Hello, time has come to change the oil, so I naturally went to the nearest authorized dealer, and what a surprise, they offered me wrong oil!

 

My car needs VW 504.00 / 502.00 or 508.00 oil, the dealer wants to put 502.00 / 505.00 oil.

 

(Please bear in mind my owners manual does not state SAE viscosity index)

 

The oil that the incompetent authorized dealer offered is this: (

https://www.shell.com/motorist/oils-lubricants/helix-for-cars/helix-fully-synthetic/shell-helix-hx8-synthetic-5w-30.html

 

If I go on Shell's website, and put my vehicle data, Shell's oil selector recommends me this: (which is indeed much newer and better oil since it meets VWs 508.00 specification):

 

Helix Ultra Professional AV-L 0W-20

 

I refuse to put the Helix 502.00 oil, because that is oil for much older engines and is much cheaper and worse than 504.00 or 508.00 oils.

 

Now the you are probably wondering, like me:

 

"Aren't these newer 508.00/509.00 oils that are only 0W20 only meant for the newest engines?"

 

I don't know.

 

So I headed to Castrol's website (the car is using Castrol Edge 5W30 LL VW504.00/507.00 oil at the moment) and Castrol recommend their newest equivalent to the above mentioned Shell Helix: their newest 508.00/509.00 oil, with the same SAE 0W20 index.

 

In this case the exact name is:

Castrol Edge 0W-20 LL IV

 

Another alternative I found from a company that is known to make good oils is:

 

Mobil 1 ESP X2 0W-20

 

(Also 508.00/509.00) 

But much cheaper than the Castrol or Shell oils which is giving me second thoughts.

 

 

So my questions are is there anyone with the same engines who has switched to the newest VW508.00 oils from 504.00/507.00?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Forgot:

Car is: Octavia III 5E5 1.5 TSI GTEC 96kW

 

VW Oil specifications:

 

https://www.oilspecifications.org/volkswagen.php

 

https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php

 

https://www.skoda-auto.com/other/oils-standards

I have a 1.0 litre September 2018 Octavia which (unfortunately) came with a petrol particulate filter.  The correct spec of oil for my car is indeed VW508.  I would imagine your car has the filter fitted and, if so, VW 508 spec is correct.  It is expensive though.  I bought 5 litres a while ago from my local VW dealer.  It was on offer and cheaper than places like Euro Car Parts.

VW502 00 so 5w 40 FS was and is for Fixed Service Regimes with a TSI, and VW / Skoda are not recommending it for TSI's since they went to VW 508 00 to get cars the WLTP Results.

So that is the story.  It is not Long Life Oil.   

It has saved many a TSI by being used because VW504 00 so 5w 30 FS III or 0w 30 FS III and long life service regimes never really meant long life Euro 5 TSI,s, 

it suited Fleets maybe, lease cars, ones that were not keepers. 

 

Long life oil is not special,

and  VW502 00 is not crap, it is just an oil that many use with a keeper, maybe just not on engines since 2018. 

 

1.4 TSI as used in VW Group / Skoda PHEV,s require Fixed Services (Oil & Filters) , i wonder if all Main Dealers use VW 508 00 or if some use VW504 00.

There are dealerships using VW508 00 in older TSI's and they should not be doing so. 

 

Bottom chart is from the past, so pre VW508 00  509 00

Edited 4 June, 20233 yr by toot

I have specified what oils the maintenance manual book of my car specifies in the first post.

 

I do not know if the car has Petrol Particulate Filter. Since the main fuel is Natural gas, then may be it does not have such filter?

 

I decided that 508.00 oils are quite expensive for my shortened period of 15000km /1 year, so I will stick to 504.00/507.00 oil.

 

What is your opinion about :

 

Shell Helix Ultra ECT 0W-30?

I would like the oil to be 0W since in the winter here it goes down minus 25 Celsius sometimes.

@toot your second picture means nothing, because it does not specify engine year. There are 1.5 TSI engines from 2019, and 1.5 TSI engines from 2022.

@CNG_Driver

I see now your car is a 2019,  so for Variable / Flexible services / oil & filter changes it is VW508 00 / 509 00 , 0w 20 FS IV for your engine, 

unless for some reason Skoda / VW says not, maybe for the country you are in etc.

 

That was the Owners manual as they came out first and around the time Skoda / VW were using 0w 20 FS IV at the factory.

2018 when GPF,s were being fitted.

There will be an Owners manual only for your car or in paper form. 

 

As it is you mentioned no year and on a phone you do not see what you have to the left.

It would be useful to say what country you are in just so that people know.

 

?

Is your 1.5 TSI an ACT or without Active Cylinder Technology.

 

If not a 1.5 ACT it is ok to use VW502 00 for Fixed Regimes, and likely also with 1.5 TSI,s, as Main Dealers have done.

Edited 5 June, 20233 yr by toot