10 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Mr IM Jolly is just getting on with earning a crust telling us the stories he finds.

The facts are the facts and yes the Vids are for Clicks, he is not changing the world any more than we are posting here or anywhere.. .

Nobody is claiming, least of all him, that he is doing so. All he is doing is precisely what you and others do when you come across some news, be it from personal first hand experience or what ever, passing it on for the benefit of others to make what they want to make from it.

The only differences being that many of the items he reports on are not being covered by our media, either online or in the printed word, and that he has chosen to make a living from it.

There was a President and thing started, then a new President and things continued,

now the one there at the start is back in and can scrap the whole green thing. He never liked the EV companies or owners anyway and obviously never took money from them for his election campaign.

Edited 30 July, 202530 Jul by Ootohere

More bad news, and this is from a pro EV person / vlogger.

Pro EV blogger and driver even. Actually has skin in the game. This sort of issue which is more than snagging faults is sadly common. Stallantis again like with the Vauxhall Corsa-e and drop links. They were an issue with ICE engines and more so with the additional weight of the EV. Tesla failings with suspension as well. VW with software and charging like with the ID3. It is how they address the issues that matter. Citroen / Stallantis are taking the pith with the Quadricycle as are the Supplying dealer or dealership getting the vehicle on for warranty work.

Edited 31 July, 202531 Jul by Ootohere

25 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Pro EV blogger and driver even. Actually has skin in the game. This sort of issue which is more than snagging faults is sadly common. Stallantis again like with the Vauxhall Corsa-e and drop links. They were an issue with ICE engines and more so with the additional weight of the EV. Tesla failings with suspension as well. VW with software and charging like with the ID3. It is how they address the issues that matter. Citroen / Stallantis are taking the pith with the Quadricycle as are the Supplying dealer or dealership getting the vehicle on for warranty work.

Which is one reason why these independent vloggers are so important in the grand scheme of things, as these are people who can and will expose these events for the benefit of those that are not aware of them. The companies themselves, as we have all witnessed at some point in our lives, will attempt to bury these bad events and silence anyone who dares to speak out about it until such times as the authorities get to find out and demand a recall is carried out.

But what is there to "expose", has it really been "bury" or "silence"? Talking like a tin foil hat wearer, you seem to be drawn to these kind of videos.

There are many common issue with many model of car (not general EV issue), the issues are usually are well documented elsewhere on the internet, typically on specialised forum (such as this one for Skoda).

For example, I've no doubt youtubers can make 20min videos talking waffles on VAG failing water pump. Title it something something EXPOSED and get thousands of views.

The Ami problem is well documented as the video repeatedly mentioned that many times.

When the politics side is in there and people can not see the wood for the trees that just adding to the confusion. The Green agenda is no more corrupt than the Governments being in bed with the heritage manufacturers and allowing corrupt practices. Seemingly there is something on the table to save Alexander Dennis building, or assembling electric busses in Scotland. Suppliers have already paid off employees though. Maybe Alexander Dennis EV busses are just not of the Spec that sone of the operators of Electric Busses in Scotland wanted. Aberdeen City had electric busses not fit for purpose . Out of service. Hydrogen Busses from Wright Bus as well. Lord Bamford of JCB and Boris Johnson's major sponsors son owns that company. Public money into the manufacturers into the bus company and the purchasing of lemons. Politicians and Government / councils and the usual ba-lls ups.

Edited 31 July, 202531 Jul by Ootohere

12 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

More bad news, and this is from a pro EV person / vlogger.

The quadricycle, not car, Ami is/was a very poor vehicle compared to Renault's Twizy IMO.

Twizy is much more Agile and was overjoyed to see a long line of them in Norway where they are being used for cruise ship passengers to use to visit sites inland. Also the Twizy looked good in the race in St Petersberg by Top Gear.

Not seen the spec on the new Quadricycle Ami, could hardly be a worse vehicle. Very limited appeal for these Quads and now proper cars like the Spring are down to about 10k then even less appeal, assuming one has a full car driving licence and left with quadricycle as the only choice.

With the £3750 grant details still unclear but SE Asian car makers keen to get their price cuts in early the choice for high quality cheap and small EVs just gets better week on week. Incredibly low running costs and very capable town cars that can also do a bit of motorway too.

Edited 31 July, 202531 Jul by lol-lol

Maybe some of these EVs should have been priced lower in the first place 🤷‍♂️

Autocar

These are all the electric cars being discounted to beat...

The new ECG was announced last month and will yield a discount on qualifying EVs of either £1500 or £3750

On 01/08/2025 at 11:33, Lee01 said:

Maybe some of these EVs should have been priced lower in the first place 🤷‍♂️

Autocar

These are all the electric cars being discounted to beat...

The new ECG was announced last month and will yield a discount on qualifying EVs of either £1500 or £3750

The production cost of electric cars has been falling rapidly and the cost of the battery pack has been falling very quickly ie 10 to 30% per year as the cost of lithium continues to fall rapidly. Also more cars are using the cheaper lithium iron phosphate battery material rather than lithium Nickel Molyidenium Cobalt type are materials.

The car companies will want to tru and keep market share and I think they will be able to action off their EV sales numbers to other cars sellers who are not hitting the 28% EV sales mandate.

Chinese cars, like MG/SAIC's finance and mixed in with Chinese government, less so BYD, but the EU has identified Dumping hence tge 18 to 48% Duty plus Anti Dumping Duty levy. EU should be racking in billions on this like Trump is on his tariffs.

I was thinking of getting a Dacia Spring as my reserve EV if the Senic or Mini were near empty or out being used but no there is such a wider choice of not so compromised EVS ie the T03 Leapmotor to name one.

Edited 3 August, 20253 Aug by lol-lol

Another Octopus Free energy session 1400 to 1500 hours tomorrow 5th of August 2025 as apparently there is an over abundance of solar and wind generation due !

Like the Asian EV makers offering discount on their EVs to match the upcoming EV grants on European EVs with high green credentials the garages might be inclined to give a free couple of litre of fuel ? Nah, unlikely.

What happened to those decent Tesco's kick backs on fuel ? Gone for every like Skoda's well pay the VAT promo !

There's also an abundance of wind power tonight.

I've kept the big battery car at a low SoC waiting for this. I'll be charging over 50 kWh tonight to help the grid. But leaving some space at the top (75% for Tesla, 70% for smaller V2H and home battery). Then use the free session to top up everything.

Looks chilly tomorrow morning, perfect time to use the shiny new heat pump (air-conditioning) system to heat up the house the morning. Then when free period hits (and the afternoon sun), conservatory would also need cooling. 🤣

As for EV's and where their battery go after life in cars:

Reduce - higher efficiency.

Reuse - Stationary storage (video subject)

Recycle - Redwood Materials are one of the companies that recycles battery.

6 hours ago, lol-lol said:

the garages might be inclined to give a free couple of litre of fuel ? Nah, unlikely.

FYI - you've said that quite a few times now.

I doubt I'm the only one who doesn't really find it that funny any more😉

50 minutes ago, Dieselgate said:

FYI - you've said that quite a few times now.

I doubt I'm the only one who doesn't really find it that funny any more😉

Not meant to be funny.

Sone of us who have already transitioned to EVs wonder when the lydites are going to get up with the program.

ICE vehicles are poisoning the world and contribution to climate change.

Temperature here in Worcestershire of almost 35c are no laughing matter and it will cause hundreds of deaths this summer in the UK and tens of thousands across Euope.

EVs are generally very cheap to run as well not progressing human extinction at anything like the rate as ICE vehicle Mr Dieselgate.

Next step heat pump instead of gas boiler now an all EV family.

The Fall of Because - Killing Joke.

Apparently the £3750 EV grant is conditional on the battery having an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty which is a double bonus it sounds like.

Edited 4 August, 20254 Aug by lol-lol

8 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Not meant to be funny.

Sone of us who have already transitioned to EVs wonder when the lydites are going to get up with the program.

ICE vehicles are poisoning the world and contribution to climate change.

Temperature here in Worcestershire of almost 35c are no laughing matter and it will cause hundreds of deaths this summer in the UK and tens of thousands across Euope.

EVs are generally very cheap to run as well not progressing human extinction at anything like the rate as ICE vehicle Mr Dieselgate.

Next step heat pump instead of gas boiler now an all EV family.

The Fall of Because - Killing Joke.

Do you really, in your heart, believe all that guff? Are you that gullible? I expect that if the governments said that the moon was really made from cheese, and that there really was a London bus or two on it that you would fall for that lie too?

Edited 5 August, 20255 Aug by Graham Butcher

Re the Grants up to £3,750 off EV,s costing under £37,000 in the UK.

What a ba-ll$ up really.

Great that the likes of the Chinese Manufacturers are taking £3,750 off the price of some EV,s & the likes of Skoda are guaranteeing £1,500 off even if the Grant does not apply to their cars.

This scheme seems thrown together.

A list of actual vehicles that have had £3,750 taken off the RRP due to the UK Government grant will be inteteresting to see, and those eligible for £1,500.

There are Youtube Vids, articles published & still it is very confusing.

What is clear as day is that many EV,s were over priced and yet again the Government will use Tax Payers money to have the price paid at a Dealers reduced.

That does not mean that they were overpriced though just because a subsidy reduces what some might actually pay.

New Eon Next Drive Tariff V10 has reduced the offpeak from 12am - 6am rather than 12 am - 7am and increased the tariff from 6.7 pence a kWh to 7.5 pence.

Well i think it has, because it came up on my phone and chrome book and showed that, then when i searched could not repeat that figures. I will check later.

I hope i never did not in error grabbed the new tariff for 12 months.

(I suspect that it might have been as it appeared on the screen and as i left the the site being trying to have me do exactly that.)

The probably want customers using the new Smart Drive Tariff and the 6.2 pence a kWh by using the App to start their charging.

EDIT.

Yes, V10 is not as good as V9.

Edited 5 August, 20255 Aug by Ootohere

9 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

What is clear as day is that many EV,s were over priced and yet again the Government will use Tax Payers money to have the price paid at a Dealers reduced.

It can also be argued (if one were inclined to do so, I don't usually bother) that the UK government have played the manufacturers' game extremely well. By offering a confusing grant parameters that many doesn't qualify, the government have managed to drive prices down without using tax payer's money.

But on the other hand, it had stalled EV sales.

Yes. Eon next drive off-peak price has gone up, 6.7p to 7.5p.

https://www.eonnext.com/tariffs/next-drive

Eon next drive smart has gone up by smaller amount, from 6.2p to 6.5p, still offers smart off-peak priced charging.

https://www.eonnext.com/tariffs/next-drive/smart

Agreed, driving down new EV prices on some of those @ £37,000 or below. Causing the reduction in the price of some not in the Scheme.

Not a help to the UK / EU / European manufactures maybe, not going to help them meet the Target for No Emission Vehicles.

Well unless the con of Trading Credits with Partners comes into things.

Making use of the manufacturers just producing and first registering only BEV,s or mainly only BEV,s.

As it is the price of used BEV,s and dealers ability to shift them and make profits is going to be worth watching.

There is going to be a cost to Tax Payers and the economy because of the Financial Institutes / Banks / Lenders which is Pension Funds & Savers money after all, not actually the Banks / Building Societies money.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Do you really, in your heart, believe all that guff? Are you that gullible? I expect that if the governments said that the moon was really made from cheese, and that there really was a London bus or two on it that you would fall for that lie too?

"All that"??

Which part is factually incorrect and made up by "the government"?

9 hours ago, lol-lol said:

ICE vehicles are poisoning the world and contribution to climate change.

Proven many times by multiple sources.

Use this thread for that: https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/529701-man-made-climate-change-the-need-for-immediate-action/

9 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Temperature here in Worcestershire of almost 35c are no laughing matter and it will cause hundreds of deaths this summer in the UK and tens of thousands across Euope.

Worcestershire temperature record can be easily found.

Extreme heat causing death are well established.

9 hours ago, lol-lol said:

EVs are generally very cheap to run as well not progressing human extinction at anything like the rate as ICE vehicle Mr Dieselgate.

Mentioned many time in thread the cheap running cost of EV's.

Human extinction and climate change link is questionable. But I don't believe any government had publicised that.

9 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Next step heat pump instead of gas boiler now an all EV family.

Clearly personal opinion based on personal circumstance.

I'm taking the PHEV approach with home heating. Electrify most months via my new 8 kW air-air heat pump (aka air conditioning).

Fall back to gas heating when it's extremely cold. Being a combi boiler, it also provides hot water.

Air-water heat pump (that is eligible for BUS grant, completely replace boiler) calculated I only need a 6 kW heat pump but must have water tank installed. I'm going to wait a bit longer see if there's combi boiler replacement solution.

Edited 5 August, 20255 Aug by wyx087
added link to climate change thread.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Do you really, in your heart, believe all that guff? Are you that gullible? I expect that if the governments said that the moon was really made from cheese, and that there really was a London bus or two on it that you would fall for that lie too?

Slam dunk..............

NOX

GOV.UK

Emissions of air pollutants in the UK – Nitrogen oxides (...

CO2 Carbon dioxide (CO₂) is an important heat-trapping gas, also known as a greenhouse gas, that comes from the extraction and burning of fossil fuels (such as coal, oil, and natural gas), from wildfires, and natural processes like volcanic eruptions. The first graph shows atmospheric CO₂ levels measured by NOAA at Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii, since 1958. The second graph shows CO₂ levels during Earth’s last three glacial cycles, as captured by air bubbles trapped in ice sheets and glaciers. Since the onset of industrial times in the 18th century, human activities have raised atmospheric CO₂ by 50% – meaning the amount of CO₂ is now 150% of its value in 1750. This human-induced rise is greater than the natural increase observed at the end of the last ice age 20,000 years ago.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/?intent=121

Edited 5 August, 20255 Aug by lol-lol

22 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Slam dunk..............

NOX

GOV.UK

Emissions of air pollutants in the UK – Nitrogen oxides (...

CO2 Carbon dioxide (CO₂) is an important heat-trapping gas, also known as a greenhouse gas, that comes from the extraction and burning of fossil fuels (such as coal, oil, and natural gas), from wildfires, and natural processes like volcanic eruptions. The first graph shows atmospheric CO₂ levels measured by NOAA at Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii, since 1958. The second graph shows CO₂ levels during Earth’s last three glacial cycles, as captured by air bubbles trapped in ice sheets and glaciers. Since the onset of industrial times in the 18th century, human activities have raised atmospheric CO₂ by 50% – meaning the amount of CO₂ is now 150% of its value in 1750. This human-induced rise is greater than the natural increase observed at the end of the last ice age 20,000 years ago.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/?intent=121

And there we have it, of course no governments/politicians would ever dream of distorting the figures, or of actually listening to the lobby groups with the biggest financial clout, would they, no its totally unheard off...................

Edited 5 August, 20255 Aug by Graham Butcher

20 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

And there we have it, of course no governments/politicians would ever dream of distorting the figures, or of actually listening to the lobby groups with the biggest amount financial clout, would they, no its totally unheard off...................

The lobby group with biggest amount of financial clout was the fossil fuel industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

It would be helpful if you cite your sources.

Which lobby group (or industry backing the said lobby group) are you referring to? Where are their funding sources?