29 minutes ago, bazz2004 said:

That was one reason for choosing the Fabia but isn't it better to have breakdown cover as well?  If I do need help following a serious puncture calling in the aid of a breakdown service to do the heavy work will be my preference.  What am I missing here? 

Why wait around for recovery, it can take a very long time now, with a manual foot pump reinflate the tyre and drive home or to the nearest suitable pub and phone for recovery from there.

 

Do Not rely on the silly TPMS to tell you if a tyre is below pressure and/or going down, by the time it does you will probably already know, check your tyres with a reliable or at least consistent pressure gauge as regularly as required.

 

16 hours ago, nta16 said:

 the rear discs are on often for the same reasons as the oversized wheels and tyres, a matter of fashion and ego.  

 

 

I gave very valid reason for opting for rear discs option (£100). Neither fashion nor ego had anything to do with it. Based solely on my previous, and present, experiences of ****ty drum/shoe setup on previous and present VW cars. Life too short to spend several hours twice a year removing the drums and cleaning all the **** out.

2 hours ago, Tintowellfan said:

I gave very valid reason for opting for rear discs option (£100). Neither fashion nor ego had anything to do with it. Based solely on my previous, and present, experiences of ****ty drum/shoe setup on previous and present VW cars. Life too short to spend several hours twice a year removing the drums and cleaning all the **** out.

I didn't say there weren't good reasons and wasn't thinking of you or anyone else in particular and those that do choose discs out of fashion and ego are perfectly entitled to, we all have vanities.  I totally agree that life is far too short to be farting about with cars more than necessary, I've wasted far, far too much time and money on cars so know this better than most, I was a very, very slow learner.

 

VW (Skodas at least) don't seem to always have the best quality brakes on their cars but I've never been a fan of VW or believed the very out dated marketing hangover of "German engineering quality", certainly not this century or millennium at least.

 

As I think I put before drum brakes are better for wet and damp generally - but obviously not if you have certain VW Skoda products - I didn't need to clean the rear drum brakes on my previous cars with them every 6 months just once a year as part of a service and I prefer the self adjustment of pads and discs - but again VW Skoda factory discs brakes from factory aren't the best (like their front dampers and suspension bushes).  My wife and I have learnt from her mistake of buying a VW product so we won't be repeating it.

 

After the hassle of cleaning my wife's present, but going soon, VW UP's brake shoes over past several years, that was the deciding factor in paying the 100 quid for the discs/pads. I am done with rear drums for good now. My Mokka had discs on the rear, and never had any issues with them, yes they rust, but never needed any maintenance in almost 10 years, and never failed MOT test on rear brakes. So I figured I have potentially saved myself loads of potential hassle. I had a couple of Mk2 Golf Gti's with rear discs, never had any bother. I dread MOT time with rear drums as getting them balanced across the axle can be quite time consuming also, never mind the cleaning. Anyway, I have made my observations regarding rear drums quite clear. Possibly where I live is an issue, very rural and 2 mile drive each way until we reach the main road via thirld world B road covered in silage, hay, grass and sheep and coo s.it, never mind the pot holes.!!

Edited 2 July, 20241 yr by Tintowellfan

I think you might be confusing VW and particularly VW UP (and Skoda Citigo?) with other manufacturers drums brakes for the amount of servicing and awkward work required, as I put I'm not against  rear disc brakes, had them on my cars and they're on my wife's 2015 Mk3 Fabia, I know there are many rear drum brakes that very infrequently get any attention and never serviced regularly once a year.

 

I had to take my mate from Northampton up to Lanarkshire Sherriff's Court in the 80s for him to loose his driving licence there, we went in my Skoda Estelle 2 which I told him I was not going above 50 mph as a wheel bearing had gone very noisy and I was waiting to replace.  He was a sales rep so used to travelling at 90mph at least, hence his predicament for being caught by a VASCAR Police patrol car, as they were then, at three figures.  Even though we set off in plenty of time he whined about the speed more than the bearing so I relented and had long spells at 60-70 before dropping back to 50.  We arrived so early in Lanark that we had to wait for the tea-shop type cafe, IIRC opposite the court, to open, court didn't start until 10 am and then he wasn't first case.  He got legal representation from the AA or RAC but he still lost his licence and thus his job.  IIRC I travelled back at 70 just to cheer him up.

 

I would say the VW UP has given me, and many other on VW UP Forum, the worst possible experience of that particular set up. But I have had similar issues with all drum/shoe cars over the 50 years of car and motorcycle ownership. Need constant maintenance and setting up, compared to discs/pads that need next to no regular fettling.

I do all my own servicing, repairs and maintenance when cars are out of warranty period, which used to be only 12 months, showing my age. Head gasket, clutch, suspension, brakes, etc. I have done it all, but drum and shoes are a total pain in the a..e. Haha.

 

Edited 2 July, 20241 yr by Tintowellfan

22 minutes ago, Tintowellfan said:

But I have had similar issues with all drum/shoe cars over the 50 years of car and motorcycle ownership. Need constant maintenance and setting up, compared to discs/pads that need next to no regular fettling.

More work than discs yes, but my 47 years of driving I've not found them that bad at all (but I've never own a VW UP).  In that time until a couple of years ago for 30+ years I ran various over-priced and over-valued cars called "classics" as dallies, for work, commute, holidays and tours in UK and parts of Europe.  The last one was my one and only car for about 16 years and the drum and shoes were good even the cheap replacements drums I stupidly put on to balance the front uprated pads.  I loathe farting about with my own car and not that good at it all all but I might as well balls it up as pay the professions that I had to redone a lot of their work anyway.

 

The only difficulty I once had, because I did have the correct tools, was fitting shoes to one side, a mate had always moaned about it but until I'd not had problems previously and the other side of the car was as usual fine.

 

With "classic" car parts during the last 20+ years often being of ****-poor or abysmal quality (and English and European) I did have a rear wheel cylinder leak whereas originals seem to last years and decades but that wasn't the drum or shoes, callipers from such location also leaked.

 

One of the reasons I bought my first (real, not VW) Skoda was because they came with 24-month warranties and the car I got was a Skoda HQ car which they kept until 6k-miles, so 2 months old and about the same price as a 3-year old (Mini) Metro which would have problems at that age.  I remember the "poor" quality low-priced Daewoos and their excellent showrooms without sales staff but with computers that could show the cars in colour options unlike the Rover Dealer's computers and moron Life on Mars cops type salesmen, and Daewoo were such low quality they only offered 5-years warranty at the time whereas the high quality Hondas only gave 2 IIRC, even VW were good quality still then and 2 years(?).

 

Most things about working on cars are a PITA, except stupid wheel bolts that can be a pian in the back as well. 😉

 

Don't get me going on all the extra German coolant and oil numbers and specs, and the extra tools need to do simple jobs on those cars and the stupid airbox, front suspension,  .   .   .

 

And I can imagine how much worse it'll be on a 2023/4 car as I drive my neighbour's - good job VW gives a 7-year warranty, no wait that's in Australia, only the "low" quality marques offer 7 years in the UK.  I understand the Euros  aren't sponsored by any German marques, I wonder why, the field of dreams and all that.  😁

 

I had to smile at the fashion and ego comment as regards rear disc brakes, as if most folks would even notice them! 

Drum brakes can easily last the life of the vehicle and a lot cheaper to replace. Also a lot better parking brake.

Edited 8 July, 20241 yr by Blue8793841

6 hours ago, VAGCF said:

I had to smile at the fashion and ego comment as regards rear disc brakes, as if most folks would even notice them! 

True, also some prefer them.

 

In 2005 my neighbour got a little runabout (Kia Picanto) car bought for him to replace his 24 year old Ford Capri 2.0S that his dad bought brand new, his dad at 71 wanted alloy wheels on the new car despite it being no more than a run-around shopping-trolley and him never being a fast or confident driver.  That had rear disks as part of the model spec.

 

Off topic warning

I had the 1981 Capri and run it for a couple of years, it wasn't perfect but was the "classic" I spent the least on to keep it going well and it went on to a Capri enthusiast as the car was so original and relatively low mileage (less the 100k-miles when I got it at 24 years) it was used as an everyday car parked on the street and he turned into a show car which I saw at our club's annual shows and a few NECs.  The car AFAIK is still on the road now with another 100k-miles on it (MoT'd at the last required in 2021 at 40 years old and current "road rax") .

 

I would have bought the 2005 Kia Picanto as it's better to drive and more fun than the other cars I drive (2023 Ren-No! Cashcow (9k-miles on it), 2016 Vauxhall Corsa (8k-miles on it) and 2015 Fabia (65k-miles on it), but his son took it back and it sits rusting in his garage waiting to see if his Micra runabout passes the next MoT.

 

For those interested a 2017 (Adrian Flux Insurance) vid of the Capri. -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtOOE94aAEQ

 

 

Edited 9 July, 20241 yr by nta16

Have ordered a Fabia MkIV spare wheel on ebay (thanks for the link DerekU) at https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354562159376 . Now I need a jack and a retaining stowage nut.  This has the same ref number for Skoda ones and is presumably common across the VAG range, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166908147442?

 

 

Lastly will a generic scissor jack fit the bill? Something like this? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404611200470?

 

Hopefully I can then discard the gunge provided by Skoda for my 23 Reg Colour Edition Fabia with 17" wheels. Many thanks in advance, as ever!

 

Oh, edited to apologise for the lengths of the links. Thought they'd shrink down!

Edited 11 August, 20241 yr by cheezemonkhai
Trimmed tracking from links

Here are your two links. There's no need to include all the characters from the question mark (and including the question mark) because the shortened versions still take you to the same webpages.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166908147442

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404611200470

 

You can purchase the Fabia MK4 foam and jack kit from any VAG parts department by quoting OEM part number 6VA093860A. It's got to be better than a generic kit because VAG designed it especially for the car.

 

The usual spare wheel to use with this kit is a 185/65R15 tyre fitted to a 5.5Jx15 ET40 5/100 57.1 steel rim.

 

Foam and jack kit 6VA093860A (for Fabia MK4) (includes everything except for the actual spare wheel)

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/sada-pro-vymenu-rezervniho-kola-15/p/6VA093860A

 

Alcar 4055 5.5Jx15 ET40 5/100 57.1 steel rim (6.60kg) (for Fabia MK4)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=1360399348768339044&rimCode=ALCAR4055

 

Edited 10 August, 20241 yr by Carlston

Everyday is a learning day. I'll edit accordingly. Thank you Carlston!

 

Oh, seems I can't. I edited when I posted it, so have I had my allowance? I guess it will have to stand as a pointer to my rookie status. At least the links seem to work regardless so I hope I can still get a response re the bolt and the jack.

Edited 10 August, 20241 yr by Chug41
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@Chug41 for jack, in another thread here DerekU put up the following image for Mk4 jack. -

 

 

 

Carlston's links take up less post and page space but still contain the stream of your original links, hover your cursor over them to see.  Cutting and pasting, up to the question mark gives the edited direct inks.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166908147442

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404611200470

 

Have your new  in 2024 1.5 TSI Fabia Mk4,s being arriving with Rear Disc brakes?

 

& in the UK other than Northern Ireland since July with Speed Limit Warnings activated / enabled and if so in what form just a Audible Sound warning? 

8 hours ago, nta16 said:

@Chug41 for jack, in another thread here DerekU put up the following image for Mk4 jack. -

 

 

 

Carlston's links take up less post and page space but still contain the stream of your original links, hover your cursor over them to see.  Cutting and pasting, up to the question mark gives the edited direct inks.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166908147442

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404611200470

 

Thanks Nigel, looks very similar to me, classic scissor jack with transverse groove in lifting pad at the top. Yes, got the message now re the links, just won't allow further edits on my massive links post though. Oh, as to the spare wheel retaining peg bolt, it would seem that the code isn't generic, the first two alpha numeric characters indicate the applicable types across the VAG range, so I need to find those for the Fabia 4. Getting there though, thanks to you guys!

To me the groove doesn't look as deep but I've never seen it in the metal.

 

Yeap with the characters for marque but whether that matters on such an item I don't know, you see plenty of VAG marked parts across the VAG range of marques and models, including their Aldi Bentleys, when the skin is off but perhaps those parts have some alteration(s) again I don't know.

 

Links was only for clarifications I realise without being a Freedom or Freedom Lite member you were unable to edit.

 

Let us know how you get on.

  

Carlstrom, thanks again for the additional info added to your last post. Seems that you get all the tools in a bundle or nowt. All I need are the retaining bolt and the jack. The latter looks to me as being a generic jack, so just the bolt then. Is there any chance of it having its unique stores ref? Others advertised are3G0803899D and 5Q0803889, so I would expect a similar combination for the Fabia Mk4 spare wheel bolt. Perhaps someone knows?

On 01/07/2024 at 14:59, nta16 said:

Why wait around for recovery, it can take a very long time now, with a manual foot pump reinflate the tyre and drive home or to the nearest suitable pub and phone for recovery from there.

 

Do Not rely on the silly TPMS to tell you if a tyre is below pressure and/or going down, by the time it does you will probably already know, check your tyres with a reliable or at least consistent pressure gauge as regularly as required.

 

 

I all the time I have had cars with TPMS, the system warned me before I had any idea that there was an issue. The indirect systems usually alert when the tyre has gone down by 6-7 psi, which isn't enough to feel. Luckily I have not had anything worse than slow punctures cause by screw or nails.

5 hours ago, nta16 said:

To me the groove doesn't look as deep but I've never seen it in the metal.....

  

I highlighted the shallowness of the jack's 'groove' in this other thread.

 

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/525354-jacking-pads-for-fabia-scissor-jack/#comment-5871417

 

20 hours ago, Chug41 said:

...Now I need a jack and a retaining stowage nut.  This has the same ref number for Skoda ones and is presumably common across the VAG range, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166908147442?

 

On my 2024-built Fabia Mk 4, the 2-part fitting that secures the spare-wheel to the floor of the wheel-well in the boot is marked 2G0.803.899 A on the bottom of the threaded upright section.

https://www.skoda-parts.com/spare-part/2g0803899a-bolt-for-mounting-the-spare-wheel-skoda-41623.html

 

Similar-looking fittings are advertised that have a different final letter (and at very different asking-prices) but I've no idea whether the final letter has significance.

6 hours ago, DerekU said:

I highlighted the shallowness of the jack's 'groove' in this other thread.

Yes but I'm old and I forgot - and as I'd never bothered with such stuff on the road  my mind wouldn't retain it as I've managed for decades with a (manual) foot pump for my needs, I realise others can't or don't want to  but I value myself and others above lumps of metal and plastic (VW and others) cars and whatever caravans and motorhomes are made of now, but as always each to their own.

 

 

19 hours ago, DerekU said:

On my 2024-built Fabia Mk 4, the 2-part fitting that secures the spare-wheel to the floor of the wheel-well in the boot is marked 2G0.803.899 A on the bottom of the threaded upright section.

https://www.skoda-parts.com/spare-part/2g0803899a-bolt-for-mounting-the-spare-wheel-skoda-41623.html

 

Similar-looking fittings are advertised that have a different final letter (and at very different asking-prices) but I've no idea whether the final letter has significance.

Thanks yet again, Derek! That's exactly what I need. All I have to do now is find it (no doubt Skoda spare parts can provide at an impressive mark up!). As to the Mk4 Jack, am I right in thinking that it is now a 'generic' scissor jack, with a centre groove and two pivots (instead of previous marks with only one?). If so, it will be much easier to source and save somewhat on the OEM model! 

5 minutes ago, Chug41 said:

(no doubt Skoda spare parts can provide at an impressive mark up!)

In my experience that is not always the case.  If you ring or call in and speak to the people in the parts department and give your reg or VIN they can look up the part and sometime superseded part numbers and give you the correct (if VWŠkoda's database is correct) part number(s) and prices and stock availability.  You might be pleasantly surprised at the cost f some parts.  The same part (with perhaps a different letter at the end) might cost more or less for the other brands that VW own.  Up to you how much time and lifeforce you use up  investigating.

 

In another life I used to order parts for customers and the same part could have entirely different part numbers for different brands because the part was made and sourced from the same part manufacturer so I would order the one that was priced the lowest knowing it was the same part so would look, fit and work exactly the same even if fitted to the more expensive brand item.

 

5 minutes ago, nta16 said:

In my experience that is not always the case.  If you ring or call in and speak to the people in the parts department and give your reg or VIN they can look up the part and sometime superseded part numbers and give you the correct (if VWŠkoda's database is correct) part number(s) and prices and stock availability.  You might be pleasantly surprised at the cost f some parts.  The same part (with perhaps a different letter at the end) might cost more or less for the other brands that VW own.  Up to you how much time and lifeforce you use up  investigating.

 

In another life I used to order parts for customers and the same part could have entirely different part numbers for different brands because the part was made and sourced from the same part manufacturer so I would order the one that was priced the lowest knowing it was the same part so would look, fit and work exactly the same even if fitted to the more expensive brand item.

 

Excellent advice, Nigel. I'll do just that. Thankyou!