5 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Interesting video by Dave Takes It On, where he tests ignoring the system on a Tesla which is telling him that he needs a charging stop to complete the planned trip. Then the car suddenly tells him (which he knew it would) that if he were to keep below 50mph, he should be able to make the trip and arrive with about -3% of range left.

So, is it another way to slow down travel in the interests of road safety? The same argument that Wales used when dropping 30mph roads down to 20mph? Similar to what our government are planning to do on rural roads?

He is not as smart as he thinks he is.

Tesla are known, like Renaults, for having substantial sub 0% buffers.

He makes too much of being a few miles short of range to charging station.

He recently moved from a S to an 3. According to Bjorn Nylands testing and did over 30 miles past 0% SoC.

Drama queen who should know better.

Is this purely Motorways in England with EV drivers that are on a go slow because too tight to pay public charging? @lol-lol did the same in ICE vehicles to hypermile. I did sometimes, but i would use a fast Coach that apparently had no max speed limits and would be happy to exceed even 70 mph. Winter night time i did draft hgv,s in my Corsa E. But twice was stopped by police because tgey were high value whiskey lorries anx the drivers called thd police. ABERDEEN bypass.

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9 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Is this purely Motorways in England with EV drivers that are on a go slow because too tight to pay public charging? @lol-lol did the same in ICE vehicles to hypermile. I did sonetimes, but i would use a fast Coach that apparently had no max speed limits and would be happy to exceed even 70 mph. Winter night time i did draft hgv,s in my Corsa E. But twice was stopped by police because tgey were high value whiskey lorries anx the drivers called thd police. ABERDEEN bypass.

I tend to find just cruising with the trucks, safe distance but bit of aero assist so around the 56 mph they are doing. Would not do 50 mph and mess up the trucks by forcing them to pass. False economy, better to do 56 in their slip stream.

You don't work 25 years in logistics, and have an uncle who owned/ ran 50 Artics, and have lots of sympathy for truckers. I like trucking and I like to truck.

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27 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Tesla are known, like Renaults, for having substantial sub 0% buffers.

He makes too much of being a few miles short of range to charging station.

His trip is entirely on the motorway, maybe he doesn't gamble with £100 fine and three penalty points

No @lol-lol but an Uncle with a haulage company with a few trucks and another whos business was buiding and construction with dozens of vans and lorries. Places to go, work and get home again. But then no Motorways north of Perth and few dual carraigeways back in the day.

5 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

His trip is entirely on the motorway, maybe he doesn't gamble with £100 fine and three penalty points

But it was not a gamble as he could have gone many miles beyond zero no bother. Push it to the extreme, sort of well past 20 miles past 0% SoC then he might have risked conking out but a few odd miles, no worries.

Tesla model 3, in BJ's run until it stops did show model 3 did somewhat quit rather abruptly which showed Teslas, like him, are not quite a clever as some might think. LFP chemisty does seem to act a bit differently to NMC lithium.

7 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

But it was not a gamble as he could have gone many miles beyond zero no bother. Push it to the extreme, sort of well past 20 miles past 0% SoC then he might have risked conking out but a few odd miles, no worries.

Tesla model 3, in BJ's run until it stops did show model 3 did somewhat quit rather abruptly which showed Teslas, like him, are not quite a clever as some might think. LFP chemisty does seem to act a bit differently to NMC lithium.

But by the same token, it is true with ICE cars, but there is always the chance the actual estimation is correct. There will always be tolerances and margins in all of these things. Surely the sensible thing to do is to accept what the car is telling you in order to do your very best not to get stranded. The sane thing to do is to react correctly in the same way was you would do if a engine warning light came on?

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

The new T pylons are some much less obtrusive. Shorter, squat. Saw a row of them from the M5 which are in place to take power from Hinkley C to the high voltage national grid. If tol many complaints then bury them like in Snowdonia. I gather Belgium is burying electricity lines as a national policy now.

Personally I find Tpylons more visually intrusive due to the solid thicker columns, as opposed to traditional lattice pylons.

Also the height they are at is more related to conductor type and not the pylon itself

57 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

He is not as smart as he thinks he is.

Tesla are known, like Renaults, for having substantial sub 0% buffers.

He makes too much of being a few miles short of range to charging station.

He recently moved from a S to an 3. According to Bjorn Nylands testing and did over 30 miles past 0% SoC.

Drama queen who should know better.

But maybe typical of most UK drivers??

Today 150 miles done in 2 3/4 hours. Half Motorway & with 20 miles range left. from a £3.50 Home charge. Charging now @ 55 pence a kWh so it will be £25 to get home with enough miles range for any diversions & hopefully no need to charge. Likely slower going home with traffic & time of day. No plan for keeping the speed down below the speed limits, or drafting or switching off the AC. Smallish battery and if even just 5% battery left and 10 miles to go i would stop and put in some charge as anything can happen in that 10 or so miles.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-CB07D968-612A-4FAB-977D-CD01C69464D0.html

I wonder if the car records how low you let it go for Battery warranty use..

16 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-CB07D968-612A-4FAB-977D-CD01C69464D0.html

I wonder if the car records how low you let it go for Battery warranty use..

It wouldn't surprise me. They used the recorded data that the Jag had stored to get a conviction.

40 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Today 150 miles done in 2 3/4 hours. Half Motorway & with 20 miles range left. from a £3.50 Home charge. Charging now @ 55 pence a kWh so it will be £25 to get home with enough miles range for any diversions & hopefully no need to charge. Likely slower going home with traffic & time of day. No plan for keeping the speed down below the speed limits, or drafting or switching off the AC. Smallish battery and if even just 5% battery left and 10 miles to go i would stop and put in some charge as anything can happen in that 10 or so miles.

What would be the minimum amount you can put in the battery at public chargers?

5 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

What would be the minimum amount you can put in the battery at public chargers?

I don't think there is a minimum. I have plugged in it starts and when i come back it had stopped after 1kw and i have had to start again.

Here in South Ayrshire the Council Tariff of 50 pence for 7/11 Kw chargers or 70 Pence for 22 / 50 chargers is a Minimum Charge of £5. When i had the Mini i might only need £3.50 worth but was charged £5. I no longer use the council chargers. Some places are £2 minimum charge, like Stirling, or it can be maybe £1.75 pence for the first kWh. Then a lower tariff after, say 55- 70 pence. Perth and Kinross, Dundee or Angus council chargers no minimum. But then if stopping at a charger like in Stirling at 65 pence a kWh then as well to get in at least the £2.00. There are plenty times I have been charged multiple £2 or £5 and had to complain to get a refund. Chargers starting and then cutting out.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by Evolution13

3 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Here in South Ayrshire the Council Tariff of 50 pence for 7/11 Kw chargers or 70 Pence for 22 / 50 chargers is a Minimum Charge of £5. When i had the Mini i might only need £3.50 worth but was charged £5. Some places are £2 minimum charge, like Stirling, or it can be maybe £1.75 pence for the first kWh. Then a lower tariff after, say 55- 70 pence.

70p for 22 KWs, presumably 3 phase AC same as the 11 KWs, is a bit of a rip off. 11 and 22 should be same price and 7 KW a buf cheaper as the single phase AC chargers are much cheaper to make / buy.

22 KW AC seems to be diminishing as less cars can use as more cars come with V2L, V2G etc the download AC rate seems to be more oft 11 rather than 22 KW AC.

Still yet to put our Mini on public charging but will need to when take to Cambridge next month. Will be a better experience tgan the Zoe with its 45 KW charging maximum and is known to be even worse at or above 40c ambient as air cooled battery pack comped to 5, mini and Scdnic liquid cooled packs.

22 kW very useful or essential for many and often is not counted as a Rapid Charge and just Fast. But where there are Side Tethered AC it can be 22 kW / 43/ 45 kW. unless the cars are being scrapped that were using 22 kW then it might as well be available. Many Zoe about including with the NHS. If we do not support or explain charging and vehicles then we can hardly expect those without a clue including councillors, mp,s, msp,s etc to understand there are all sorts of BEV,s out there and facilities are needed as the vehicle might last decades.

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48 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

I don't think there is a minimum. I have plugged in it starts and when i come back it had stopped after 1kw and i have had to start again.

I hear that there is supposed to be a minimum charge, is that not the case?

Not the case. Up to the provider / vendor, and many accept a false start. Some charging points have a 'Connection Fee'. Before the charge for electricity.

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30 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

70p for 22 KWs, presumably 3 phase AC same as the 11 KWs, is a bit of a rip off. 11 and 22 should be same price and 7 KW a buf cheaper as the single phase AC chargers are much cheaper to make / buy.

22 KW AC seems to be diminishing as less cars can use as more cars come with V2L, V2G etc the download AC rate seems to be more oft 11 rather than 22 KW AC.

Still yet to put our Mini on public charging but will need to when take to Cambridge next month. Will be a better experience tgan the Zoe with its 45 KW charging maximum and is known to be even worse at or above 40c ambient as air cooled battery pack comped to 5, mini and Scdnic liquid cooled packs.

Not too sure about what makes sense when it comes to public chargers. The faster ones cost more to buy while 11kw ones risk cars occupying a physical bay for longer, and high power/speed could process far more cars in a given period.

4 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I hear that there is supposed to be a minimum charge, is that not the case?

Not in my experience Applegreen for example send an email at start then another at end of charge i have come home to a dozen emails regarding one session with only the last one with a cost charged.

@Graham Butcher there are various stay times on rapid chargers in different regions of Scotland. 40 minutes Stirling. 60 or 70 in Dundee. Maybe day time and not through the night. 5 hours to 12 hours on Fast chargers AC. No limits some places. 40 to 60 minutes on a charger just giving out maybe 26 kW or 39 max is a total PITA as the one at Turnberry is. And you don't know the speed till you have started the charger and you are not going to stop sooner if there is a £5 minimum charge. Many seem to not care about a £30 penalty, not them paying and they have a job to do. Time is money, and some earn plenty.