My 2017 2.0 TSI vRS turbo has started leaking oil and my garage says it needs replacing.  They've never come across this on such a low mileage Octavia before.  On checking the part number, they found that the original part (06K 145 874 L) was dropped on 01/02/2020 and replaced with exhaust gas turbocharger 06K 145 874 M.

Has anyone on here had a similar problem and did you get a contribution from Skoda for the failed turbo?

 

Phil

Aren't 06K 145 874 L and 06K 145 874 M compatible?

https://www.skoda-parts.com/spare-part/06k145874m-turbocharger-2-0tsi-skoda-22014.html

Later revision that is all.

 

Why do so many people think that a manufacturer should cough up when a part fails on an old second hand car?

 

Aside from where a manufacturer is liable and there has been a recall most contributions that I have read of have actually cost the customer more than had they not gone to the main dealer asking for one.

Replying to J.R.  "old second hand car"  -  I've had the car from new and it's only just 5 years old, regularly serviced, never thrashed, so I don't accept that it's an old 2nd hand car.  The turbo should last 100,000 miles easily.

My 2015 vRS's turbo failed at 22,000 miles and three years old - six weeks or so out of warranty.  It was owned by me from new.  No contribution from Skoda due to a TD1 marker (Revo remap).

 

To be fair, in my case, the turbo failing was caused by a fault on the cooling system.

 

Gaz

 

thanks Gaz

 

Did you get Skoda to replace it or take it to an independent turbo specialist?

And what sort of cost....?

Mine was slightly more complicated.  I argued with Skoda (local), that because of the time of year, I hadn't had the heating on for months, so it was quite likely (although impossible to prove) the coolant fault was there when the car had been in warranty.  This was accepted, and I agreed to pay a £250 contribution towards repairs.  The fault proved difficult to trace and diagnostics compounded the issue with several red herrings.  Several items were replaced, but the fault was eventually found by a technician feeling a hose that should've been hot but was actually cold.  In between this I'd collected the car awaiting a new part, but didn't make it home 🙁  The turbo had grenaded itself and there was some question as to whether it had taken the engine with it.  All work done by a local Skoda main dealer, and 30+ hours labour overall.  Skoda UK rejected any warranty or goodwill because of the TD1 Marker, and I was handed a £3,000 bill.

 

The whole sorry tale:

 

 

Gaz

 

1 hour ago, philgreenvrs said:

Replying to J.R.  "old second hand car"  -  I've had the car from new and it's only just 5 years old, regularly serviced, never thrashed, so I don't accept that it's an old 2nd hand car.  The turbo should last 100,000 miles easily.

That was entirely expected!

 

The warranty on your car expired 3 years ago, it became a second hand car the day you drove it out of the showroom.

 

Most turbos will indeed last well beyond 100K miles, yours didn't, that is life, do you understand what MTBF stands for and the significance of the 'M'?

 

Had it failed within the warranty period they should have replaced it but not without first trying to tap you up for diagnostic fees, by all means try and get some contribution but in reality it will end up costing cost you more even if you do succeed.

The conclusion to your previous thread is very sad Gaz, now with the benefit of hindsight I can see that there was some doubt in your mind back then "all being well..........." etc

14 minutes ago, J.R. said:

The conclusion to your previous thread is very sad Gaz, now with the benefit of hindsight I can see that there was some doubt in your mind back then "all being well..........." etc

 

I can't really complain.  I know the guys who worked on my car and the amount of effort and head scratching that went into fixing it.  Another notch on my one-of-those-things post.  Car was fine after and went like the clappers (circa 320bhp).  So much so that I was hesitant right up to handing the keys over when I traded it in for the GTI.

 

G

Thanks Gaz for your very comprehensive and sad explanation of your turbo "incident".

 

After your sorry tale and comments from J.R., I think it most unlikely Skoda would contribute, and main dealer labour costs for diagnostics could so easily get out of control.

 

1 hour ago, philgreenvrs said:

I think it most unlikely Skoda would contribute....

 

I don't agree Phil.  I think you should push Skoda.  Then decide if you want them to do it, or if it'll be more cost effective to use a good indy.

 

If you look at what happened to me, it would have cost me £250.  Having had the car remapped (after the warranty expired I might add) was my downfall, as Skoda UK used it as a get-out card (which of course it is).

 

So long as you've not had anything done that would void the warranty, if I were you, I'd be pushing Skoda.  I take John's point, turbo's let go, sh 1t happens.  I had a B5 Passat that was at 275k and on it's original turbo when I sold it.  There are plenty of tales of turbo's lasting a very long time, but there are also those of us who've experience the opposite from time to time.  Googling IS20 Turbo longevity/lifespan brings up some very interesting results. 

 

Best o'luck with getting it fixed 👍

 

Gaz

 

Edited 31 October, 20223 yr by Gaz
Getting past the swear filter

You've put me in a quandary now Gaz.   You think there's a feint chance...?

14 hours ago, philgreenvrs said:

Replying to J.R.  "old second hand car"  -  I've had the car from new and it's only just 5 years old, regularly serviced, never thrashed, so I don't accept that it's an old 2nd hand car.  The turbo should last 100,000 miles easily.

You have up to 6 years statutory  consumer protection with the selling dealer.  Not skoda UK. 

 

It Is up to you to prove the fault was present when you purchased I.e design or mfr or assembly fault.  The selling dealer will probably resist. Your only recourse on stat protection  then would be to take to small claims court and you will probably need an expert report st very least some sort of well reasoned report from your mechanics.

 

You are not guaranteed to win. But usually a retailer will try to avoid going to court if they think you have a reasonable case. 

 

Is it burning oil or dropping on ground? 

The oil is dropping on the ground.

I'd want a better than 50% chance of success to be paying for diagnostic tests and expert witness reports.

I leased the car from new, then bought it at the end of the 3 year lease, the lease company passing the sale to be handled by British Auctions.  So I'm really not sure who I should be going for....

13 minutes ago, philgreenvrs said:

The oil is dropping on the ground.

I'd want a better than 50% chance of success to be paying for diagnostic tests and expert witness reports.

I leased the car from new, then bought it at the end of the 3 year lease, the lease company passing the sale to be handled by British Auctions.  So I'm really not sure who I should be going for....

I'm just giving you options under the law*. Much more certain than a skoda goodwill claim at 5 years!

 

So where about on the turbo is it dropping from. A oil feed or return pipe?  Why is it not repairable? 

 

*= consumer protection laws, designed to protect purchasers from faulty goods that are not durable enough, which is thrust of your arguments.

Edited 1 November, 20223 yr by TheClient

Rebuild or exchange may also be a much cheaper option than a new VW OEM entire unit.

 

I had one person who VW wanted to replace the whole turbo, at a cost of £1,500 because the VW catalogue didn't show a part for the v band clip!!!!!  That member was pretty happy with my finding him a suitable part supplier.....

 

Surprised your mechanic didn't suggest a resolution path. Or is that what they've suggested. Or is the turbo cracked or something?  Still, you could probably by a recon unit.

9 hours ago, philgreenvrs said:

You've put me in a quandary now Gaz.   You think there's a feint chance...?

 

Yes.  Only you can decide what to do though.  And you won't know unless you ask.

 

A component, potentially non-moving, that should be keeping oil in, has failed.  It's what's happened that's the key.  If you want 'better than 50% chance', then maybe save yourself the trouble, but I'd want to know what was causing the issue.  Taking TheClients point, what if it was a copper washer on a banjo bolt? (one hopes not and that your mechanic would simply fix it, but you get the point).

 

There are plenty of turbo's available, with varying levels of warranty.  As per TC, I'd take the service exchange route if it were me - but not before knowing exactly what the problem is, and then deciding next steps.

 

Have you had any work done to the car that might dislodge anything turbo related?

 

Gaz

Hi Gaz, no, the only work ever done on the car has been the annual service and 4 new tyres at 35 months; covered within the monthly lease payment, just before I bought it 😁

Looking at the age of the car and the mileage does the car only do short town runs? Or is it a weekend car that drives motorway miles etc? Turbochargers do not like lots of short runs as they get a build up of burnt oil deposits on the turboshaft and that can cause an oil leak. Depending where the oil is leaking from a turbo specialist could rebuild it using new seals and clean it up for less than a new one. They are easy enough to remove and take apart so would keep overall cost down.

Hi Ecomatt, like most cars, short runs of 5 or 6 miles happen each week but there is plenty of motorway, dual carriageway and country A roads.  We have 2 cars and the vRS is always used for the longer runs.

Thanks for your suggestion of a turbo specialist - sounds like the way to go.