Good morning,

I have a Skoda Fabia Monte Carlo Estate (2019) and after some investigating, realised that the specifications I was given about the car's tyres was in fact incorrect. I'd like to get a spare wheel (of the same size) and wasn't sure about the best way to come across one. Ebay? 

The tyres on the car are these, but I'd also like to double check it will actually fit in the boot? Or would it make more sense getting a 16" wheel and tyre as a spare? 

TIA
 

Edited 22 May, 20242 yr by SkodaCJ

4 hours ago, SkodaCJ said:

The tyres on the car are these, but I'd also like to double check it will actually fit in the boot?

So take one off a road corner and see it it fits in the spare wheel well.

@SkodaCJ  You showed what the wheel is but never said what the actual tyre size is.   It is the circumference / diameter.  Outside size that matters.

 

But anyway it will fit in the Spare Tyre well.  it is just the floor might not sit low. 

As it is the wheel & tyre that comes off has to go in there, or should do for safety sake or because the boot might be full.

 

What @Paws4Thot suggest is a good idea.  It will be good practice for being sure you can get the wheels off,. have the tools and the jack placement.

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

@SkodaCJ  You showed what the wheel is but never said what the actual tyre size is.   It is the circumference / diameter.  Outside size that matters.

 

But anyway it will fit in the Spare Tyre well.  it is just the floor might not sit low. 

As it is the wheel & tyre that comes off has to go in there, or should do for safety sake or because the boot might be full.

 

What @Paws4Thot suggest is a good idea.  It will be good practice for being sure you can get the wheels off,. have the tools and the jack placement.

Ahh apologies about that!

 

Erm on the tyre it says 215/40R17. Does that help at all? Sorry, I'm trying to work this out so apologies if the answers I give aren't the most helpful....

If the 215/40R17 7Jx17 ET46 fits, the rim can be ordered from any VAG parts department by quoting OEM part number 5JA071497AA JX2. The Czech price for this alloy rim is 4749CZK which is about £163.52 but the UK price might be slightly more. This alloy rim is from the Skoda accessory catalogue which tend to be less than half the price of factory alloy rims. You can tell it's an accessory rim because of the xxx071xxx format, whereas factory rims have the xxx061xxx format.

 

Torino 7Jx17 ET46 Glossy black alloy rim 5JA071497AA JX2

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-torino-17-fabia-iii-rapid/p/5JA071497AAJX2

 

The below Fabia MK3 foam and jack kit can be ordered from any VAG parts department by quoting the OEM part number 6V0093860B. The Czech price is 1459CZK which is about £50.24 but the UK price might be slightly more.

 

Foam and jack kit 6V0093860B (for Fabia MK3) (includes everything except the actual spare wheel...which needs to be purchased separately)

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/sada-pro-vymenu-rezervniho-kola-15/p/6V0093860B

 

One non-standard spare wheel that could be considered instead of 185/60R15 6Jx15 ET38 5/100 57.1 is 195/50R16 6Jx16 ET40 5/100 57.1. However I don't know whether it would fit in the spare wheel well with the carpet flush. I suspect it might do because the actual inflated width is only 6mm wider than the 185/60R15 6Jx15 ET38 5/100 57.1...and the offset is 2mm more, which might help if the foam and jack kit rests on the inside of the spare wheel, ie. where the spare wheel normally contacts the hub face when it is fitted to the car.

 

Actual inflated width of tyre (measured from the outside of one sidewall to the outside of the other sidewall, at the widest point)

185/60R15 6Jx15 ET38 5/100 57.1 195mm

195/50R16 6Jx16 ET40 5/100 57.1 201mm (non-standard on Fabia MK3)

215/45R16 7Jx16 ET46 5/100 57.1 213mm

215/40R17 7Jx17 ET46 5/100 57.1 212mm

 

Vredestein Ultrac 195/50R16 88V XL (Euro label C A 69dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s298p200860/Vredestein_Tyres_Car_Vredestein_Ultrac_195_50_R16_88V_XL_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_C_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_69dB

 

Alcar 6977 6Jx16 ET40 5/100 57.1 steel rim (from Scala/Kamiq)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=1087670437300671588&rimCode=ALCAR6977

 

Edited 23 May, 20242 yr by Carlston

Unless you have very smooth roads in London 17" wheels with 40(%) profile tyres don't make a lot of sense for practicality, modern fashionable cosmetics may be.

 

just to give you and idea, 215/40r17 tyre has a nominal sidewall height of 3.4" (86mm) whereas 185/60r15 4.4" (112mm) so 1" (26mm) (29%) more rubber and air cushioning from the third world roads of the UK.  Even 215/45r16 gives 0.4" (11mm) (12%) more. - https://tiresize.com/tyre-size-calculator/

 

2 hours ago, nta16 said:

Unless you have very smooth roads in London 17" wheels with 40(%) profile tyres don't make a lot of sense for practicality, modern fashionable cosmetics may be.

 

just to give you and idea, 215/40r17 tyre has a nominal sidewall height of 3.4" (86mm) whereas 185/60r15 4.4" (112mm) so 1" (26mm) (29%) more rubber and air cushioning from the third world roads of the UK.  Even 215/45r16 gives 0.4" (11mm) (12%) more. - https://tiresize.com/tyre-size-calculator/

 

Tbh i didn't realise the size of the wheels, i initially thought they were 16" (as per the dealers information) and it's only when i looked at getting a spare wheel for the car (as I'm not sold on the idea of the breakdown kits), i realised they were 17". 

This is very much me jumping straight into the deep end in terms of cars (first car etc.) - so I'm doing my best to understand/download as much information as possible when people are taking the time out to reply/assist with my queries. In regards to the difference with 16" vs 17" am i right in understanding the larger the wheel/tyre the easier the handling but as you've mentioned, at the cost of a less comfortable ride? 

5 hours ago, SkodaCJ said:

Tbh i didn't realise the size of the wheels, i initially thought they were 16" (as per the dealers information) and it's only when i looked at getting a spare wheel for the car (as I'm not sold on the idea of the breakdown kits), i realised they were 17".

 

I've found four different colours for the Torino 7Jx17 ET46 5/100 57.1 alloy in a 2021 Skoda alloy rim accessory catalogue. However, I've no ideal if they are still available to order as the latest catalogues no longer show alloy rims for the now old Fabia MK3.

 

Torino 7Jx17 ET46 5/100 57.1 alloy rims (for Fabia MK3)

black gloss 5JA071497AA JX2

black matt brushed 5JA071497Q ZG6

black metallic brushed 5JA071497P FL8

silver metallic brushed 5JA071497N 8Z8

https://www.skoda.co.uk/_doc/639a0118-4da5-446b-a786-86e1f789b57b

 

Wide low-profile tyres such as 215/40R17 can have more lateral grip in warm dry summer weather, so if you push them hard through the corners you will be travelling faster if you lose control of the car than if the car was on narrower tyres.

 

Once you have a lot of driving experience you should be able to drive safely on any tyres because knowing what you can and can't do safely on whatever tyres are fitted to the car is the difference between losing your no claims bonus or keeping it.

 

You should be aware that tyre grip varies enormously depending on weather and road conditions. A wide low-profile summer tyre such as 215/40R17 can have surprising little grip in cold weather, especially if there is snow or ice...but they aren't good even in cold rain below about 7 degrees centigrade.

 

Another thing to be aware of is the large difference in price between different tyre sizes. For example, a good 185/60R15 tyre might cost £80 but a good 215/40R17 tyre might cost £130. Multiply the difference by five to include a spare, and that's £250 more for a set of new tyres.

 

Edited 23 May, 20242 yr by Carlston

7 hours ago, SkodaCJ said:

This is very much me jumping straight into the deep end in terms of cars (first car etc.) - so I'm doing my best to understand/download as much information as possible when people are taking the time out to reply/assist with my queries. In regards to the difference with 16" vs 17" am i right in understanding the larger the wheel/tyre the easier the handling but as you've mentioned, at the cost of a less comfortable ride? 

No that's not really the case and those would be generalities but it's such a topic that would wear my typing finger out and yes those generalities you gave are a bit right.  If I remember I'll link in some threads about what you need to learn about the car generally but there's loads of info in the Fabia Mk3 forum, tyres, wheels, suspension here too, Carlston has already given you good information and advice.

 

One of the very best tuning things for your car, after timely and regular full whole car servicing, maintenance and repairs, is further driver training and it can be transferred to other similar vehicles for free time and time again, doesn't matter if you're new to driving or been driving for decades.

 

There's lots pf information and poor or disinformation on the internet and errors and omissions (I make plenty of both all the time) so you have to check and cross reference any information you get from any source (including manufacturers and supplier (and especially car salesmen).

 

Handling and road holding has a lot to do with the design, build, make up and composition of the tyre and fit to wheel as to going up a size or two, it also depends on how you want to drive and how able you are at driving.  The Fabia Mk3 in standard form is quite a wallowy car anyway. 

 

Unless you are unlucky if you look after your tyres, tyre pressures correct, don't go bumping up kerbs, or drop-kerbs too quickly, then you may never get a need to use a spare wheel, but if you carry a spare don't be like many and have it under-inflated or even flat so that the one time you need it in years (or decades) it's not fully, or at all, fit for purpose  I easily survived for 30+ years off and on without carrying a spare wheel or kit, just a manual foot pump in the boot (and accurate tyre pressure gauge at home).

 

Thank you all for your replies to this, I will sit down and have a think and work out where best to go from here. I really appreciate the time you've all taken to respond to me with my query, educating and assisting me along the way. Much appreciated!