50 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Journeys of any length will be mostly done by a FSD car being summoned from the local car hire company and it will arrive in your road and you will pop yourself in the back. In some cases, longer journeys, this FSD car will take me to the Solihull Birmingham interchange station where I can get on a train that does two or three times the speed of a car on UK roads.

Will this scenario work getting two people, two suitcases, Dog plus food and a mobility scooter from Lancashire to Devon?

Edited Wednesday at 13:032 days by Stonekeeper

2 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

Will this scenario work getting two people, two suitcases, Dog plus food and a mobility scooter from Lancashire to Devon?

One would expect a full range of vehicles including cars or vans with the ability to have mobility scooters to be able to be loaded and unloaded.

One family member obsessed with cars or van with side opening side doors, battle between VW Buzz and Kia PV5.

Being 6 and a half feet tall adds to requirements !

Seriously - being in the industry - you must be stark raving bonkers to think that full self driving vehicles are 'the near future' for much of the population.

Yes there are a few places where they are being trialled but not without faults / problems and only in very small geographical areas. Whilst the industry (and certain well known billionaires) are prone to make extravagant claims they don't currently stack up and don't reflect reality.

There is then the issue of interior cleaning / sterilisation etc. between users (eg the drunk coming home from the pub who throws up int he back, or the person going to the hospital with a contagious disease).

Add to the above a human being's natural self preservation instinct and lack of trust, plus the differing nature of many parts of the UK (many don't live in cities which are where full self drive will be commercially viable) and we're decades away from it.

Kia ev4 march 26 £25,500 inc fees

some good deals in that auction.

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by Graham Butcher

On 02/08/2026 at 20:09, Graham Butcher said:

The problem with misinformation is that it may not be actual misinformation but factual information based in information that is not yet general knowledge.

Are you by any chance related to Rush Limbaugh, Graham?

On 05/08/2026 at 15:10, skomaz said:

Seriously - being in the industry - you must be stark raving bonkers to think that full self driving vehicles are 'the near future' for much of the population.

Yes there are a few places where they are being trialled but not without faults / problems and only in very small geographical areas. Whilst the industry (and certain well known billionaires) are prone to make extravagant claims they don't currently stack up and don't reflect reality.

There is then the issue of interior cleaning / sterilisation etc. between users (eg the drunk coming home from the pub who throws up int he back, or the person going to the hospital with a contagious disease).

Add to the above a human being's natural self preservation instinct and lack of trust, plus the differing nature of many parts of the UK (many don't live in cities which are where full self drive will be commercially viable) and we're decades away from it.

This seems to be the way (This is the Way). Use different models incluidng this Chinese one in the vid below. Waymo is a Google company.

Some yjousands of imports into the US despite the over 100% Ad Valorem tariff. Arriving in many US cities,as well as London and Tokyo.

Thirty Chinese cities have driverless taxis, not Waymo but local brands, as well as projects in Singapore and some ME Gulf states.

South China Morning Post

Chinese robotaxis race Waymo to take driverless cars global

Baidu’s Apollo Go, WeRide and Pony.ai are outnumbering their US counterparts with more projects in various stages of commercialisation.

https://waymo.com/waymo-in-uk/

Good solution which probably works better in the US, Australia etc thanks the cramped roads of Europe but might work for trunk operations like my old company did from Morocco thru Spain and France. Might work for 20 foot container trailers better than 40 foot or High cube 40 foots. 30 mpg for a truck is an operators dream.