Bit of an impulse purchase - had a late mk1 Tiguan 2.0TDi 4Motion DSG from new (Sept 2015).  First ever VW and it's been frankly brilliant, although I suppose, as it's mainly my wife's car, it hasn't exactly been tested hard. 

The VW dealer, Inchcape's VW Wirral (I refuse to set foot in their Chester branch), I have to say have been excellent on the service side and to my mind we were going to change to a mk2 Tiguan.  However my wife decided it was too big. 🤷‍♂️

On a bit of a whim we went into Michells at Ellesmere Port and eventually ended up with a Mar 22  1.5TSi SE L DSG, in petrol blue.  Only done 4K miles and looks like new.

Can't say I'm thrilled about the price of such cars – we got the Tiguan new, the dealer found us one in the exact colour and spec we wanted and it came in 8 days and with a massive discount, but things are still different at the moment, and I wanted to get out of the Tiguan as the All In cover finishes this month and it feels like tempting fate to keep running it.   Reading of Ad Blue and cooling system woes terrifies me!

Driving Karoq It’s obviously apparent that the grunt of the diesel isn’t there, and, while I did like the sure-footedness of 4Motion,  I think its independent rear suspension made the car feel like it was rocking from side to side (other people said they couldn’t feel it) but it’s immediately obvious to me that Karoq doesn’t do it so to me it’s a nicer drive.

 

 

3 hours ago, Rory said:

Can't say I'm thrilled about the price of such cars – we got the Tiguan new, the dealer found us one in the exact colour and spec we wanted and it came in 8 days and with a massive discount, but things are still different at the moment...

 

I thought I knew the market pretty well but this last week has confirmed to me it's bonkers.

 

I bought a Karoq at the end of 2019. List price was a tad under £30k, I paid a tad under £25k after discounts. ( servicing over it's 1st two years cost £159 )

 

I sold it last week. Received offers starting from £19k ( from a Skoda dealer no less ), most were around the £22k, I sold mine for £22600.

 

The car is now up for sale at the dealer for just over £25k, so in 3.7years, it depreciated a mere £2300 and is up sale £400 MORE than I paid for it.  That's flipp'n bonkers.

 

Of course being a used car, there's no decent PCP incentives and if taken on finance, there's no manufacturer backed lower rates. There's no servicing offers and over the next 3year will probably need new brakes and pads etc.  It's a cracking car but I certainly wouldn't buy it at that price as a new one will probably work out cheaper, especially last month as there was another £1000 off it. 

 

Not sure what the lease figures would have been if I'd leased but lets say approx £350 a month. It'd have cost £15k to lease it over that time vs £2300 depreciation?  That's just crazy.

 

Ordered our new car at the start of the year for a similar discount as I achieved on the karoq. Around about April time, the market changed again and the discounts dried up from most manufacturers. No way could I have bought the car for the price we agreed at the start of the year. I took delivery of it this week. For heavens sake, they're advertising very low miles nearly new models for £4000 more than I paid for mine brand new.

 

Some dealers will making extortionate amounts of money on used cars right now from those customers who don't shop around.  

Nice colour, had 2 Skoda in petrol blue, one of which we had for over 8 years.

 

I wouldn't worry about the sure-footedness, but you might find the new generation of Eco summer tyres (which are fitted to give good fuel consumption in warm weather) are not great in the wet below +10c.   It's not just Karoq it happens to most makes because of modern summer tyre formulation.   If you don't change to all season or winter tyres then you are likely to suffer cracking of the summer tyres within 2-3 years too, start as tiny cracks in cold and become bigger.   
 

 

12 minutes ago, kodiaqsportline said:

Some dealers will making extortionate amounts of money on used cars right now from those customers who don't shop around.  

 

Well, I suppose it depends how much they have to pay for them.   The margin the dealer is making on yours seems about right, they pay VAT on the difference, so there's £500 gone.

 

Considered a mk2 2019 Tiguan Match that a neighbour was selling as the new Tig R-Line he ordered 2yrs ago is about to arrive.  He paid £23,500 for the old one (inc a few options) and sold it to a trader for £22.500.   He's paying £30K for his new R-Line - the spec he's ordered would be £39K now.

20 minutes ago, SurreyJohn said:

Nice colour, had 2 Skoda in petrol blue, one of which we had for over 8 years.

 

I wouldn't worry about the sure-footedness, but you might find the new generation of Eco summer tyres (which are fitted to give good fuel consumption in warm weather) are not great in the wet below +10c.   It's not just Karoq it happens to most makes because of modern summer tyre formulation.   If you don't change to all season or winter tyres then you are likely to suffer cracking of the summer tyres within 2-3 years too, start as tiny cracks in cold and become bigger.   
 

 

 

Oddly the petrol blue colour has disappeared off the configurator in the last couple of days.  I did look good in the brief sunny spell we had this afternoon!

 

I do have a set of winter wheels and tyres from the mk1 Tiguan.  I know they'll physically fit but not sure about the offsets.  The tyres are very old now anyway.   I only ever drove in snow twice - bit deceptive actually, as the car would take off from rest as if it was on dry tarmac, but lateral grip on corners was decidedly iffy and the ABS went mad on stopping. 

 

If changing tyres on the "family fleet" I fit Cross Climates now - got them on daughter's Ateca.  She's done 40K on them. Need changing soon.   If I could p/x the Michelin Primacy 3's on the Karoq then I would!

45 minutes ago, Rory said:

I do have a set of winter wheels and tyres from the mk1 Tiguan.  I know they'll physically fit but not sure about the offsets.  The tyres are very old now anyway.   I only ever drove in snow twice - bit deceptive actually, as the car would take off from rest as if it was on dry tarmac, but lateral grip on corners was decidedly iffy and the ABS went mad on stopping. 

 

The wheels will probably be fine.  I had these Audi Q3 alloys on two previous Mk1 Tiguans and now they see winter service on the Karoq fitted with Dunlop D5 Winter Sport.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Schtum said:

 

The wheels will probably be fine.  I had these Audi Q3 alloys on two previous Mk1 Tiguans and now they see winter service on the Karoq fitted with Dunlop D5 Winter Sport.

 

Thanks - I just can't quite get my head around the different offsets.  I think the outside face will sit in pretty well the same place.

 

They're 16" with 65 profile tyres so they're great on pot-holed roads too!

 

If I've got to buy new tyres for them though, then I might as well just buy Cross Climates for the standard wheels.

Edited 4 August, 20232 yr by Rory

5 hours ago, Rory said:

Driving Karoq It’s obviously apparent that the grunt of the diesel isn’t there, and, while I did like the sure-footedness of 4Motion,  I think its independent rear suspension made the car feel like it was rocking from side to side (other people said they couldn’t feel it) but it’s immediately obvious to me that Karoq doesn’t do it so to me it’s a nicer drive.

 

I rate myself as being pretty susceptible to side to side rocking but I don't feel it on my 4x4 Karoq with independent rear suspension.

On 04/08/2023 at 23:02, agedbriar said:

I rate myself as being pretty susceptible to side to side rocking but I don't feel it on my 4x4 Karoq with independent rear suspension.

 

To be fair, other people on the Tig mk1 forum were adamant their's didn't do it.   I never drove another mk1.  Daughter's Ateca that she got a few years ago was immediately a more 'settled' drive.

 

Been reading the past thread here about tyre pressure - I ran the Tig at the recommended 36PSI (there was also a comfort pressure of 33PSI) so was a bit surprised to find Karoq's pressures are 2.1 bar (30PSI) and on my gauge the pressures were 1.95 to 2.0bar - they did look low, even allowing for tyres always looking a bit underinflated.   I guess Karoq will be a bit lighter but I'm thinking I'll up them to perhaps 33PSI - if nothing else to try a protect the wheels a little better from potholes.

 

 

Edited 6 August, 20232 yr by Rory

On 04/08/2023 at 22:26, Rory said:

 

Thanks - I just can't quite get my head around the different offsets.  I think the outside face will sit in pretty well the same place.

 

They're 16" with 65 profile tyres so they're great on pot-holed roads too!

 

If I've got to buy new tyres for them though, then I might as well just buy Cross Climates for the standard wheels.

We bought a Sportline in April fitted with 19in Vega rims which I wasn’t over impressed with. I thought I’d get used to them, despite Significant Others constant moaning every time we went over a speed hump or hit the slightest bump or pothole in the road. Despite getting decent advice on here about changing to a smaller wheel size I decided instead to keep the rims but change the OEM Bridgestones for CrossClimates. Absolute revelation, like chalk and cheese. Different ride totally.

38 minutes ago, BTandSid said:

We bought a Sportline in April fitted with 19in Vega rims which I wasn’t over impressed with. I thought I’d get used to them, despite Significant Others constant moaning every time we went over a speed hump or hit the slightest bump or pothole in the road. Despite getting decent advice on here about changing to a smaller wheel size I decided instead to keep the rims but change the OEM Bridgestones for CrossClimates. Absolute revelation, like chalk and cheese. Different ride totally.

 

Apparently tyre fitters don't like fitting Bridgestones as they're so stiff.  I had them from new on a Merc and it was like driving on iron rings.  Changed them for Michelin Primacy's and they transformed the car.  

 

The Karoq we bought has Michelin Primacy's - which is good, except that, as I want to change them,  they'll probably last for ages.

That might be true of some tyre fitters or at least one regarding Bridgestones but really is a nonsense.  As to Michelin Primacy like Primacy 4 or Primacy EV marked tyres as fitted to Hybrids, PHEV and BEV,a.  They can be ditch finders, ECO tyres as in giving good range because if pathetic traction , grip so friction.  They keep a tread for a long time but really get harder and less safe with the passage of time. I did drive a hybrid car recently with the latest Primacy tyres and it was wet and they were ok without a TC  / ASR light flashing all the time. 

Edited 7 August, 20232 yr by toot

1 hour ago, toot said:

 As to Michelin Primacy like Primacy 4

 

Phew = thank Goodness ours has Prinacy 3's .

 

I put the pressures up to 34 this morning - will see how that goes.  Wife has taken it out for the first time with only minor drama caused by the DSG selector not looking exactly the same as the one in her Tiguan.

 

Separately:

I knew it didn't have these but I'm bemused by the lack of wheel arch trims.  Pictures of Karoqs, including in the brochures, generally show them but looking around the dealer they were only on odd cars.   I was convinced daughters Ateca didn't have them but she was here yesterday and it does.   I reckon they saved the Tiguan from damage when a bus swiped the front wing - left lots of paint but it all polished off.