Good Afternoon, 

 

I have been mulling over getting a new Octavia and went to the dealership to have a look at one. Whilst I was there, I was rather taken with the Karoq. I do 20,000 miles a year but drive quite sedately, so am thinking of getting a diesel. The Karoq’s I have seen are an SE Drive DSG and a SEL manual, both with the 115hp engine.

 

Does anyone have any experience of thsi engine with either a manual or DSG gearbox? If so, please would you share your feedback?

 

My other thing to dither about is the colour: the SEL is Energy Blue. I can’t decide if I like it or not.

 

many thanks

 

Hendley

 

 

I had a auto (non DSG) 2.0 Tiguan diesel 4x4 (2009-2019) and have a petrol Karoq. All prevoius cars to the Tiguan were petrol. I was tempted in 2009 to Diesel due to the prevailing company car rules/allowances at the time and the fact that it was meant to be a lower total cost of ownership. what a crock that turned out to be!!

 

Personally, where we are right now, I would not even entertain a diesel. At some point you will pay for the choice even more than you do now (fuel price, emissions charges, crippled to death by all teh tech required to be allowed to drive it, road tax changes that will inevitably be coming down the tracks).  Add to that (despite all of the refinements over the last 10 years) it is still a rattly, noisy and smelly and smokey engine/fuel imho. and it will only really persist in commercial vehicles.  Agreed, the low down torque - I do miss and the fact that it is pretty much impossible to stall if it is a manual in traffic. I dont miss the low red line, the glow plugs in a cold winter and sounding like a 1980's minicab when you open the windows - despite trying to convince yourself that it is not really that bad or annoying.   

 

Now.......   there is a can of worms statement 🙂 - Light the blue touch paper and walk back carefully ...  This is only my own personal perception/opinion and does not represent anything more than that. 

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Edited 17 September, 20232 yr by smipx

I have not driven one of these Karoqs with this drivetrain.  I have had for a week a VW Golf 2.0 TDI 115ps DSG.  It could do very good efficiency.   The DSG in D pulling away from a standstill was dire. The shift from 1st to 2nd.   I had to put it to S when stopped at a junction and have it shift up and get a move on.  Otherwise it was good and fine in D.  70 plus mpg was easily achieved.  

31 minutes ago, toot said:

I have not driven one of these Karoqs with this drivetrain.  I have had for a week a VW Golf 2.0 TDI 115ps DSG.  It could do very good efficiency.   The DSG in D pulling away from a standstill was dire. The shift from 1st to 2nd.   I had to put it to S when stopped at a junction and have it shift up and get a move on.  Otherwise it was good and fine in D.  70 plus mpg was easily achieved.  

I've never driven a 1.0 diesel apart from as a courtesy car once (independent garage) and my memory was not a good one. It was a PUG (205) and may have been 1.0 or 1.2.  I also learned to drive back in the 80's and it was a 1.9 Diesel PUG which was brilliant as you could really not stall it. You could just release the clutch with no "gas" and it pulled off.  That (amongst other reasons) is why the instructer had it I think - his pass rate was well above average. 

 

IMHO - You might be a sedantry driver (OP) but you still need a bit of oomph when you try to get up to speed to join a motorway etc.  Personally - if I was going sub 1.5L it would be petrol all the way. My old 2.0 with an old style planetary auto box was fine on the power side but rarely got above 40mpg so it was not really a saving at all as I could have got a 1.6 petrol with better MPG and at least with a turbo charged little petrol engine you can give it a good thrashing as and when needed.  Having said that, I would (personally) not touch a VAG car again with a small engine and a manual box.  My wife has a Fabia 1.0 manual and the 1st to 2nd gear shift if a real PITA when you are on an incline in traffic.  We went an an exciting drive one time up in Exmoor with a couple of 1 in 4 bendy hills and I tell you - it was not a pleasure in her car.  I reckon we reduced the clutch wear material by at least 10% in an hour - that car will never "go on a tour" again. Strictly for the shopping run and as a half decent 2nd car.

 

20000 miles per year in a heavy-ish / large-ish car and a 1L diesel lump turbo'd up to within an inch of its life with an engine that is really only good for low down grunt - I fear you may come to regret that choice if that is the choice you settle on. You foot will be permeantly planted to the floor just to make meaningful progress and those 20000 miles will start to feel more like 200000 miles. I know us motorists are expected to self flagellate these days but you might as well get a milk float.  Ha ha ha  .........

 

The dealer will likely try to pursuade you that it's a great idea - I wonder why??  They must be as popular as the new 20mph speed limit all over Wales.  Still, the Welsh government will reverse that in part (or in full) at some point I am sure.  Probably on Monday afternoot after the inevitable carnage of the school run on Monday morning.

 

Another nail in the coffin for the poor motorist.  They will be sitting there being overtaken by Horses and Cyclists and thinking - did I really sign up for this.  😆

 

Edited 17 September, 20232 yr by smipx

2.0 TDI though and the 115ps and a DQ200 DSG.  Mapped / Engine Management all about the WLTP / RDE2.

So they need driven to see if they suit. 

(The Golf issue was the no physical buttons and the stuff you needed to use at night was no back lit. The ACC was amazing though and the GPS & backing off and power cut / coasting available automatically)   This was the drive home on back roads but once used to it the economy was as good at NSL,s.)

The Karoq 2.0tdi 115 has been discontinued recently, it appears in current brochure as from stock only

 

https://www.skoda.co.uk/_doc/c63f4efb-a760-4a48-931f-baad88d42aa6
 

So in blunt terms, is obsolete, had a list price of £2500+ over the petrol version.   So even if you save £30 in fuel every 1000 miles, going to be years to recover extra cost.  Haven't done comparison recently but when diesel was about 10p litre more, were looking at over 100,000 miles to get back extra £2500

 

The simple reason is not the basic engine itself being bad,  but all the emissions equipment that needs to be added these days makes it a maintenance liability.  
 

But of course a dealer stuck with one on his forecourt is bound to do sales patter of its lovely, however usual buyer beware applies, because if they were selling crock of junk they wouldn't say so.

 

Would I buy one, simple answer is no, and fact it it discontinued by VW ought to be big clue even they don't rate it.

 

Edited 17 September, 20232 yr by SurreyJohn

5 hours ago, smipx said:

I had a auto (non DSG) 2.0 Tiguan diesel 4x4 (2009-2019) and have a petrol Karoq. All prevoius cars to the Tiguan were petrol. I was tempted in 2009 to Diesel due to the prevailing company car rules/allowances at the time and the fact that it was meant to be a lower total cost of ownership. what a crock that turned out to be!!

 

Personally, where we are right now, I would not even entertain a diesel.

 

 

We just changed 2015 version of the same Tiguan (although ours was DSG and  I'm bemused by yours being non-DSG, I thought, at least in Europe,  they were always DSG?) - anyway,  I agree with not entertaining a diesel, hence we got the 1,5TSi Karoq.

 

OK, ours was the 150PS engined Tiguan with 4Motion, but even on long steady runs down to our head office I couldn't quite get 50MPG on the display.  Did the same run last week in Karoq and it showed 52MPG which I'm very happy with.

Thank you all for your comments 

54 minutes ago, Rory said:

 

We just changed 2015 version of the same Tiguan (although ours was DSG and  I'm bemused by yours being non-DSG, I thought, at least in Europe,  they were always DSG?) - anyway,  I agree with not entertaining a diesel, hence we got the 1,5TSi Karoq.

 

OK, ours was the 150PS engined Tiguan with 4Motion, but even on long steady runs down to our head office I couldn't quite get 50MPG on the display.  Did the same run last week in Karoq and it showed 52MPG which I'm very happy with.

And.... even if you only get 45mpg (like me) on a long run - Life is too short 🙂  Where a Karoq really suffers is wind resistance at autobahn like speeds / sales rep type scenarios.  The sleeker models will not fare so badly on that front.    

3 hours ago, smipx said:

And.... even if you only get 45mpg (like me) on a long run - Life is too short 🙂  Where a Karoq really suffers is wind resistance at autobahn like speeds / sales rep type scenarios.  The sleeker models will not fare so badly on that front.    

 

Actually, it leveled out at around 45MPG after maybe 50 miles but then I thought to put it in Eco mode and went up pretty quickly into the 50's.  On the motorway Eco was fine in terms of driveability.  I think in Eco it seemed more willing to run in 2cyl mode.

 

We didn't have a choice when we got Tiguan - at the time, towards the end of the mk1 run, it was only available with diesel.  4Motion is reckoned to knock a good percentage off too, but it did feel reassuring to have that.   The car does pretty low mileage so, as you say, MPG isn't too important but I like to be able to do the round trip down south without having to think about refueling.

Edited 17 September, 20232 yr by Rory

9 hours ago, smipx said:

 

20000 miles per year in a heavy-ish / large-ish car and a 1L diesel lump turbo'd up to within an inch of its life with an engine that is really only good for low down grunt - I fear you may come to regret that choice if that is the choice you settle on.

 

 

Don't know where you picked up the 1 litre from - OP is is looking at 2 litre diesel.

 

We do have a manual 1 litre petrol SEAT Ateca in the family - think the engine is 115PS - it's obviously not a ball of fire, but it drives perfectly adequately.

My Bad.  I put 2+2 together and made 6. 115hp and looking for a diesel and assumed it was a 1L oil burner (knowing that the 2L Tdi should be more like 140-150BHP) like my old Tiguan was.

A member has an Octavia with this engine / DSG. 

@djorouscould maybe say how it is.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/516512-how-to-find-out-the-what-is-my-gearbox-model-octavia

 

Hey!

 

I have the same engine + gearbox in my Octavia. 

I normally drive 500 miles a week, so I wanted something that was economical, and I am really satisfied. I was able to get 61MPG in the way back yesterday.

Most of my time is in the road, but driving in the city is very comfortable. The gearbox is smooth and quick, and I can just leave it in D all the time.

 

Performance wise is good, not amazing