I've had my Superb for a little over two years, and I hadn't realized that AFS fatos did so many things.

 

I did not know that depending on the speed, the left headlight illuminates the left area but below and that from 100 km/h it goes straight and focuses further. With xenon bulbs I hadn't realized they did so many things.

 

I put a video of a similar model in which you can see the AFS system that Skoda has.

 

 

https://www.hella.com/techworld/uk/Technical/Automotive-lighting/Adaptive-headlights-663/

Yup, it's all there in the user manual - about how the light changes based on different driving conditions, such as Urban, Highway, Rain etc. etc.

 

Skoda has been using AFS2 in various models for a while now.

When you stop (at a trafic light for instance), you can even notice the beam getting narrower on the rear bumper of the car just ahead. Quite funny…

Edited 29 December, 20223 yr by Bap33

16 minutes ago, Bap33 said:

When you stop (at a trafic light for instance), you can even notice the beam getting narrower on the rear bumper of the car just ahead. Quite funny…

 

Yup, I notice that too.

Tis cool to see it in action.

Hopefully one day the UK VOSA will wake up and allow road legal (in a few other European countries already)

 

Do you disconnect the ballast to put in the LED bulbs?

37 minutes ago, Danoid said:

Hopefully one day the UK VOSA will wake up and allow road legal (in a few other European countries already)

 

Do you disconnect the ballast to put in the LED bulbs?

Road legal what?

if you mean led headlamps, they are legal when fitted from the factory.

 

They are illegal in non led headlamps cause of the beam pattern that is often caused by them.

46 minutes ago, ApertureS said:

Road legal what?

if you mean led headlamps, they are legal when fitted from the factory.

 

They are illegal in non led headlamps cause of the beam pattern that is often caused by them.

I meant after market ones, the new Osram night breaker leds are road legal just not in UK

 

They do have a list of cars they’ve certified them on and the superb is one of them, but it would be for halogen headlights as that’s H7/H4

 

https://www.osram.de/am/night-breaker-led/night-breaker-led-ledcheck.jsp?mkt=/nb-led/

 

https://www.osram.com/ecat/NIGHT BREAKER H7-LED-LED lamps (street-legal)-Car lighting-Automotive/com/en/GPS01_3401765/ 

 

Osram led compared to NBL xenon

https://youtu.be/SYBMbS0rES4 

Edited 29 December, 20223 yr by Danoid

1 hour ago, Danoid said:

I meant after market ones, the new Osram night breaker leds are road legal just not in UK

 

They do have a list of cars they’ve certified them on and the superb is one of them, but it would be for halogen headlights as that’s H7/H4

 

https://www.osram.de/am/night-breaker-led/night-breaker-led-ledcheck.jsp?mkt=/nb-led/

 

https://www.osram.com/ecat/NIGHT BREAKER H7-LED-LED lamps (street-legal)-Car lighting-Automotive/com/en/GPS01_3401765/ 

 

Osram led compared to NBL xenon

https://youtu.be/SYBMbS0rES4 

The issue is most people will buy £10 led bulbs off eBay and think they are perfect.

and it’s near impossible to regulate what can/can’t be sold as well as mot testers can’t remove the bulb to check it is a road legal or dodgy one.

 

also comes down to the car being homologated with xenon/halogen/led bulbs and changing that or recertifying a car/headlamp is a pain in the ass

23 minutes ago, ApertureS said:

The issue is most people will buy £10 led bulbs off eBay and think they are perfect.

and it’s near impossible to regulate what can/can’t be sold as well as mot testers can’t remove the bulb to check it is a road legal or dodgy one.

 

also comes down to the car being homologated with xenon/halogen/led bulbs and changing that or recertifying a car/headlamp is a pain in the ass

The same rules still apply in the other European countries, it’ll just fail their MOTS like ours would.

 

With those Osrams as they’ve been designed for on road you won’t get all the glare of the cheap ones but that ultimately comes down to the people who chose to use non street legal leds.

 

You don’t need to change the headlight either to fit them. There’s no difference between our headlight in this country compared to a superb sold in Germany (other than lhd/rhd). We just need Vosa to pull a finger out
 

Its funny our government recently made it law that halogen bulbs can no longer be sold from September 2023, except for car bulbs which is the biggest waste there is as some only last as little as 200 hours 

Edited 29 December, 20223 yr by Danoid

That removal of halogens in 2023 is a reference to the energy use in mains-operated lighting - not based on life of lamps fitted to vehicles.   

24 minutes ago, Warrior193 said:

That removal of halogens in 2023 is a reference to the energy use in mains-operated lighting - not based on life of lamps fitted to vehicles.   

Yep 😞

1 hour ago, Danoid said:

Its funny our government recently made it law that halogen bulbs can no longer be sold from September 2023, except for car bulbs which is the biggest waste there is as some only last as little as 200 hours 

This has absolutely nothing to do with cars, a household bulb may be 2,3,4,5 hundred watts of power... this is a massive energy use for the world combined when an LED can use less than 10W of power for the same task.

On a vehicle a closed circuit the amount that is drawn by a headlamp is no more than 60W, no effect on the grid and in the scheme of a vehicle, uses very little power. Nothing to do with quality of bulbs or life of the bulb - talking of which, what bulbs are only lasting 200 hours?

5 hours ago, Bap33 said:

Cuando te detienes (en un semáforo, por ejemplo), incluso puedes notar que el haz se hace más estrecho en el parachoques trasero del automóvil que está justo delante. Bastante gracioso…

 

5 hours ago, JR RS said:

 

Sí, yo también lo noto.

Es genial verlo en acción.

 

In two years I had not realized that. What I'm checking is if more than 100 highways go straight. I'm not entirely sure.

 

5 hours ago, Danoid said:

Esperemos que algún día la VOSA del Reino Unido se despierte y permita la circulación legal (ya en algunos otros países europeos)

 

¿Desconectas el balasto para poner las bombillas LED?

I have not disconnected it.  I got an error, but I deleted it and it hasn't come back.

32 minutes ago, ApertureS said:

This has absolutely nothing to do with cars, a household bulb may be 2,3,4,5 hundred watts of power... this is a massive energy use for the world combined when an LED can use less than 10W of power for the same task.

On a vehicle a closed circuit the amount that is drawn by a headlamp is no more than 60W, no effect on the grid and in the scheme of a vehicle, uses very little power. Nothing to do with quality of bulbs or life of the bulb - talking of which, what bulbs are only lasting 200 hours?

It’s not just about the draw they use, it’s the materials needed and the waste they produce.

 

Look at any high performing halogens for cars, it’s around 200-250 hours and that’s when failures are most likely to occur.

 

Judging by your replies are you anti led? I don’t really understand where you’re coming from

3 minutes ago, Danoid said:

It’s not just about the draw they use, it’s the materials needed and the waste they produce.

 

Look at any high performing halogens for cars, it’s around 200-250 hours and that’s when failures are most likely to occur.

 

Judging by your replies are you anti led? I don’t really understand where you’re coming from

Nothing to do with anti LED at all, LED's are an amazing creation. More anti twisting the facts...

 

Any data to back up that halogen bulbs produce more waste/are more harmful than LED?

And anything for this 200-250 hours for halogen bulbs? Becuase in my old 2001 car with halogen headlamps I done about 4.5 hours a day driving, all of it with the headlights on, at that rate id of been replacing headlamps every 1.75 months.

A simple look up states a halogen/tungsten bulb should last 2000 hours, not as good as LED yes, but thats not 200 hours. 

 

It simply comes down to light produced per watt of power, and LED is better. 

Thats not to say halogen bulbs are not good for their purpose, including cars....

 

 

 

Also just saying tungsten has never been shown to cause ill effects in humans whereas the most common material in LEDs gallium arsenide is toxic to many human organs. So there are positive and negative sides to both sides of the argument.

 

Yes i still think LEDs are a million times better.

50 minutes ago, ApertureS said:

Nothing to do with anti LED at all, LED's are an amazing creation. More anti twisting the facts...

 

Any data to back up that halogen bulbs produce more waste/are more harmful than LED?

And anything for this 200-250 hours for halogen bulbs? Becuase in my old 2001 car with halogen headlamps I done about 4.5 hours a day driving, all of it with the headlights on, at that rate id of been replacing headlamps every 1.75 months.

A simple look up states a halogen/tungsten bulb should last 2000 hours, not as good as LED yes, but thats not 200 hours. 

 

It simply comes down to light produced per watt of power, and LED is better. 

Thats not to say halogen bulbs are not good for their purpose, including cars....

 

 

 

Also just saying tungsten has never been shown to cause ill effects in humans whereas the most common material in LEDs gallium arsenide is toxic to many human organs. So there are positive and negative sides to both sides of the argument.

 

Yes i still think LEDs are a million times better.

This is the blurp from the government site

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/end-of-halogen-light-bulbs-spells-brighter-and-cleaner-future

 

This is for the Osrams, others are the same where they provide such info like Philips

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjMltP93J_8AhUKQEEAHT1NAJkQFnoECCEQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.osram.com%2Fappsj%2Fpdc%2Fpdf.do%3Fcid%3DGPS01_3043435%26vid%3DPP_EUROPE_Europe_eCat%26lid%3DEN%26mpid%3D&usg=AOvVaw0tuav8lPjPSjU2Up6x_-V2

If you want to increase the bulb lifetime, use something like osram ultra life.

 

The actual lumen output will be pretty much identical to the performance halogen. The plus X percentage brighter/range claims are pretty bogus. It's measuring a single part of the headlight beam in a headlight from a one car model which yielded the best result.

 

Although some EU countries are starting to accept retrofit led kits, from what I've seen it needs to be certified for each individual lamp type so it's far from universal. When I last checked, some VW models were listed but no Skoda's.

 

I doubt the retrofit LEDs will be any brighter than a halogen. Anything above 2000lm will need headlight washers and leveling systems so it'll just be a whiter, longer lasting lamp rather than a true performance upgrade.

On 29/12/2022 at 21:37, langers2k said:

Anything above 2000lm will need headlight washers and leveling systems so it'll just be a whiter, longer lasting lamp rather than a true performance upgrade.

Obviously Xenons have those. I’d be disappointed if there wasn’t a true performance upgrade too, in terms of additional light on the road. 

On 29/12/2022 at 21:04, Danoid said:

This is the blurp from the government site

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/end-of-halogen-light-bulbs-spells-brighter-and-cleaner-future

 

You're comparing apples and oranges. That link is about household lighting, not automotive lighting.

Edited 6 January, 20233 yr by petrolcan
speeling :)

45 minutes ago, numskull said:

 I’d be disappointed if there wasn’t a true performance upgrade too, in terms of additional light on the road. 

 

It'll just depend how well the LED works with the stock reflector/projector so it's impossible to generalise.

 

As an example, take a look at the specs of a few H7 lamps from Philips:

- Halogen 'Vision' headlight bulb is 1500lm : https://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/12972PRC1/vision-car-headlight-bulb

- Halogen RacingVision GT200 bulb is 1500ln ±10% https://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/12972RGTB1/racingvision-gt200-car-headlight-bulb

- LED Ultinon Pro9000 is 1500lm https://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/11972U90CWX2/ultinon-pro9000-with-exclusive-lumileds-automotive-led

 

They all start with the same raw lumens and each will likely have brighter and dimmer parts within the beam, it'll vary between headlight designs to how useful the brighter bits are

 

At least with the beam shots from some of the Chinese drop in LED kits I've seen, the foreground lighting is brighter but there is less useful distance lighting making for a worse experience. Hopefully Philips and other big names can balance that out to put the light where it's most useful. It's hard to take LED's and fit them into the same space as a halogen filament...

These Christmas days I have come to my parents' town where the roads are one lane in each direction and there is no lighting except when you get to the towns, and I can say that despite my initial reluctance, both short and long light It's much better than xenon.  In fact, some friends were surprised to see the light circulating at night.

10 hours ago, langers2k said:

It'll just depend how well the LED works with the stock reflector/projector so it's impossible to generalise.

Well, OK, brighter in longer distance would be great. It’s all irrelevant anyway, as VOSA almost certainly won’t approve them.