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Diesel is a good choice. I am setting off to do 160 miles in a diesel. I will get 53 mpg on the route i am doing, 70 mph Average Speed cameras half of the distance. The thing is about the 800 mile trip in cold weather in an 03 V8 diesel Audi having put in 19.8 litres of fuel. (Top gear Magazine article said 19.7 gallons. Just for a matter of actuality.) Cold breath to show how cold.... Not letting heat out of the heater vents is for daffties. You really do not AC to stay warm do you, you can have 16 or 17 even 18*oC inside the cabin of a diesel and not be using fuel the can not be saved by going 1 mph slower. So if i do 400 miles in the BMW Estate i am driving today i would use say 9 gallon, less than the 50 mpg i can get. 41 litres. @ 160 pence a litre. £65.60. If i get 40 mpg like Jeremy Clarkson might, then 10 gallons. 45.5 litres. £73 .......................... If in a Tesla with it getting 4 miles a kWh then 100 kWh @50 pence a kWh. £50. 1 stop to Ultra Rapid charge. A Tesla having to use a BP Pulse @ 69 pence £69.00 @79 pence = £79. If the Tesla got 3.5 miles a kWh @ 55 pence charging Tesla Super Chargeing, for 400 miles. 114.3 kWh. £63. If i was in the MINI Electric i would need to spend 50 minutes each 100 miles to charge to do the next 100 miles.

@Graham Butcher the readers likely got the idea a long long time ago. You really are pointing out the obvious. Pages and pages of how EV,s are not as good as ICE vehicles, and cost more to run if needing to pay for public charging. This is a car forum, we know how many miles a gallon or litre cars can do and how bigger tanks hold more litres and efficient ones go further. The other day i was ready to stop charging before 50 minutes and went to help someone get charging and forgot about time, went back to stop charging and it was at 99%. Charger showed £17.20 & when i get home and check it is £21.20. I went to 54 minutes so charged £1 a minute extra. .......... 14 gallon tank not 19 gallons. 15 and an ickle gallon in. Heating, de-misting or AC used as needed. No radio on part of trip because you do not get it over The Lecht...

@Graham Butcher Rapid or Ultra Rapid DC charging all the time might well be an issue for people who BUY a ELECTRIC VEHICLE and will be owning it for many many years. But then if they own it and need to get the miles in between charging they might just do it. Those RENTING a car, Leasing,, driving a company / fleet car might not give a monkeys about the battery in 5 years or 10 years time. Those charging at home or charging with the car parked up will be charging AC and no more than at 22 kW, maybe 11 or 7 kw and might not need to be charging over 80% or even might charge to 90%. The 80% is about not RAPID or Ultra Rapid charging at a slower speed. If you have to charge to 100% then you have to charge to 100%. As to Hypermiling, and driving far with petrols or diesels then i can do that, have done that for decades. We never all got to be where we are being daft. Here it seems to be like people teaching Granny or Grandad to suck eggs (blow eggs.) having only watch videos on how to do it, @Graham Butcher it might be an idea to go drive an EV or 3 before trying to to educate anyone on them.

It is a very faulty car if it has a 76.7 kWh usable battery or even 71 kWh that can not do 2.5 miles a kWh, so 177.5 miles, even in the coldest of weather in Scotland or anyplace in the UK even if all motorway miles. Audi had their self in trouble 11 years ago over advertising and claims on MPG. Kia / Hyundai were caught out in Canada & North America and had to give Fuel Cards to owners for free gasoline. The WLTP and Electric cars is ridiculous.

@Graham Butcher I do wish you would stop repeating guff. If you have a 50 kWh usable battery and not charge above 80% or below 20% you are using 60 % of the battery and getting not very far. I have under 30kWh usable and get 100 miles, it can do the 114 miles EPA figure, *& not have the battery empty.* It could do the 145 mile WLTP i hear some mention & MINI and so others publish that is not the correct figure. That needs hypermiling or perfect circumstances, road and weather. (There is a difference simply from which size wheels tyres so trim level you have, as with almost all models of cars from manufacturers.) No way and would i only charge to 80% or not go below 20% and maybe not even get 60 miles even if i was doing 50 mile of a journey.

Plugging into the OBD port is not going to charge the High Voltage battery that needs a Type 2 socket into the cars charger type 2 port.

The cars might well run well run on 100 + maybe 102 ron Race / Track fuel. Especially if mapped to. Twice the price in the UK, but then no daft additives / detergents, you know every time what you are getting. In Italy near the factories or tracks there is Shell V-Power 102 ron available at pumps. (Which is where their advert / vid of a F1 car running on pump fuel came about. A bit sneaky really.) There used to be pre 2010 102 ron BP Ultimate available in a few filling stations in the UK near to tracks.

@Gerrycan i was typing the wrong numbers, but you have waste. But my numbers were my error. EDIT. I edited it to 7 hours. As PodPoint says '6 hours' & 6 miles an hour. But 6x6 is 34 miles which will be lovely. If you get 2.3 kW from the plug then good. You pay for more kWh than the battery size. My 32.6 kWh battery, 29.2 usable can with 10% battery left take over 31 kWh or more to charge. 15 hours with the 3 pin cable.

@TheWanderer are you talking about charging the 12v battery that too many have issues with going flat. As to the cable from a 3 pin plug charging the 13 kWh battery, 11.7 kWh usable, is it charging at much more the 2.3 kWh max (10 amps max set) so about 7 hours empty to full. 6 miles in an hour charging. 7 x 6 is 31 miles.

@Warrior193 With 1.4 TSI (& they do not have ACT) they get the 8 speed. Not with 2.0 litres.

A rainy & misty warm May Holiday.

Quite an issue for a fair number of them pre timing chain and tensioner upgrade in 2011.

@lol-lol I know you do. But then it very much depends on the shifter the car has, and then you are happy doing that, where as i have never ever ran Autos in neutral.

@HenryNZ Did you get a vRS with a DQ381 DSG?

Regen is exactly like 'Engine Braking' in far as retarding your speed into corners. Setting up a car for corners. Just by lifting off the accelerator with the BEV though as he said. Depending on which there might be just a couple of levels of regen retardation (same ax braking without the brakes being used) Some vehicles with flappy padels for the level of regen are very much like flappy paddles and an automatic and engines that can provide 'Engine braking'. Manuals different. The reason i am so aware is that for decades with only one foot i very very seldom use a brake pedal in 2 pedal cars, even with very spirited driving. BEV,s are easy, but too much regen like with the MINI electric even on the lightest setting is a PITA because it is not with a shifter or paddles it is a toggle switch and high or low regen and coasting is not possible.