@VAGCF  It is 5 decades since i lost a leg and i have driven every type of car or van with 2 pedals, autos, cvt,s servo clutches automated manuals, dsg,s, / DCT,etc and with all sorts of engines or fuels.

If they needed booted they get booted and i use the brake pedal as seldom as i can. 

 

Loved them all for very different reasons even the Early DAF and Volvo CVT,s.   Least favourite would be a Smart Automated Manual and a Citigo ASG. What a coc-k up of a gearbox.    Edit today 300 miles in the BMW auto and it actually drives much the same as my MINI electric when in Eco Pro mode. No sympathy given.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 20 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

7 hours ago, Ootohere said:

   Least favourite would be a Smart Automated Manual and a Citigo ASG. What a coc-k up of a gearbox.

 

On a hill in a 30mph limit the Citigo was that slow to change down you could be virtually stationary before it managed to get the correct gear.

 

I had an Alfa 156 Selespeed back in 2001, another automated manual but it was quite good.

Edited 20 May, 20242 yr by logiclee

18 hours ago, Winston_Woof said:

And after putting it in neutral it goes into P lol

This is what I do too.

I position the car where I want it parked and hold the brakes, put the selector in neutral, release the brakes and put the handbrake on (unless I'm on a slope, and then I put the handbrake on first), then put the selector in park.

2 hours ago, EnterName said:

I position the car where I want it parked and hold the brakes, put the selector in neutral, release the brakes and put the handbrake on (unless I'm on a slope, and then I put the handbrake on first), then put the selector in park.

 

What’s wrong with just driving into the parking spot, holding the brake pedal fully down once you’re at a standstill, putting gearstick into P, apply handbrake, then foot off the brake?

^^^exactly.. 

5 hours ago, JFrankMiller said:

 

What’s wrong with just driving into the parking spot, holding the brake pedal fully down once you’re at a standstill, putting gearstick into P, apply handbrake, then foot off the brake?

Nothing.

Did something I wrote suggest there was?

Edited 20 May, 20242 yr by EnterName

14 minutes ago, EnterName said:

Nothing.

Did something I wrote suggest there was?

 

Well, you said you go into N first, then put it into P after N. You didn’t explicitly say that putting it straight into P was wrong but by saying you use N first you are implying that this is a better method than going straight to P, and I wondered if I was doing something wrong. Would I benefit from using the N then P method, or is it purely for self-satisfaction reasons?

 

1 hour ago, JFrankMiller said:

 

Well, you said you go into N first, then put it into P after N. You didn’t explicitly say that putting it straight into P was wrong but by saying you use N first you are implying that this is a better method than going straight to P, and I wondered if I was doing something wrong. Would I benefit from using the N then P method, or is it purely for self-satisfaction reasons?

 

Here is my reasoning:

When you put the DSG into "Park" mode, you effectively lock the gearbox.

The lock mechanism is a locking spline/pin arrangement, something like the image below.

The image shows a gearbox parking lock engaged.

The advantage of my way of doing things ensures that there is no load placed upon the parking lock spline/pin. The car is stopped and hand-braked in position, prior to the gearbox parking lock being engaged.

The disadvantage of my way of doing things, is that I think it's possible for the parking lock not to be correctly aligned and thus not correctly engaged. I don't know if this is a problem or not.

 

 

One could argue that should the handbrake fail, by doing things my way, it's possible for he car to roll a little, allow the parking lock to spring into place on the parking lock wheel, and possibly shear off the parking lock spline from the parking lock.

That said, a quick online search came up with this, which vindicates my way of doing it. (Someone might be able to come up with an article that contradicts it. 😉)

https://lifeonfour.co/transmission-problems/how-to-correctly-park-an-automatic-car/#the-correct-way-to-park-a-car-with-an-automatic-transmission

 

Ultimately, it's your car, park it how you like. 👍

Thanks for the detailed explanation. It’s welcome, as I like to imagine what the various doohickeys are up to during operation. It makes sense, yeah, to use the handbrake to do the stationary gripping which it was designed for. 👍

 

And in the real world with the parking brake applied and the shifter in P when the engine is off you might still feel the little movement as the Pawl in an Auto or DSG holds the car.

On the flat not much,. on a steep slope be careful about a heavy movement. 

Then there is the Starting up again. foot on brake, ignition on, shifter moved to Reverse, or through reverse, N and into D and a bit of a jolt possible. 

Not so much in a Fabia as in a bigger heavier car sometimes. 

Just full stops, full brake pedal, full on hand brake, do not rush it.   Until the time you forget and you do rush it.

 

How i see some drivers do it makes me cringe.  Often that car be car salespeople.  No vehicle sympathy.  Remember that when buying an Ex Demonstrator.

 

'Managers car, top of the range, driven by Tom, **** & Harry'. 

10 minutes ago, JFrankMiller said:

Thanks for the detailed explanation. It’s welcome, as I like to imagine what the various doohickeys are up to during operation. It makes sense, yeah, to use the handbrake to do the stationary gripping which it was designed for. 👍

 

No worries.

Here's another thread on it.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

And in the real world with the parking brake applied and the shifter in P when the engine is off you might still feel the little movement as the Pawl in an Auto or DSG holds the car.

On the flat not much,. on a steep slope be careful about a heavy movement. 

Then there is the Starting up again. foot on brake, ignition on, shifter moved to Reverse, or through reverse, N and into D and a bit of a jolt possible. 

Not so much in a Fabia as in a bigger heavier car sometimes. 

Just full stops, full brake pedal, full on hand brake, do not rush it.   Until the time you forget and you do rush it.

 

How i see some drivers do it makes me cringe.  Often that car be car salespeople.  No vehicle sympathy.  Remember that when buying an Ex Demonstrator.

 

'Managers car, top of the range, driven by Tom, **** & Harry'. 

How's this for mechanical sympathy? Look at this high speed DSG shift from drive to reverse. (In a VW advertisement, no less!) Ouch!

It’s all my fault. I made an off the cuff non serious comment