7 minutes ago, numskull said:

Yeah, I hear you, but in my experience with new tyres, unfortunately and annoyingly, in a few ‘000’s miles they’ll be just a noisy internally as the tyres they’ve replaced. 

That’s possible, I doubt I’ve put more than 1k on them since sometime in May so time will tell but so far so good

 

These are EV rated so I’d like to think they’ll stay quiet

I’ll be interested to know how they turn out, as the P7’s are bloody noisy on rougher surfaces, like the M25/40, but they’re really quiet on smooth tarmac. 

3 minutes ago, numskull said:

I’ll be interested to know how they turn out, as the P7’s are bloody noisy on rougher surfaces, like the M25/40, but they’re really quiet on smooth tarmac. 

I only do about 3k a year so don’t listen to me for a long term review 😬

 

My friends probably covered about 5k since May and recently went to Wales on what he called rough roads, when he got back is when he said how much of a difference the 5 and 6 is

@Danoid Speedos 'over reading' is what they do from the factory. a little more circumference / total diameter has the speedo more accurate usually. 

 

Under reading speedo's are the problem. 

1 hour ago, roottoot said:

@Danoid Speedos 'over reading' is what they do from the factory. a little more circumference / total diameter has the speedo more accurate usually. 

 

Under reading speedo's are the problem. 

They do indeed, I just like the peace of mind knowing mine still over reads by design  incase there’s a speed camera van fishing, as the more the tyre wears with 245’s your going even more faster. That shouldn’t matter much unless you live on the 10%+2mph edge all the time 

In 1984, I was stopped for speeding at 80+ on the A3 in our Fiat Mirafiori TC2000. I said to the officer that it wasn’t possible I was going that fast, as the speedo in the Fiat was only showing we were travelling at circa 70. Naturally, he ignored that and went ahead with the ticket, after refusing to sit in the car and have his colleague follow us to confirm what I was saying was true. I was pi$$ed off, so I took the car the following day to Tony Brooks, the Fiat and Lancia dealership in Weybridge and spoke to the Service Manager whom I knew well. He took the car out and was shocked to find the speedo was unbelievably inaccurate from 20+ mph, which got progressively worse as the speed increased. He got permission to give written confirmation of this from Tony Brooks himself, which I then presented as evidence to the court. He also confirmed that it was the original OE factory fitted unit and the fine and endorsement, thankfully, were dismissed. He also very kindly had the speedo unit replaced FOC by Fiat and the original was destroyed. Those were the days. Can’t see any dealership doing that now. Mind you, Brooks were very customer focused. They had 24 hour weekday servicing, so you’d drop your car for a service as late as 21.00 and collect it the next morning after 06.00 and they also had weekend DIY servicing at their workshop, where you rented a bay and ramp by the hour and you were able to service or repair your car yourself, using OE parts, using factory and their own workshop tools; you literally didn’t even need a screwdriver. The SM and a couple of techs were also on hand to help and get one out of the inevitable difficulties. Of course, the dreaded H&S police and insurance regs would never allow that these days…<sigh> 

6 hours ago, numskull said:

In 1984, I was stopped for speeding at 80+ on the A3 in our Fiat Mirafiori TC2000. I said to the officer that it wasn’t possible I was going that fast, as the speedo in the Fiat was only showing we were travelling at circa 70. Naturally, he ignored that and went ahead with the ticket, after refusing to sit in the car and have his colleague follow us to confirm what I was saying was true. I was pi$$ed off, so I took the car the following day to Tony Brooks, the Fiat and Lancia dealership in Weybridge and spoke to the Service Manager whom I knew well. He took the car out and was shocked to find the speedo was unbelievably inaccurate from 20+ mph, which got progressively worse as the speed increased. He got permission to give written confirmation of this from Tony Brooks himself, which I then presented as evidence to the court. He also confirmed that it was the original OE factory fitted unit and the fine and endorsement, thankfully, were dismissed. He also very kindly had the speedo unit replaced FOC by Fiat and the original was destroyed. Those were the days. Can’t see any dealership doing that now. Mind you, Brooks were very customer focused. They had 24 hour weekday servicing, so you’d drop your car for a service as late as 21.00 and collect it the next morning after 06.00 and they also had weekend DIY servicing at their workshop, where you rented a bay and ramp by the hour and you were able to service or repair your car yourself, using OE parts, using factory and their own workshop tools; you literally didn’t even need a screwdriver. The SM and a couple of techs were also on hand to help and get one out of the inevitable difficulties. Of course, the dreaded H&S police and insurance regs would never allow that these days…<sigh> 

They were a great car. I drove several Fiat's over the years and always found their dealers very customer focused and parts were very cheap. Such a shame they've all but disappeared. 

1 hour ago, j caff said:

They were a great car. I drove several Fiat's over the years and always found their dealers very customer focused and parts were very cheap. Such a shame they've all but disappeared. 

Yep, the 1600 and 2000 Twin Cam engines were fab. And as for the Super Mirafiori, the TC2000; there are just 4 on the road and 14 on SORN. I had an Argenta SR for a while too. There are none licensed and only 2 on SORN. 

3 hours ago, numskull said:

Yep, the 1600 and 2000 Twin Cam engines were fab. And as for the Super Mirafiori, the TC2000; there are just 4 on the road and 14 on SORN. I had an Argenta SR for a while too. There are none licensed and only 2 on SORN. 

The argenta was the 132 I think. A boss of mine had a diesel Mirafiori, a rough beast but had a fair bit of poke for the time. The 130 was a luxurious machine too. I think we've drifted.... Away from tyres😏

Yeah, it was a reskinned 132; Car magazine called it “Fiats biggest dud!”
Oops we have. The Mirafiori had Pirelli P “somethings” which were semi low profiles which lasted about 6,000 miles!
I’m not certain which way I’ll go on the 280. I’m very happy with the longevity and wet and dry grip of the Pirelli, but the tyre roar is, well….annoying.