I can understand an EV not coming with a 3 pin charger cable as standard, but without a Type 2 cable with the car would be ridiculous.

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Who has said this would be the situation?

11 hours ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Another delay and now it might not come with charging cables or a granny charger any more. FFS!

 

Seriously tempting to tell them to stick it or just buy it cash, then immediately sell it for a couple of k over RRP.

 

 

Which is such a scary proposition as there are so many different Type 2 cables and it is surely critical one gets to match the cars onboard charger spec ie 7,11,16,22,43 kw.

 

I think 11,16,22 and 43 are all 3 phase so that Type 2 is considerably wider girth.

 

Sometime I could do with a 10M type 2 instead of 5 to 6 metre which does reach the works charge 2 or 3 parking bays away and then I have to be a pain and ask workmates to move their cars.

 

I always like to carry a spare type 2 as I have had the charge post refuse to unlock my cable and almost had to leave without it then the works electrician would have to arrange to have it send back to me once the release had been done so I end up carrying 3 sometime ie two type 2 and the granny !

 

It’s the granny charger too, so a £300 essential to get you a charge in difficult situations. Now missing £500 of cables!

1 hour ago, cheezemonkhai said:

It’s the granny charger too, so a £300 essential to get you a charge in difficult situations. Now missing £500 of cables!

 

Got my granny from screw fix. Used several times and seems good in all respects and can use with a heavy duty extension lead. I think it was£139 Inc vat. 

@cheezemonkhaiI purchased a 3 pin lead as invaluable for pre-heating in winter and having a full battery for the coldest weather for me to get enough range before the next charge.

 

A Type 2 cable is something i use every day that i am getting free charges and where there are those that go on a tethered AC charger rather than bother getting out their own cable can inconvenience those that need on a tethered AC. 

 

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I had a look with a google about EV6 charging cables, i see other world regions, 

Are they really not going to supply a AC Type 2 cable in the UK with a new car?

 

Edited 31 July, 20223 yr by roottoot

8 hours ago, roottoot said:

@cheezemonkhaiI purchased a 3 pin lead as invaluable for pre-heating in winter and having a full battery for the coldest weather for me to get enough range before the next charge.

 

A Type 2 cable is something i use every day that i am getting free charges and where there are those that go on a tethered AC charger rather than bother getting out their own cable can inconvenience those that need on a tethered AC. 

 

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I had a look with a google about EV6 charging cables, i see other world regions, 

Are they really not going to supply a AC Type 2 cable in the UK with a new car?

 

I was told by the dealer that as of 1st July build dates they’re phasing out included cables, the granny charger due to shortages.

 

With delays on delivery that’s catching a lot of older orders.

 

It’s far from just Kia though.

Edited 31 July, 20223 yr by cheezemonkhai

32A 3 phase type 2 5m and 10m granny type 2 are at screwfix and cheaper than elsewhere. A £425 bill is better than a £600 bill but still ridiculous for a car that came with them when a deposit was paid.

Can you imagine having to pay an extra £600 for a fuel filler neck on an ICE vehicle?

Well, the cables are a one time purchase. It's like the EV charger outside my house, Nissan contributed towards it, I only paid £99 upgrade to 7kW version. Now there's no other cost for any newer EV's. Same with cables, it's a first-time adoption cost.

 

I test drove Skoda Enyaq, Kia EV6 and Tesla Model Y over the weekend. I've decided to keep and un-hold my Model Y reservation and forget about other EV's. It's just no competition in my eyes.

The Skoda feels like a more modern version of my Octavia, replace ICE with electric bits. There's no battery pre-heating for rapid charging, sat-nav doesn't calculate en-route charging and the screen is as laggy as my 2013 Skoda. Though as a car, it's every bit Skoda and competent, only let down by poor EV-ness.

The Kia EV6 ticks most boxes on paper and feels good to drive except for when cancelling ACC while i-pedal is engaged, it goes to max re-gen. But Kia dealership person kept feeding me BS on EV's (claims it can do up to 350 miles, claims "will soon able to access" all Tesla supercharger, claims new Niro EV is also 800v) despite I've told him I've been driving EV for many years. Also pushes me towards Niro EV due to shorter lead time. Not the kind of dealership I want to deal with TBH.

 

 

1 hour ago, KenONeill said:

Can you imagine having to pay an extra £600 for a fuel filler neck on an ICE vehicle?

Indeed, car manufacturers are somewhat taking the proverbial now.

 

@wyx087 that dealer sounds like one I’d want to avoid too. FWIW there was supposed to be an Update to adjust the odd iPedel mode with ACC. It’s not entirely unexpected if you think about it as zero accelerator = max retardation in iPedel mode.

 

For me the price of the Y and the touchscreen dependency of the Tesla put me off. Supercharger network is a boon, but they’re still busy.

Edited 31 July, 20223 yr by cheezemonkhai

The Car Manufacturers are not building cars without a charging port.

 

If the Importer & franchised Dealers are not including a AC charging cable then that is not the Manufacturer that is a Retailer. 

 

 

 

Edited 1 August, 20223 yr by roottoot

8 hours ago, cheezemonkhai said:

@wyx087 that dealer sounds like one I’d want to avoid too. FWIW there was supposed to be an Update to adjust the odd iPedel mode with ACC. It’s not entirely unexpected if you think about it as zero accelerator = max retardation in iPedel mode.

Yeah, Leaf does the same, though regen isn't as strong so it's acceptable. I would have expected re-gen to be mixed in gradually on cancelling CC. 

The Tesla seems to behave like I described. 

 

The touch screen controls seems okay to me personally. I only would have liked 2 button toggles, one for auto-hold off + release-brake-creep mode for parking. The other for acceleration mode, the standard is too much and chill doesn't give full beans until a few seconds after, unless I didn't press hard enough, there isn't appear to be kick-down to override chill mode. Both toggles can be added via 3rd party "S3XY button" if I can't get used to touch screen.

The price is very similar for me, £49k for cheapest RWD EV6 with heatpump and a colour option or starting £57k for top spec EV6 trim VS £56k for my blue colour Y LR order that I made back in April-ish time. Of course, ordering one now the Y starts at £59k. I'm happy to pay a tiny bit more for guaranteed access to all superchargers on top of other chargers. 

 

There's also the lead time. New Niro EV lead time is similar to Tesla Y, but wife says it's Leaf sized, not big enough for road trips with grandparents (4 adults and 1 child). EV6 has 10-12 months lead time, same as Enyaq. 

What the current lead on the Y?

an AWD ev6 with heat pump was about £1500 more than the price you gave, so things must have increased a lot or a dealer is taking the …

Dec-Feb is current estimates for me when I released the hold on my order. It'll be the same as if people were place a new order now.

 

This is current price, I remembered incorrectly for top spec price, either way, it's more than my Model Y order.

+675 for paint options other than red.

 

I haven't compared the spec closely, but a £52k AWD mid-trim Kia EV6 vs £56k Tesla Y LR still feels like no competition. I was expecting mid-£45k on other cars (with comparable spec) to make them worth considering. But that puts me in Niro EV level within Kia or ID3.

 

I did note even now, their charging cable accessary is written as replacement or spare. So at very least you should get a Type 2 cable.

 

FWIW, Tesla cannot say whether I will get the mobile charger, but will definitely get the Type 2 cable. I need another 7 or 8 meter one for home charging.

You get mobile chargers, that is the 7 or 11 kW AC built into the car.

 

A 3 pin charger is actually not a charger just a way to provide power to the charger. 

Ah yes, you are right. Tesla UMC stands for universal mobile connector, not charger!

 

The brick in the domestic 3-pin is for safety checks. Not a charger.

This looks quite a good deal and can be controlled for 6,8,10 and 13 amperes......

Actually several granny chargers in the £159 to £200 range some with variable charging at different amperes.

I want one to link with my solar generator so I can run my Zoe on sunshine but some solar generators are only 2000w invertors so 8 amps would be about it.

 

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Portable-Charging-Adjustable-Current-Waterproof-13A-UK-3PIN-5M-Controllable/dp/B09Q8HLZ21/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?adgrpid=106305645793&gclid=Cj0KCQjw852XBhC6ARIsAJsFPN0EWR-mYvwYA0TIXQQsJofKTWjVWSTFgCd5rQX754z9ml-B9j3MCVAaAqDIEALw_wcB&hvadid=606046703649&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9045569&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=13222935411644537395&hvtargid=kwd-967122635169&hydadcr=26584_2698127&keywords=3+pin+to+type+2+charging+cable&qid=1659350484&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyWUpIU0hDVzdSTERaJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjE4NTIwMkpCSU5HMThSRUE2TyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDE3ODY4WjgwOFNZV1ZVOVNFJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

 

Edited 1 August, 20223 yr by lol-lol

I can understand you not getting the granny charger but they must supply you with means to charge your car via type 2 cable, so this should be supplied. Have you checked with the dealer that they have their facts straight?

4 minutes ago, Luckypants said:

I can understand you not getting the granny charger but they must supply you with means to charge your car via type 2 cable, so this should be supplied. Have you checked with the dealer that they have their facts straight?

 

I was physically say with them when they were reading the bulleten.

TBH the granny charger is totally required these days as you can't get a type 2 charger installer with a slot any time soon.

The bulletent just stated it's being phased out.

 

RE: the third party granny chargers, I'm not keen on those that are 13A rather than 10A. Sure it's nice to get the extra miles, but baring in mind it's going into many a different socket, with varying ages etc, I'd rather stay below 10A knowing I can use it without a risk of overheating an older socket.

 

 

 

 

@wyx087Just looked at the model Y and it’s about the same price as an EV6 on PCP. That’s probably 50-60% more than the lease prices for the EV6 back when I ordered, but if I was ordering today there’s no way it’d be an EV6 over a Y for such similar pricing and shorter delivery times.

13 hours ago, roottoot said:

The Car Manufacturers are not building cars without a charging port.

 

If the Importer & franchised Dealers are not including a AC charging cable then that is not the Manufacturer that is a Retailer. 

 

 

 

The granny isn’t even available as an accessory and the build date memo sounded like it was a factory choice.

On 31/07/2022 at 22:53, wyx087 said:

Well, the cables are a one time purchase. It's like the EV charger outside my house, Nissan contributed towards it, I only paid £99 upgrade to 7kW version. Now there's no other cost for any newer EV's. Same with cables, it's a first-time adoption cost.

 

I test drove Skoda Enyaq, Kia EV6 and Tesla Model Y over the weekend. I've decided to keep and un-hold my Model Y reservation and forget about other EV's. It's just no competition in my eyes.

The Skoda feels like a more modern version of my Octavia, replace ICE with electric bits. There's no battery pre-heating for rapid charging, sat-nav doesn't calculate en-route charging and the screen is as laggy as my 2013 Skoda. Though as a car, it's every bit Skoda and competent, only let down by poor EV-ness.

The Kia EV6 ticks most boxes on paper and feels good to drive except for when cancelling ACC while i-pedal is engaged, it goes to max re-gen. But Kia dealership person kept feeding me BS on EV's (claims it can do up to 350 miles, claims "will soon able to access" all Tesla supercharger, claims new Niro EV is also 800v) despite I've told him I've been driving EV for many years. Also pushes me towards Niro EV due to shorter lead time. Not the kind of dealership I want to deal with TBH.

 

 

 

good luck, after owning a Tesla model 3 for14 months andnow an Enyaq for 13 months I can tell you the enyaq is a much better car than my Tesla. Pre conditioning is the one thing I wish the enyaq did but it's rarely an issue. In fact on 50 kW chargers the enyaq charges much faster (the tesla used to max out at 34 kW because it used the rest to warm the battery up. On the enyaq I typically get 48 kW. ANd the deal breaker was having to take the Tesla back for repairs every sinlge month, sometimes twice a month 😞 

Thanks. I'm aware of their build quality problems, I've got my fingers crossed for that.

 

On charging, we'll likely be using high powered chargers exclusively, more Tesla's than others because of our starting position (N London) and every direction have many of their chargers.

 

One thing I do think Enyaq does very well is ride comfort. It's just so smooth!

So far the Tesla Y owners i have spoken with have been delighted and that includes the young lady i have bumped into a few times when she is charging while she heads of  jogging.

(Not dogging.)

Her family have 2 new Tesla Y's.