i wonder if somebody can help me, i have just changed my scala monte carlo for a kamiq se l and this has the same puny useless horn the scala had, on that the foglight and small grill came out to give access to the horn for me to change to a pair off a fabia (same mounting bracket) on the kamiq this part of the grill doesn't appear to be removable from the front. my question is can i remove the headlight from above without removing the bumper? the only other way would appear to be to remove the wheelarch liner but that's a much bigger job. Thanks

A job I must get around to doing, they aren't just puny and useless but a complete embarassment when you use it.

 

I rarely use mine and each time I regret it and make a vow to change it which I promptly forget.

That's weird - I've just done it today.

 

2 hours ago, ScalaMalc said:

 the only other way would appear to be to remove the wheelarch liner but that's a much bigger job. 

 

That's the way I did it,  removing the headlight/bumper is a helluva job, and I'm not sure that it would give very good access because of the location of the horn,  - but the wheelarch liner is an absolute doddle to remove.  Jack the car up, remove the left wheel, undo all of the visible torx fixings from the top, twelve  o'clock position of the liner down to where it is angled underneath the bottom edge - about a dozen in number - give the liner a bit of a waggle and pull it towards the hub/disc. The horn is then visible, in the rear of the wing space, tucked in between the screenwash reservoir and the liner.  It's literally just a few minutes' work.

 

I simply added a second horn, a deep-noted one, that I had bought from the local motor factors to repair my wife's car and then did not need to use.  In an other thread someone has mentioned that the specs of the horn relay and fuses are more than adequate for a second horn and I can vouch for the wiring being quite hefty, none of that weedy canbus stuff.  It really was a very simple job to do and I now have a 'dignified' tone, not the weak peep of the original horn.  I should perhaps have taken photos, but it really is such a simple job that it never occurred to me.

thanks for the info, i just need a nice day now to do it. 

Me too! 👍

On 21/12/2022 at 21:30, lastgasp said:

That's weird - I've just done it today.

 

 

That's the way I did it,  removing the headlight/bumper is a helluva job, and I'm not sure that it would give very good access because of the location of the horn,  - but the wheelarch liner is an absolute doddle to remove.  Jack the car up, remove the left wheel, undo all of the visible torx fixings from the top, twelve  o'clock position of the liner down to where it is angled underneath the bottom edge - about a dozen in number - give the liner a bit of a waggle and pull it towards the hub/disc. The horn is then visible, in the rear of the wing space, tucked in between the screenwash reservoir and the liner.  It's literally just a few minutes' work.

 

I simply added a second horn, a deep-noted one, that I had bought from the local motor factors to repair my wife's car and then did not need to use.  In an other thread someone has mentioned that the specs of the horn relay and fuses are more than adequate for a second horn and I can vouch for the wiring being quite hefty, none of that weedy canbus stuff.  It really was a very simple job to do and I now have a 'dignified' tone, not the weak peep of the original horn.  I should perhaps have taken photos, but it really is such a simple job that it never occurred to me.

Blimey, mine doesn’t bother me enough to have to go through all that ballache.  I’d rather be momentarily embarrassed if I have to use my horn.  Fair play to those of you who have changed it though👍

Edited 23 December, 20223 yr by carefree

I have not yet seen a Kamiq used as a taxi / private hire car yet.  Who are Kamiq drivers tooting the horn at HGV,s?   Maybe go stand outside your car and have someone press the horn, is it loud enough to alert pedestrians and cyclists?  What more do you need,? 

Nothing more to add☝️

On 23/12/2022 at 08:36, toot said:

I have not yet seen a Kamiq used as a taxi / private hire car yet.  Who are Kamiq drivers tooting the horn at HGV,s?   Maybe go stand outside your car and have someone press the horn, is it loud enough to alert pedestrians and cyclists?  What more do you need,? 

Because it doesn’t sound manly enough 

On 23/12/2022 at 08:36, toot said:

I have not yet seen a Kamiq used as a taxi / private hire car yet.  Who are Kamiq drivers tooting the horn at HGV,s?   Maybe go stand outside your car and have someone press the horn, is it loud enough to alert pedestrians and cyclists?  What more do you need,? 

A horn gives a warning to other road users, not just pedestrians and cyclists. If it can't be heard it's pointless.  So having just bought a Kamiq I'm certainly planning to change the horn as the standard one is useless as a warning to most drivers.

12 hours ago, sussamb said:

A horn gives a warning to other road users, not just pedestrians and cyclists. If it can't be heard it's pointless.  So having just bought a Kamiq I'm certainly planning to change the horn as the standard one is useless as a warning to most drivers.

 

It used to be recommeded that you could sound your horn to give warning when approaching a blind bend or blind hump-backed bridge (daylight hours only). For this to be effective the horn needs to be loud enough for approaching drivers to be able to hear the horn over the noise of their engine and potentially loud music.

?

Are the VW Group who were once the biggest car manufacturer in the world and Skoda unaware of that?

Strange they are turning out cars with just a pip squeek of an audible warning and have been for years now. 

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/489000-horn-is-embarrassing

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/491176-horn-replacement

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/466908-that-horn-again-replace-with-twin-horns

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/436335-horn

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/480254-horn

 

Edited 26 December, 20223 yr by toot

Clearly they are, thankfully it's a simple and cheap fix.

On 21/12/2022 at 21:30, lastgasp said:

That's weird - I've just done it today.

 

 

That's the way I did it,  removing the headlight/bumper is a helluva job, and I'm not sure that it would give very good access because of the location of the horn,  - but the wheelarch liner is an absolute doddle to remove.  Jack the car up, remove the left wheel, undo all of the visible torx fixings from the top, twelve  o'clock position of the liner down to where it is angled underneath the bottom edge - about a dozen in number - give the liner a bit of a waggle and pull it towards the hub/disc. The horn is then visible, in the rear of the wing space, tucked in between the screenwash reservoir and the liner.  It's literally just a few minutes' work.

 

I simply added a second horn, a deep-noted one, that I had bought from the local motor factors to repair my wife's car and then did not need to use.  In an other thread someone has mentioned that the specs of the horn relay and fuses are more than adequate for a second horn and I can vouch for the wiring being quite hefty, none of that weedy canbus stuff.  It really was a very simple job to do and I now have a 'dignified' tone, not the weak peep of the original horn.  I should perhaps have taken photos, but it really is such a simple job that it never occurred to me.

Can I ask a few questions. Was it tight getting a second horn in there or was there plenty of space? Were you able to use the original wiring or did you need to cut off the standard connector? Was there a separate earth wire? TIA

On 26/12/2022 at 10:13, Routemaster1461 said:

 

It used to be recommeded that you could sound your horn to give warning when approaching a blind bend or blind hump-backed bridge (daylight hours only). For this to be effective the horn needs to be loud enough for approaching drivers to be able to hear the horn over the noise of their engine and potentially loud music.

I could never understand this use of the horn. What does it mean? Is it to say ‘I’m here and I’m coming through’?  So what if two vehicles approaching the bridge/bend both sound their horns?  And what guarantee is there that any other driver has heard the horn, however loud?   Must be Hell for folks living near the bridge!

 

IMO blind bridges should be approached very slowly, leaving enough time to stop if another vehicle is coming the other way.  Thanks how I’ve acted for over 55 years, with no problems.

 

Apologies for mini thread hijack.

Edited 6 January, 20233 yr by Baxlin

It just gives an advance warning but you still need to proceed with caution. Remember one of the golden rules of advanced driving, you must always be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear.

1 hour ago, sussamb said:

Can I ask a few questions. Was it tight getting a second horn in there or was there plenty of space? Were you able to use the original wiring or did you need to cut off the standard connector? Was there a separate earth wire? TIA

hi, on my previous scala (basically the same car at the front) i changed the single horn for a pair including mounting bracket off a fabia, there is plenty of room by using the fabia mount (same single mounting bolt) this was done through the foglight fitting sadly not there on my new kamiq hence my previous question. the wiring just needs a slight tweak to connect to the existing plug

They have gone and built a new bridge down river from one of my favourite ones.

Toot toot tooting never did much here if someone was already on their way up the other side. 

34 minutes ago, ScalaMalc said:

hi, on my previous scala (basically the same car at the front) i changed the single horn for a pair including mounting bracket off a fabia, there is plenty of room by using the fabia mount (same single mounting bolt) this was done through the foglight fitting sadly not there on my new kamiq hence my previous question. the wiring just needs a slight tweak to connect to the existing plug

Thanks, what sort of tweak was it?

4 hours ago, sussamb said:

Can I ask a few questions. Was it tight getting a second horn in there or was there plenty of space? Were you able to use the original wiring or did you need to cut off the standard connector? Was there a separate earth wire? TIA

 

There is plenty of space  for a second horn behind the liner.

 

There are two wires/terminals to the horn, connected by a shaped, moulded connector that is possibly unique to the model or to Skoda. Fortunately there is a fair amount of wire accessible ahead of the connector, so I chose simply to bare a short section of each wire and to solder a spur onto them , rather than remove/change it.

 

The two spurs go to crimped spade terminals that fit to the extra horn.   (Not wishing to be pedantic, but I am sure you are aware, there is no such thing as an 'earth' on a simple 12v system.  One wire is the positive - the other is the negative, and polarity doesn't matter for a horn, so they are interchangeable. 

 

 

@lastgasp that's great, thank you.

13 hours ago, sussamb said:

Thanks, what sort of tweak was it?

hi the fabia horns came with plugs/wire, at a cost of £5...bargain. i just soldered 2 readily available pins to the attached wires to plug into the original horn socket. other methods of connection would also work (ie bullet connectors) i wrapped a bit of electrical insulation tape over the joint

9 minutes ago, ScalaMalc said:

hi the fabia horns came with plugs/wire, at a cost of £5...bargain. i just soldered 2 readily available pins to the attached wires to plug into the original horn socket. other methods of connection would also work (ie bullet connectors) i wrapped a bit of electrical insulation tape over the joint

Thanks, now have some new horns, just need some time to fit them 😁

On 06/01/2023 at 23:07, lastgasp said:

 

There is plenty of space  for a second horn behind the liner.

 

There are two wires/terminals to the horn, connected by a shaped, moulded connector that is possibly unique to the model or to Skoda. Fortunately there is a fair amount of wire accessible ahead of the connector, so I chose simply to bare a short section of each wire and to solder a spur onto them , rather than remove/change it.

 

The two spurs go to crimped spade terminals that fit to the extra horn.   (Not wishing to be pedantic, but I am sure you are aware, there is no such thing as an 'earth' on a simple 12v system.  One wire is the positive - the other is the negative, and polarity doesn't matter for a horn, so they are interchangeable. 

 

 

Chatting to my local garage they mentioned that on modern cars this might affect alarm etc. I understand the horns aren't part of a CAN bus, not even sure if the Kamiq has such a system, but can you confirm there was no impact on alarm etc?

Hiya, sussamb

 

There have been no consequences to the extra horn  - other than you can actually hear it now.  I can't  imagine what adverse effect it could possibly have on the alarm.  I cannot now remember where I read about this - but apparently the first Kamiqs did have twin horns before the accountants started cutting costs.