With UK electricity costs going up big time in 35 days ie about 5% on the daily cao price but I hope the Octopus 🐙 Night rate, GO and IOG, are lovely and cheap abd hope it stays that way.

I can see the single rate electricy cost and the Day time rate for the dual rate users like most of us EV users have.

UK government needs to off load much of these expensive add ons to electricity to put them on to gas or somewhere else across hydrocarbons ie natural gas, oil.

2 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

With UK electricity costs going up big time in 35 days ie about 5%

All this investment in solar and wind is really paying off for them isn't it.

6 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

All this investment in solar and wind is really paying off for them isn't it.

Solar and Wind us producing power at about 1p per kwh.

It is nuclear which is the really costly electricity source.

But we need to generate electricity during those non windy non sunny times or take the obvious route about installing hydro schemes like the Great Glens 30 Gwh pump storage scheme and Bristol Channel and Scottish Island tidal power schemes which can supply more consistent power.

Let hope we never get a Chenobol or Three Mile Island disaster.

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1 minute ago, lol-lol said:

Solar and Wind us producing power at about 1p per kwh.

It is nuclear which is the really costly electricity source.

But we need to generate electricity during those non windy non sunny times or take the obvious route about installing hydro schemes like the Great Glens 30 Gwh pump storage scheme and Bristol Channel and Scottish Island tidal power schemes which can supply more consistent power.

Let hope we never get a Chenobol or Three Mile Island disaster.

But the more wind and solar we add the higher the prices seem to go?

United Kingdom

• Record electricity generation: In 2024, renewable sources generated a record 143.7 TWh of electricity, up from 135.8 TWh in 2023.

• Majority of electricity: Renewables provided 50.4% of the UK's electricity in 2024, exceeding fossil fuels for the fourth time in five years.

• Key contributors: Offshore wind and solar generation both reached new annual record levels in 2024.

• Increased share: The share of electricity from low-carbon sources (renewables and nuclear) rose to a record 64.7% in 2024, up from 60.3% in 2023

Some murmurs that the quarterly published rates to compensate thise who drive for the business because as diesel and petrol cars progressively get better mileage due to the increasing amount of the electrical traction side ever increasing resulting in better mpg then the mileage rate will go down.

New rates, expected to be lower, due out Monday 1st of December.

An analysis found that energy giants have made over £125 billion in profits from their UK operations since 2020, with £40 billion occurring in the last two years.

2 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

But the more wind and solar we add the higher the prices seem to go?

United Kingdom

• Record electricity generation: In 2024, renewable sources generated a record 143.7 TWh of electricity, up from 135.8 TWh in 2023.

• Majority of electricity: Renewables provided 50.4% of the UK's electricity in 2024, exceeding fossil fuels for the fourth time in five years.

• Key contributors: Offshore wind and solar generation both reached new annual record levels in 2024.

• Increased share: The share of electricity from low-carbon sources (renewables and nuclear) rose to a record 64.7% in 2024, up from 60.3% in 2023

Not related.

Prices going up loads not due to renewable, but due to the nuclear program, debt relief to those who cannot pay etc.

Renewable prices, particularly solar, has been dropping like a stone. UK is now looking at sourcing cheaper but bigger Chinese wind turbines, 1000 feet plus in size, 20, 30, 35 MW which produce power at a lower pence per kwh than the current crop of 15 MW turbines.

It is the peg of electricity prices to gas and then all these add ons for the likes of Sizewell C and debt relief. Martin Lewis and Greg Jackson just did a good session on this on MSE show.

The total of over

£125 billion in profits made by energy giants from their UK operations since 2020 equates to approximately £878 per household per year.

9 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

The total of over

£125 billion in profits made by energy giants from their UK operations since 2020 equates to approximately £878 per household per year.

Oh yes we need to wack those profiteer oil and gas companies supplying the peaker electricity as they are making a killing, far more the the suppliers who pass on those costs.

UK needs to pay properly for that very expensive 4pm to 8 pm electricity. £1 per kwh or whatever the cost really is, i have heard it can be as high as £5 per kwh true cost at times.

We get cheap power at night but the other side of the coin is nany using power at tea time when actual cost can be 2, 4, 6,8 times and more than the 28p or so people are paying for lecky.

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2 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

UK needs to pay properly for that very expensive 4pm to 8 pm electricity.

Electricity has always been a problem in the past because they didn't have the technology to store it, now they do so it's pure profiteering and nothing else.

51 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

But the more wind and solar we add the higher the prices seem to go?

The price of UK electricity is not linked to renewables, that's the root cause of our price problem.

It is linked to fossil fuel:

https://www.livecharts.co.uk/MarketCharts/ngas.php

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2lplg7d9ewo

See that price cap spike at Q2 and it's now going up again together with gas price? See the extremely clear correlation?

46 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

The total of over

£125 billion in profits made by energy giants from their UK operations since 2020 equates to approximately £878 per household per year.

Would be interesting to see what percentage of those goes to fossil fuel companies.

@lol-lol UK electricity prices are not going up BIG TIME in 35 days. Ofgem says there will be a small monthly increase of 28 pence on the price of energy for a typical household who use electricity and gas and pay by direct debit compared to the level between January and March 2025 it is 1% or £20 higher. It is a 0.2% increase in the current cap.

11 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

The price of UK electricity is not linked to renewables,

I am well aware of that but we pay wind and solar farms at times for energy wasted, if the companies stored it we could actually pay them when it's needed.

When we don't need gas the price will still be set by the most expensive input and we will continue pay for waste. They will still make Billions

55 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@lol-lol UK electricity prices are not going up BIG TIME in 35 days. Ofgem says there will be a small monthly increase of 28 pence on the price of energy for a typical household who use electricity and gas and pay by direct debit compared to the level between January and March 2025 it is 1% or £20 higher. It is a 0.2% increase in the current cap.

Think my Day rate will be close to 30p per kwh.

Key thing is my 8.5 p per kwh Night rate does not change at all or if it does is still below 9 p per kwh.

Am trawling the Black Friday deals to see if there are some battery deals, plenty advertised at half price but prices should be naturally falling as the key component batteries have been falling big time in cost.

Aim is always to use no day time lecky and only nighttime, or solar generated lecky.

Not sure what to do, charging failed again last night. Car charged a bit In the evening then said session ended at 19:45. Ohme says the car is at 90% which is the target but the car says it only has 45%. No errors and no charge log to view.

[edit] went and checked the car itself, it said “Cannot connect” . After opening the car the red light on the charging port came on.

I unplugged and replugged the cable and it turned green and started to attempt charge. Ohme app back to showing the car with 0% so they are not talking

[edit 2] I've unpaired the car form Ohme. All it knows now is 'something' is plugged in it can charge. So back to relying on the car accepting charge I hope.

Edited 26 November, 202526 Nov by Aspman

And some people wonder why others have anxiety about EVs... Stories like this put people off having an EVs as they seem so much hassle compared to dumping a tankful of fuel in an ICE.

Sorry about your app problems @Aspman but reading about them (and another member today- Kodiaq IV) I just want to find a MkIV Ford Cortina Ghia and avoid all the technocrap

2 hours ago, Aspman said:

Not sure what to do, charging failed again last night. Car charged a bit In the evening then said session ended at 19:45. Ohme says the car is at 90% which is the target but the car says it only has 45%. No errors and no charge log to view.

[edit] went and checked the car itself, it said “Cannot connect” . After opening the car the red light on the charging port came on.

I unplugged and replugged the cable and it turned green and started to attempt charge. Ohme app back to showing the car with 0% so they are not talking

[edit 2] I've unpaired the car form Ohme. All it knows now is 'something' is plugged in it can charge. So back to relying on the car accepting charge I hope.

All these stories about the problems with supplier software talking to charger software makes me glad I keep it simple with Octopus GO rather than Intellgent Octopus GO.

Yes I only get 5 hours of cheap lecky at a slightly higher price but still 20p per kwh than the single or Day rate and in hundreds of charges, I have an INDRA charger and a PodPoint, I have never had a failed charging session.

Once or twice a year I reboot the charger to update the software as the both talk to my router and to the charger manufacturer but absolutely no issues with GO.

Just hope the ultra low prices stay when Day rates and Single rates get hiked in January.

@Lee01 the Ford Cortina Ghia period was probably the best period when cars were at their peak for drivability, reliability and self serviceability as they never really had any of the technocrap that cars of all types today have and it nearly always seems to be that stuff that cause the most problems.

25 minutes ago, skomaz said:

And some people wonder why others have anxiety about EVs... Stories like this put people off having an EVs as they seem so much hassle compared to dumping a tankful of fuel in an ICE.

At least Half the problems are nothing to do with the car.

I have one, I plug it in it charges. Simple.

4 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@Lee01 the Ford Cortina Ghia period was probably the best period when cars were at their peak for drivability, reliability and self serviceability as they never really had any of the technocrap that cars of all types today have and it nearly always seems to be that stuff that cause the most problems.

At least Mk 4s moved on from leaf suspension but it was still not great....

Friend had an earlish Lotus Cortina Mk1, twin cam, over 100 hp, deadly

19 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@Lee01 the Ford Cortina Ghia period was probably the best period when cars were at their peak for drivability, reliability and self serviceability as they never really had any of the technocrap that cars of all types today have and it nearly always seems to be that stuff that cause the most problems.

For me peak car era was a diesel in 2014 Lowest co2 max efficiency just keep them out of confined spaces like cities

20 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@Lee01 the Ford Cortina Ghia period was probably the best period when cars were at their peak for drivability, reliability and self serviceability as they never really had any of the technocrap that cars of all types today have and it nearly always seems to be that stuff that cause the most problems.

Shame they rotted into the ground within 10 years though.

My first was a MK1 (2nd hand) that looked like a new car in every aspect, but it just would not go above 45mph unless going downhill. Later I MK4s and MK5 s as company cars and the MK5 was a lovely car, comfortable, fast enough etc and very reliable.

OT on EV,s but this was my Mk2 Cortina Delux which had a Engine & Autobox from a 2000E fitted.