1 hour ago, Evolution13 said:

I am paying 202.7 pence a litre for HVO and it worth every penny extra over derv or premium derv. Smooth running , less smelly and improved mpg. Gulf EvoUltra. Limited availability in Scotland as far as filling stations. But not at Trade / Bunkered suppliers.

What sort of mpg improvement are you seeing?

With HVO being able to reduce the CO₂ by upto 90%, I wonder if by declaring that your vehicle is running 100% on HVO, if you could get the VED reduced to reflect that of a comparable certified reduced CO₂. vehicle?

17 hours ago, lol-lol said:

EV drivers, newspapers etc, constantly quote the Gridserve 90p per KWh charge price,and as the dominate motorway services are used to "show" how expensive EV charging can be.

But thats only the same as the way petrol or diesel prices are quoted too, with the numbers often reflecting the highest prices per litre in remote rural areas, motorway services, or London which often aren't reflective of what the vast majority of people actually pay.

53 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

What sort of mpg improvement are you seeing?

With HVO being able to reduce the CO₂ by upto 90%, I wonder if by declaring that your vehicle is running 100% on HVO, if you could get the VED reduced to reflect that of a comparable certified reduced CO₂. vehicle?

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

What sort of mpg improvement are you seeing?

With HVO being able to reduce the CO₂ by upto 90%, I wonder if by declaring that your vehicle is running 100% on HVO, if you could get the VED reduced to reflect that of a comparable certified reduced CO₂. vehicle?

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

What sort of mpg improvement are you seeing?

With HVO being able to reduce the CO₂ by upto 90%, I wonder if by declaring that your vehicle is running 100% on HVO, if you could get the VED reduced to reflect that of a comparable certified reduced CO₂. vehicle?

CO2 production would be very similar.

What might be different is that 90% of the carbon released has come from "renewable" ie organic source. Airline are moving thus way as well as F1 etc.

Still adding to atmospheric carbon dioxide and adding to the global warming that we are seeing the consequences in weather change, fires, crop reductions etc etc.

The solar eclipse power down results are in with Octopus and I have earned an hour of free electricity between 1300 and 1400 ie when our local fusion generator, Sol, is at its peak without the Earth's moon interjecting.

Will try and download around 16 KWh of lecky in that spell.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by lol-lol

@Graham Butcher local short trips from home for maybe just 5-15 miles, 30 mph - 60 mph it is 23 mpg on Tesco, Asda or Gulf diesel. 25-27 on BP Supreme diesel which is 10 pence a litre 5 or 10 miles away from my local Shell V-power. There are 2 2 miles apart and the one at the A9 side is a couple of pence cheaper. The HVO local same price as that V-power local. HVO has been constant showing 30-32mpg. Arbroath or Dundee much lower prices for Esso or BP premium diesel. PS, it was like Rolling Coal on Tesco or Asda diesel, but I might just have blown out the cobwebs and any carbon build up now from when I got the 2.4 diesel no SCR / Adblue with 113,000 miles. Done 2,000 miles since May.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by Evolution13

21 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

CO2 production would be very similar.

What might be different is that 90% of the carbon released has come from "renewable" ie organic source. Airline are moving thus way as well as F1 etc.

Still adding to atmospheric carbon dioxide and adding to the global warming that we are seeing the consequences in weather change, fires, crop reductions etc etc.

Nope, nice try but no cigar. I try to verify things first, and the claims that you're questioning as mine are taken directly from an HVO supplier's website. HVO Fuel FAQ – What is HVO & Who can use it? | Crown Oil

This time I still have their website on my screen and also saved in my favourites, so I can revisit whenever I like; this has not always happened in the past.

Below is a screenshot from part of their website, and if you actually do click on that link, you can actually verify for yourself that I'm claiming something that has excellent backup proof. I don't go in for all that TLDNR BS myself; like I've always claimed, I have an open mind, and I can be swayed to change my mind if there is sufficient proof and the provider of the proof has no vested interest in achieving a particular outcome.

I admit that on THIS occasion that website does indeed have a vested interest in getting people to believe what they say. So on this occasion I'm only using it to illustrate beyond doubt that the words are not mine; I'm just quoting them in this instance.

Now if it is true, then this opens up another whole new chapter that needs to be explored thoroughly, as it could possibly be more sustainable.

Edited 56 minutes ago56 min by Graham Butcher

HVO how the 90% cleaner is achieved in how it is produced

The massive savings come from a "well-to-wheel" view. For every 1,000 litres of fossil diesel burned, you add roughly 3.6 tonnes of new CO2 to the environment. For 1,000 litres of HVO, the net lifecycle impact drops to about 0.195 tonnes

Will reducing the co2 in the atmosphere compensate for the rise in global temperature caused by cleaning the air?

3 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

I am paying 202.7 pence a litre for HVO and it worth every penny extra over derv or premium derv. Smooth running , less smelly and improved mpg.

Well well, looks like the V70 can partake of it:

And it’s available at my local BP 👍

Gaz

31 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Nope, nice try but no cigar. I try to verify things first, and the claims that you're questioning as mine are taken directly from an HVO supplier's website. HVO Fuel FAQ – What is HVO & Who can use it? | Crown Oil

This time I still have their website on my screen and also saved in my favourites, so I can revisit whenever I like; this has not always happened in the past.

Below is a screenshot from part of their website, and if you actually do click on that link, you can actually verify for yourself that I'm claiming something that has excellent backup proof. I don't go in for all that TLDNR BS myself; like I've always claimed, I have an open mind, and I can be swayed to change my mind if there is sufficient proof and the provider of the proof has no vested interest in achieving a particular outcome.

I admit that on THIS occasion that website does indeed have a vested interest in getting people to believe what they say. So on this occasion I'm only using it to illustrate beyond doubt that the words are not mine; I'm just quoting them in this instance.

Now if it is true, then this opens up another whole new chapter that needs to be explored thoroughly, as it could possibly be more sustainable.

It's what Nett means, 90% from recycled carbon, 10% from mineral carbon.

Just as dirty for the Earth.

Might burn a bit "smoother" and give slightly better mpg but fundamentally still carbon polluting. One good plant trees or carbon capture for each kilo of fuel produced but it will then compete even more badly against real renewable ie electricity used for cars from real purely renewable non carbon polluting source for vehicle propulsion.

I should have started a thread in Alternative fuels. Sorry.

Edited 15 minutes ago15 min by Evolution13

Getting back to the truth about electric cars,If you are fortunate enough to have a driveway, solar panels, and battery storage, you have essentially won the system. You get to fuel your car for next to nothing, and some people can even brag about getting paid to use their electricity.

But out in the real world, this setup is creating a massive economic divide, and it is driving a deep, stubborn resistance to abandoning petrol and diesel cars.

The current strategy focuses entirely on throwing money at discounting expensive new cars, but that misses the fundamental problem. Having vehicles that are only cheaper to fuel for the relatively wealthy does not encourage mass sales.

Think about the actual running costs. If you can charge at home on a smart overnight tariff, you are paying a fraction of what it costs to run an ICE car. But for the millions of UK households with no off-street parking, like people in terraced houses or flats, home charging is impossible. They are forced to use public rapid chargers, which makes an EV significantly more expensive to run than a standard petrol or diesel car. To make it even more unfair, the government charges full VAT on public electricity but only a reduced rate if you plug in on your own driveway.

Before anyone replies saying "but there are public night-time tariffs" or "you can find slow kerbside charging that equates to diesel price," that completely misses the point of how people actually use cars.

A working family or a commuter without a driveway shouldn't have to wander the streets at midnight or leave their car plugged into a slow lamp-post three streets away just to match the cost of diesel. For a mass transition to work, we need rapid charging that is easily available for all, everywhere, at an acceptable price. Expecting people to jump through logistical hoops just to achieve price parity with an ICE car is unrealistic.

When normal working people look at the current setup, they don't see progress. They see an elite lifestyle choice that is financially toxic for them. Seeing wealthy owners boast about free fuel while rapid public charging remains extortionate just creates resentment and a stubborn determination to stick with ICE cars.

Instead of targeting money at discounting new cars, that funding should be spent bringing the price of rapid public charging down to fair levels. If government money was used to subsidise and cap public charging tariffs so they actually matched home rates, the economic argument to switch would become undeniable for everyone. It would also instantly spark life into the second-hand market where normal people actually buy their cars.

Until we fix the running costs and accessibility for people who don't have a driveway, the mass EV transition is going absolutely nowhere.