth over 2000 miles give or take a hundred or so:

October 2024, Škoda Superb 1.5 tsi fuel costs £272.11

October 2025, Škoda Elroq 60 charging costs £41.77

@classic That is pretty impressive, but at the same time, was also predictable as well. As long as you can charge at home, and complete all your journeys on the single home charge and your overnight charge provides sufficient power for the next day.

A more compelling test would be one where you cannot do home charging, and you then have to rely solely on the public charging infrastructure, which, sadly, is the true situation for millions of car owners across the UK.

I suspect, judging from reports that I have seen, the cost of doing so is higher, and is not going to endear itself to more potential EV owners. There may be lots of people out there who would love to sport their green badge of honour and say that they are doing their bit towards Net Zero and climate change, but simply cannot afford to do so. That financial burden is highly likely to increase substantially in the forth coming budget.

If they can get the costs down to parity with an ICE or preferably significantly lower, then we might see a large uptake of EVs.

23 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

A more compelling test would be one where you cannot do home charging, and you then have to rely solely on the public charging infrastructure, which, sadly, is the true situation for millions of car owners across the UK.

Rapid charging @79p would be £471 so obviously the worlds not ready yet. But no-one is saying it is.

Said people, that would like to move to EV but can’t, should be telling the politicians that instead of saying “I’ll stick to ICE this doesn’t work for me.”

My back of an envelope calculations are that using expensive rapid chargers equates to around 20p per mile (Superb 1.5 petrol cost 15p per mile) , someone better at maths can do it accurately, but I reckon that is around 30mpg ish equivalent for my car averaging 3.5 miles per kWh.

That being the case it wouldn’t take much to bring public rapid pricing down on parity with petrol and diesel.

Edited 31 October, 202531 Oct by classic

40 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

Rapid charging @79p would be £471 so obviously the worlds not ready yet. But no-one is saying it is.

But only 4% of charging is done on Public charges abd if you need to then one gets a monthly subscription deal with a Public charger network of choice. Tesla the obvious one if one can stomach buying lecky from Elon but other deals like all you can eat from Octopus for £30 a month so £360 for the year. Massively less than I putting in my ICE cars even hyper efficient 1.4 wiesel car that was pretty dull to drive compared to any of the EVs I drive.

Edited 31 October, 202531 Oct by lol-lol

Halloween / Groundhog day.

This week my 60 mile return trip are using 18 kWh of home charging.

7 hours charge on the 3 pin plug gets me 15 kWh @ 6.7 pence and then 3 kW@ 28.19 pence.(To be back to 100%)

£1 and 84 pence.

If i do not need or want back up to 100% i can just charge over 2 nights, so 18 x 6.7 pence £1.20.

.............................

If i go away with 50 kW of home charging @ get 175 miles that is £3.35

Charging back to 100% @ 50 pence a kWh is £25 near enough. So £3.35 & £25 = £28.35 for 350 miles.

Or at 75 pence a kwh. £37.50 approx.= £40.85

If running an ICE getting 45 mpg @ 135 a litre. £6.14 a gallon is 7.7 gallons. £47.50 ish.

600 kWh charged exclusively at Tesla’s peak rate 40p equals £240, plus £10 membership cost. Still cheaper than diesels.

Off peak prices are as low as around 28p/kwh.

Ionity also have membership to bring cost down to around 45p/kwh.

It would be mad to not get membership if can’t charge at home and need to rely on public charging.