My 2019 Octavia 1.5t se dsg seems to be jerking whilst driving at low revs from a cold start. It's especially bad at around zero degrees, I've owned the car now for 4 months, it's covered 24k from new with a fsh, mainly skoda. I did notice it a bit over the summer months, but the issue wasn't as bad. 

I'm putting it down to the 'kangarooing', effect that seems to be effecting some of these engines.

I rang my local Skoda dealer, whom said it's not one of the vehicles that was eligible for the software update. 

Once the engine is fully warmed up it runs a lot better, I like my car within every other way, but cold morning starts can be annoying, especially at lower speeds up to 40 mph, worse on a slight downward incline. No ECU light present, either. I also had the plugs changed around 3 months ago now, by a Skoda dealer. I also believe the issue was there prior to the plug change. 

If I take it to my local dealer they want the usual £126 to look, offer no guarantee of finding or replicating the issue. 

So it maybe something I have to live with. 

I've been running it exclusively on E10 fuel, too. 

Any advise? 

 

 

 

 

 

Might be an idea to locate someone local with VCDS for a scan of the car, it will be cheaper than visting there.

Other would be to login to erWin Skoda for an hour (about £7.49) and download all your repair/wiring diagrams, your build codes, and most importantly to look over the online workshop information.

 

If you can view the online system yourself, you can look through what is historically called the "Red Book" and there is a massive list of TPI documents where they may list gearbox/engine known issues.

Tip: If you do, make sure you have available a PDF printer, so you can print/save the information to PDF files for when your hour expires.

 

Ask if you have more questions.

The usual £126 to look at the car is something that the service desk staff might quote.

Ask them about Skoda Fixed Price Servicing and Maintenance and participating dealers and the first 30 minutes of a diagnostic being £60.

If they know of no such thing ask them to go check with others, maybe on that computer they are trained to use.

 

Then at a service they are supposed to be doing a road test, plugging the car in and doing 'Software or hardware enhancements'.

 

If the Registration / VIN was checked and really your car is not part of the Software Update / Workshop Action / Recall Action / Service Campaign that does not mean it does not require one. 

 

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How much did you pay them to change the spark plugs, and at how many miles was that.

 

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

 

http://gov.uk/check-vehicle-recall

 

Edited 14 December, 20223 yr by toot

PS.

If E5 97/99 is only going to cost you less than £3 extra for Tesco Momentum 99 or Sainsburry Super Unleaded 97 then why not try a tank or 2. 

97 or 99 ron is the Minimum, it might be higher than minimum

1 hour ago, varooom said:

Might be an idea to locate someone local with VCDS for a scan of the car, it will be cheaper than visting there.

Other would be to login to erWin Skoda for an hour (about £7.49) and download all your repair/wiring diagrams, your build codes, and most importantly to look over the online workshop information.

 

If you can view the online system yourself, you can look through what is historically called the "Red Book" and there is a massive list of TPI documents where they may list gearbox/engine known issues.

Tip: If you do, make sure you have available a PDF printer, so you can print/save the information to PDF files for when your hour expires.

 

Ask if you have more questions.

Thanks for the info, I'll probably stick it in at the dealers to have a look at it within Jan (earliest they can do), as I have an in-house none Skoda warranty, which I could use at the Skoda garage, as they're within the same group. I think it's more engine related than the dsg box, my guess not enough fuel to the engine when it's cold. As the engine it's self seems very fuel efficient. Car runs fine once warm.

1 hour ago, toot said:

The usual £126 to look at the car is something that the service desk staff might quote.

Ask them about Skoda Fixed Price Servicing and Maintenance and participating dealers and the first 30 minutes of a diagnostic being £60.

If they know of no such thing ask them to go check with others, maybe on that computer they are trained to use.

 

Then at a service they are supposed to be doing a road test, plugging the car in and doing 'Software or hardware enhancements'.

 

If the Registration / VIN was checked and really your car is not part of the Software Update / Workshop Action / Recall Action / Service Campaign that does not mean it does not require one. 

 

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How much did you pay them to change the spark plugs, and at how many miles was that.

 

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

 

http://gov.uk/check-vehicle-recall

 

Thanks for your reply,

I had my plugs changed at the Skoda main dealer, didn't get a price, as they were finishing a major service off which was promised to me by another none Skoda main dealer, prior to me receiving the car. I didn't buy the car locally you see, once I took delivery of my car, I checked the service receipt & the supplying dealer had missed out the plugs. So agreed to have them changed at the Skoda main dealer. The plugs & service were carried out at around 20k, cars now covered 24k. prior to this it had a fssh. It was on a 2 yearly service schedule, I dropped it to a year. As I wanted to change the oil yearly for what it costs. 

The guy at the service desk didn't deny that the 1.5t was prone to cold running issues, just that this engine wasn't within the previous recall list for this issue. I have an in-house warranty, which may or may not cover this issue if they could find one. 

I'll have a think about their fixed price servicing deal within the future, but at this point I don't really want to commit to another two years worth of servicing, depending how long I keep the car. As it's my first Skoda.

 

Edited 14 December, 20223 yr by Phoenixboy

Spark plugs changed that early is odd.  Did someone think the car had issues?

 

I take that the plugs were changed by them with a pinch of salt. 

 

Full Service History of what done?

, there was just Oil @ Filter at 1 year and look see, and then that and a pollen filter @ 2 years

Brake Fluid @ 3 years.

57 minutes ago, toot said:

PS.

If E5 97/99 is only going to cost you less than £3 extra for Tesco Momentum 99 or Sainsburry Super Unleaded 97 then why not try a tank or 2. 

97 or 99 ron is the Minimum, it might be higher than minimum

I might try some higher octane fuel within my next tank to see if it actually helped or not. Although in theory my car should run OK on E10. I've never expperienced any issues with any petrol within the last 35 years plus of driving, but I suppose it's possible with this engine. 

They should all run great on e!0 / e5, 95 ron.     (Except those were VW prescribed 98 Super for GTI / R but forgot vRS & the UK stopped having 98 ron, that was said to be better for lower emissions.)

http://volkswagen.co.uk/en/need-help/need-help-faqs/fuel.html

 

 

The WLTP / RDE & RDE2 are done using 95 ron Unleaded.   

Under a WLTP regime, not at temps below the teens *oC ambients temps though.

 

But then they do not all run well and VW co-cked up the engine management and had to find patches and still some had issues and since they fixed things people are still having issues with some newer ones. 

Edited 14 December, 20223 yr by toot

Just now, toot said:

Spark plugs changed that early is odd.  Did someone think the car had issues?

 

I take that the plugs were changed by them with a pinch of salt. 

 

Full Service History of what done?

, there was just Oil @ Filter at 1 year and look see, and then that and a pollen filter @ 2 years

Brake Fluid @ 3 years.

No I asked for a major service to be done prior to me taking delivery of it as it was 3.5 years old, didn't think it would harm. 

Yes it had an oil change at the end of year one, end of year two a pollen, year 3 brake and clutch fluid. Then I bought it from a none Skoda main dealer when it was 3.5 years old.

Yes it was on a flexi service schedule. 

 

You have a DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG, no clutch fluid change for that.

There can be a software update for DQ200's with the issues, & the 1.5 TSI's as well as the engine software update.  Even though dealerships might say there is not.

Edited 14 December, 20223 yr by toot

10 minutes ago, toot said:

They should all run great on e!0 / e5, 95 ron.     (Except those were VW prescribed 98 Super for GTI / R but forgot vRS & the UK stopped having 98 ron, that was said to be better for lower emissions.)

 

The WLTP / RDE & RDE2 are done using 95 ron Unleaded.   

Under a WLTP regime, not at temps below the teens *oC ambients temps though.

 

But then they do not all run well and VW co-cked up the engine management and had to find patches and still some had issues and since they fixed things people are still having issues with some newer ones. 

Does make sense, as it feels as though it's running too lean when very cold. OK if I were to put my foot down hard (which I wouldn't want to do), especially bad at between 30-40 on a slight downhill incline within the first mile from starting cold. If you were straight onto motorway you'd have no issues at all, cold town driving it performs the most at around zero degrees from a cold start on e10 fuel. 

3 minutes ago, toot said:

You have a DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG, no clutch fluid change for that.

There can be a software update for some 1.5 TSI's as well as the engine software update.  Even though dealerships might say there is not.

7 speed dry box I have. 

I'm just making my mind up whether to stick it in the dealers or not or just live with it & maybe try some e5 first, then drop to e10 maybe over the summer. 

I think a lot of modern engines are now tuned to there emissions limits, which doesn't help. 

Made my mind up I'll try some e5 next & I'll post the results. 

Edited 14 December, 20223 yr by Phoenixboy

Has the Air Filter been replaced or even looked at?

Check it is dry and clean, just so that you know it is. 

10 minutes ago, toot said:

Has the Air Filter been replaced or even looked at?

Check it is dry and clean, just so that you know it is. 

Yep first thing I checked myself when I took delivery of my car, now that was an easy check. Oil looked clean, too. Only when I checked the receipt I noticed no plugs, rang them up, service manager agreed to have them changed at another Skoda garage within the same group, as this is what we'd agreed on prior to purchase & a years warranty. 

I think I'll try a tank full of Shell e10 first, as it should have more additives than the usual supermarket e10 stuff I normally use, if no better, then I'll try a tank of e5. Maybe the easier cheapest option first. 

Edited 14 December, 20223 yr by Phoenixboy

All 95 is E10 now regardless of Super Market or brand non supermarket.

Not all will have 10% bio. 

Shell fuel saver 95 ron is just that, nothing special.

 

The octane matters, we should not need to clean the engine, the oil also has detergents. 

More issues will be from bore wash than anything else over time.

 

We are on Winter Spec Petrol now, Mid October til April. Less hygroscopic over winter.  Probably less ethanol,  nobody is say that.  Well i am.

 

It is Super Unleaded that can have up to 5% Ethanol.

 

Swerve the Shell v-Power Nitro / Nitro + pinches of salt, as that is what detergents are. 

 Tesco Momentum 99. 

 Lovely stuff for us and you in the North of England.  Detergents as well, but more likely 99 +

It might well be 100 Ron or 100+ European Import.

 

Shell & Greenergy import together,  Greenergy produce / import Tesco fuel as Tesco Partly own, and for us the ESSO. 

So do not bother about Shell's extra detergents, we want that 5% ethanol if it is there, it might not be. 

 

The whole of the UK is not the same.

 

Edited 14 December, 20223 yr by toot

1 hour ago, Phoenixboy said:

Thanks for the info, I'll probably stick it in at the dealers to have a look at it within Jan (earliest they can do), as I have an in-house none Skoda warranty, which I could use at the Skoda garage, as they're within the same group. I think it's more engine related than the dsg box, my guess not enough fuel to the engine when it's cold. As the engine it's self seems very fuel efficient. Car runs fine once warm.

Thanks for your reply,

I had my plugs changed at the Skoda main dealer, didn't get a price, as they were finishing a major service off which was promised to me by another none Skoda main dealer, prior to me receiving the car. I didn't buy the car locally you see, once I took delivery of my car, I checked the service receipt & the supplying dealer had missed out the plugs. So agreed to have them changed at the Skoda main dealer. The plugs & service were carried out at around 20k, cars now covered 24k. prior to this it had a fssh. It was on a 2 yearly service schedule, I dropped it to a year. As I wanted to change the oil yearly for what it costs. 

The guy at the service desk didn't deny that the 1.5t was prone to cold running issues, just that this engine wasn't within the previous recall list for this issue. I have an in-house warranty, which may or may not cover this issue if they could find one. 

I'll have a think about their fixed price servicing deal within the future, but at this point I don't really want to commit to another two years worth of servicing, depending how long I keep the car. As it's my first Skoda.

 

Is it in eco mode ?

I have found they are happier in normal or sport and it doesn’t seem to make much difference to mpg.

52 minutes ago, classic said:

Is it in eco mode ?

I have found they are happier in normal or sport and it doesn’t seem to make much difference to mpg.

Normal mode, that's it's default setting. 

2 hours ago, toot said:

All 95 is E10 now regardless of Super Market or brand non supermarket.

Not all will have 10% bio. 

Shell fuel saver 95 ron is just that, nothing special.

 

The octane matters, we should not need to clean the engine, the oil also has detergents. 

More issues will be from bore wash than anything else over time.

 

We are on Winter Spec Petrol now, Mid October til April. Less hygroscopic over winter.  Probably less ethanol,  nobody is say that.  Well i am.

 

It is Super Unleaded that can have up to 5% Ethanol.

 

Swerve the Shell v-Power Nitro / Nitro + pinches of salt, as that is what detergents are. 

 Tesco Momentum 99. 

 Lovely stuff for us and you in the North of England.  Detergents as well, but more likely 99 +

It might well be 100 Ron or 100+ European Import.

 

Shell & Greenergy import together,  Greenergy produce / import Tesco fuel as Tesco Partly own, and for us the ESSO. 

So do not bother about Shell's extra detergents, we want that 5% ethanol if it is there, it might not be. 

 

The whole of the UK is not the same.

 

Have you used higher Octane fuel for a while? Up to now I've never had an issue with any supermarket fuel, e10 or other. That's if the issue would be improved with higher octane fuel, still it's worth a try. Cheaper than a visit to the dealers. I'd realised that the shell e10 stuff wasn't higher octane rated, just thought it would have more additives than reg supermarket fuel. Once I've ran a couple of tank fulls, I'll post my results. 

Edited 14 December, 20223 yr by Phoenixboy

I always use Super Unleaded petrol in a TSI.  In Fabia Twinchargers it was essential as standard or mapped if you wanted them to behave.

It was £2.25 a tank more expensive than Tesco 95 unleaded and cheaper than other Branded 95 ron.)

 

I also use in any petrol car that benefits from it and that can be just normal city cars with small engines. 

Like my Citroen Saxo i had for 11 years Kia Picanto for 7 years, or my Suzuki SX4 that is 11 years old.

Suzuki Jimny's i had over 18 years did not care what petrol was used. 

(If buying a petrol car i drop the oil and get rid of Long Life oil, put in new plugs and get in Tesco Momentum 99, 

i even use Momentum or Sainsburry Super unleaded in a loan or hire car.)

 

E10 was only introduced in September 2021 as standard for 95 ron in the UK and last winter might not have been so cold, and it was and is up to 10% bio so some might not have that, or did not last winter.

 

It is what the more additives does that matters really.

 

I doubt the petrol has anything to do with how your car is behaving as the Kangerooing is a well documented issue, and not for all the earlier or later 1.5 TSI ACT,s.

 

Personally i would be getting the 4 spark plugs out and inspected and the gap checked and since out put in new ones and know all is well with that.

 

First off is as well to get in 99 ron minimum super unleaded since you need to run on petrol anyway. 

 

If there is an invoice showing the 4 spark plugs part number maybe post what it is they fitted. 

 

 

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Edited 15 December, 20223 yr by toot

1 hour ago, toot said:

I always use Super Unleaded petrol in a TSI.  In Fabia Twinchargers it was essential as standard or mapped if you wanted them to behave.

It was £2.25 a tank more expensive than Tesco 95 unleaded and cheaper than other Branded 95 ron.)

 

I also use in any petrol car that benefits from it and that can be just normal city cars with small engines. 

Like my Citroen Saxo i had for 11 years Kia Picanto for 7 years, or my Suzuki SX4 that is 11 years old.

Suzuki Jimny's i had over 18 years did not care what petrol was used. 

(If buying a petrol car i drop the oil and get rid of Long Life oil, put in new plugs and get in Tesco Momentum 99, 

i even use Momentum or Sainsburry Super unleaded in a loan or hire car.)

 

E10 was only introduced in September 2021 as standard for 95 ron in the UK and last winter might not have been so cold, and it was and is up to 10% bio so some might not have that, or did not last winter.

 

It is what the more additives does that matters really.

 

I doubt the petrol has anything to do with how your car is behaving as the Kangerooing is a well documented issue, and not for all the earlier or later 1.5 TSI ACT,s.

 

Personally i would be getting the 4 spark plugs out and inspected and the gap checked and since out put in new ones and know all is well with that.

 

First off is as well to get in 99 ron minimum super unleaded since you need to run on petrol anyway. 

 

If there is an invoice showing the 4 spark plugs part number maybe post what it is they fitted. 

 

 

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The jerkiness was there prior to the new plugs being changed, not as bad, as it wasn't as cold then. I have a receipt for the new plugs, but just states- Additional work- spark pugs changed, then date, that's all. 

I'll see if the new fuel makes any difference, maybe something I have to live with, not at the point of cutting out, just slightly choppy for up to the first 2 miles of driving at zero degrees or below from a cold start, above that it's within the realms of acceptability. Maybe it's part of owning a fuel efficient gdi modern engine, as this issue seems well documented. Slightly too lean during cold running.

 

The oil the other main dealer had used, have no idea, probably 5w 30, as it's cheaper than the 0w 20 stuff. Although as I'm now changing it yearly, I travel around 8k a year, I'm not too bothered about that. Have an invoice for all the servicing done during it's last service, but only just states- oil, one unit at £45. Was a Ford main dealer that I bought it from, but part of the same group as the Skoda garage. Hence the extended warranty. Then the plugs were changed a month later at the Skoda garage. 

What sort of driving do you do?

A lot of short journeys, long commute, highway driving?

 

Edited 16 December, 20223 yr by Gerrycan

15 hours ago, Gerrycan said:

What sort of driving do you do?

A lot of short journeys, long commute, highway driving?

 

Probably mainly b roads & town, with some occasional motorway trips. So mixed, really. 

Our O4 1.5 is also jerky on cold, but it’s manual. I heard there was some software update, but dealer has no clue. I don’t know if you refer to the same issue 1.5 has on many different models, called kangarooing. 

21 hours ago, nidza said:

Our O4 1.5 is also jerky on cold, but it’s manual. I heard there was some software update, but dealer has no clue. I don’t know if you refer to the same issue 1.5 has on many different models, called kangarooing. 

I asked my local dealer about the software update, they ran my reg through their system & said there was no update available for it. To be honest I can live with it, just a bit annoying at times, only effects my car when the outside temperature was zero degrees or lower. Other than that it runs very sweetly. I'm putting it down being a "quirk", of the car/engine. Although I will try some different fuels, higher octane ratings to see if it makes any difference. 

My car has not quite performed the full kangerooing act, more a bit jerky/choppy at lower speeds up to around 40mph, more if you are trying to hold it at a certain speed, say at around 30mph around town.  Anything above freezing it performs perfectly well. 

Yours being an 04 registration, model, it'll be the 1.4t engine?

Edited 17 December, 20223 yr by Phoenixboy

Update of sorts. Just filled my tank for the first time ever with Tesco momentum 99 ron fuel, my car seems consistently smoother with better power delivery, compared to my usual E10 fuel. I've not used my car when the weather has dropped below zero yet, but when it does I'll update then. 

Both our TSI's only ever have Momentum in them, with the rare exception of if it's not available.  I had a tank of 95 Ron three years ago in Italy, and I'm certain I could notice a difference, not perhaps when pootling, but when under load.  It had a tank of Esso Supreme (99) recently when Tesco was closed and I couldn't notice any difference (except in my wallet - think it was £1.99pl).

 

Gaz