23 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

I live on an estate of new builds and there is only one house that has an EV charge point - which the owners fitted after moving in because they have an EV.

 

So it is most definitely NOT compulsory for new build homes to have EV chargers.

It is, but it’s down to when the planning permission was granted and not when they were built (we are in the process of selling and moving to a new build).

 

They don’t make it easy! 

Was the intention that they would all have 'Chargers'?  

Was and is it not that the cabling so that chargers could be installed when and if required.

 

Bumbling Boris & Failing Chris Grayling and the likes have lots of cunning ideas and not the common sense they were born with.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44759150

 

F-in weeks.  As happens regularly in areas with very few chargers. 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-44561039

 

Edited 2 January, 20233 yr by toot

1 hour ago, PetrolDave said:

I live on an estate of new builds and there is only one house that has an EV charge point - which the owners fitted after moving in because they have an EV.

 

So it is most definitely NOT compulsory for new build homes to have EV chargers.

 

34 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

It is, but it’s down to when the planning permission was granted and not when they were built (we are in the process of selling and moving to a new build).

So not all builds will have EV charger points...only those with recent planning permission. 

 

So we're both right and both wrong 😇

The UK Government did not have legislation in place for EV chargers and the properties already built by June and occupied now in England from a bright idea from before the Tories went into meltdown. 

 

 

Edited 2 January, 20233 yr by toot

On 02/01/2023 at 13:40, PetrolDave said:

I live on an estate of new builds and there is only one house that has an EV charge point - which the owners fitted after moving in because they have an EV.

 

So it is most definitely NOT compulsory for new build homes to have EV chargers.

How old is the estate?

https://www.pagerpower.com/news/new-law-to-require-new-builds-to-include-electric-car-charging-points/

17 minutes ago, EnterName said:

How old is the estate?

https://www.pagerpower.com/news/new-law-to-require-new-builds-to-include-electric-car-charging-points/

It’s down to when the planning permission was granted rather then when the houses were built. 

On 05/01/2023 at 09:14, EnterName said:

How old is the estate?

https://www.pagerpower.com/news/new-law-to-require-new-builds-to-include-electric-car-charging-points/

First house built 2021, last ones still being built now in 2023, mine build in 2022.

Found this rather disturbing post on YouTube entiled "72 chargers and only 1 works" regarding a dearth of viable EV charge points in Ruislip.  What's even more enlightening are the detailed comments that have been added ...

 

 

Edited 29 January, 20233 yr by MikeTheThinker
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That's the reality, unfortunately. There's more and more EV's on the road, the chargers are breaking down more often as they get more use. People running the stores are not interested enough to be on top of contract renewals or "service plans".

 

So overall, now is the worst time to own EV without home charging.

 

At very least the out of order ones are not on maps so it wouldn't waste people's time trying to find charging.

@wyx087 

Out of service ones are not showing out of order on ZapMap & PlugShare and the Charge Place Scotland app. 

Weeks and months out of order in locations.

 

I can give you plenty examples of ones around Scotland and even PodPoint ones that show available while out of Service,

 

Not all chargers are giving live data / connections to maps / apps and many are showing Out of service while working because someone reported and issue at sometime and even when used many times since shows out of service.

There are ones clearly not working and you can be at them and they show available, maybe out of service, maybe occupied, maybe just someone sitting locked in and charging finished and no way can the charger be used til they come back, however long that might be.

Edited 30 January, 20233 yr by toot

I was talking about what's in the video, where he said it isn't showing on podpoint app. 

 

Indeed many times chargers haven't been correctly marked and main point of EV ownership frustration. EV themselves are great, but public charge point anxiety is real. 

 

 

Supermarket charging is pretty much dead at the moment. ASDA have no interest (I've seen both PodPoint and BP charge posts "out of order"), Lidl have no interest except the rapids PodPoint installed. Other supermarkets I've tried without success are Waitrose, Marks & Spencer and Morrisons. I've never seen a charger at a Sainsbury. Aldi have been very unreliable but recently have improved and seem to be supporting the chargers in their car-parks to compete with Tesco, charging 25p/kWh via Shell Recharge around here. The Tesco PodPoint chargers seem much more reliable than other supermarket chargers and have never let me down in 2 years. Tesco is reasonably priced too at 28p.*

The situation in the video is reprehensible though. On paper that area will be well served but so many out of order? Heads need knocking together.

 

 

EDIT: Tesco price corrected, see below.

Edited 30 January, 20233 yr by Luckypants

That must be cheaper in some areas then. 

 

Tesco PodPoint is 28 pence a kWh on a 7 kWh charger other than the 15 minutes free.

 50 pence a kWh on a 50 DC  or 40 pence on a 22 AC.

Edited 30 January, 20233 yr by toot

You are right, my mistake. My local Tesco PodPoint is 28p, making the local Aldi look good value.

I have had 3 x 15 mins @ Tesco this morning, then maybe the same later today.

 

How much is Aldi?   

I am not using the Lidl Podpoint (40 pence) unless stuck getting charged at Edinburgh Airport & 35 pence a kWh on 50kW charger.

Edited 30 January, 20233 yr by toot

31 minutes ago, toot said:

How much is Aldi?   

Aldi is 25p / kWh through the Shell Recharge app

Edited 30 January, 20233 yr by Luckypants

I tried Shell Recharge a few times 2 years back with a card and the app and never got a charger to start and that was at Shell Garages.

 

1 mile from me a Shell Recharge 150 kW charger has shown as 'coming soon'.  That has been for about 18 months.

The map shows it at the Shell Filling station across the road from the Kia Dealership (It was also Vauxhall, and owned by the same family with the filling station). 

 Less than 100 yards from the Lidl to 1 side & Aldi to the other. 

 

The fastest / reliable charger is a 50 kW charger in the town are 2 InstaVolt that i never see getting used.

I have twice used it, once when first installed and another time when it was the only Rapid working within 10 miles.

 

No 100+ kW public chargers anyplace near. 

 

.................

I am surprised that a big Shell filling station with a Greggs & owned by EG Group out at the A90, this is next to KFC, McD, Marston, Statrbucks  has not put in Super Fast Chargers even though the Council charging hub with 50 kW chargers is less than 200 yards away. 

They are anything but Rapid or reliable.

 

 

Edited 30 January, 20233 yr by toot

36 minutes ago, toot said:

1 mile from me a Shell Recharge 150 kW charger has shown as 'coming soon'.  That has been for about 18 months.

There's a Shell petrol station at bottom of A1M Borehamwood. There used to be a single 50 Kw rapid charger, works okay. 

About a year ago they ripped it out and installed 8 newer 150 kw rapid chargers. But wrapped up "coming soon". It was like that for good few months. 

 

Makes you wonder, are fossil fuel companies deliberately being slow with providing this service? Or do they think a few months of downtime is absolutely fine? 

I've rarely seen petrol station pump broken down for more than a few days. Why is it okay to completely remove a charge location for months!? 

 

 

The same thing at Northop services on the A55. 4x150 chargers are desperately needed on this trunk route. I have a feeling that Shell's contractors have stuffed up the DNO connection requests and as a result they have chargers hanging about waiting for a hook up to the grid. Local DNOs seem to be a real bottleneck in non-Motorway locations, so government need to step in to make sure these monopoly DNOs meet stringent time frames to install the connections needed to get the infrastructure installed. The leave it to the market approach does not work where there is no competition, but those in power conveniently ignore this fact (in many areas of life).

 

Stuff paying this to use one of their 22 or 50 kW chargers. 

 

 

Charge Place Scotland chargers owned by different people and started with a RFID card do not know what vehicle is being charged so if there are Restriction on max charging time, how soon you can return then people, partners, any house hold members, business etc can register in different names / bank accounts, pay £10 for a card and stop the charge on one card and start on another.

Same with an Account and using an app, go from one account or phone and start with another. 

Edited 1 February, 20233 yr by toot