Hi all. Happy new year. I have replaced the steering rack on my 2020 Fabia after damage to the rack in a shunt. Replaced genuine part, scanned car, no codes with OBD2. The steering only turns half turn to left whilst 1 and a half to the right. I thought i may have installed the rack wrong when re-attaching the column...that may be true- i don't know yet. Before i get into that, is there a way to reset the steering angle sensor without scanner and also with an obd2(that's all i have).  If i jack it up with wheels off floor the steering gives me 1 and a half turns in each direction. Any advice would be welcomed.

so to update. It now shows codes...a lot of them. Anyone had any experience with obd11 and steering angle sensor code 44

1 hour ago, hayeksbane said:

Anyone had any experience with obd11 and steering angle sensor code 44

Try here:-

https://forum.obdeleven.com/thread/12419/steering-angle-sensor-calibration-success

 

Thanks.  AG Falco

ETA: AG posted whilst I was still typing but I'll leave this up in case and it gives Ross Tech alternative(s).

 

There might be info in the OBDEleven owners form but the following turned up top of first page of my Google search, I never suggest only taking what's on the top of the first page of a search or just the first page so do check and cross reference any information you get from anywhere, internet, manufacturers, anywhere.

 

Note, I've not read much on the links I've posted as my eyes are playing up today so take it as an example of possible searches.

 

This from Ross Tech, the VCDS lot. - https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/17984/

 

OBDEleven lot. - https://forum.obdeleven.com/thread/16711/access-basic-settings-steering-assistance

 

1 hour ago, hayeksbane said:

It now shows codes...a lot of them.

For future a list of the codes would be useful and perhaps posting in the Diagnostics & VCDS forum may (or may not) have got more answers quicker. - https://www.briskoda.net/forums/forum/23-diagnostics-amp-vcds/

 

General advice, whatever scan tool you use do ensure the program is for you (make) model and year of vehicle, that the program is fully updated before you use the tool, that the car battery and if appropriate scant tool battery are not in a lower state of charge otherwise you may get spurious readings - and particularly with electric power steering you want plenty of battery power as it uses a lot.  Once you have taken a report delete all error codes each time, some may return but warnings go away with a bit of use of the vehicle, check for, record and delete any codes anyway, starting fresh and as clean as possible keeps things simpler.

 

HTH.

 

Good luck, report back and let us know how you get/got on.

 

thanks for the replies. the car is all back together, I  had bumper off for respray and fitted another wing as that was damaged. The codes i have are shown in the screenshots below. I have only attached the detail of the steering assistance codes at the moment as, rightly or wrongly, this is the focus of my attention at the moment. I have no power steering at all. I think the tpms is related to the steering, but again the steering is the main focus right now. I have followed the tips in the links above in particular:

1. Go for a drive and slowly find a safe spot to straighten your steering wheel as best as you can
2. While in park with the engine running, go to Control Unit then Steering Assistance (44) or "steering column". Go to Basic Settings then Steering Angle Sensor, initialization.
3. Go to Live Data and search for Steering Angle Sensor, Angle, put in the security code.
4. Take note of what angle your reading is that so you'll know if the Calibration worked afterward.
5. Go back for Steering Assistance (44) or "steering column" and go to Basic Settings then Steering Angle Sensor
6. Start the calibration, from the center then your steering wheel all the way to the right, and hold for 5 seconds, then back to the center real quick and all the way to the left and hold for five seconds. Now back to the center and hold for 10 seconds.
7. Wait for about a minute and a half, and go ahead and stop the calibration by holding the stop button down.
8. Turn off the engine, remove key, open door, close the door.
9. Turn on the engine, and your dash should light up like a Christmas tree. With tire calibration and ECS. That's how you know it's working.
10. Go back to OBDEleven, scan the car for faults. Clear the faults.
11. Go to the steering stops calibration step : steering column" / Basic settings / Sterring angle Sensor Zero calibration w/ steer. wheel scales / Start – Turn totally at right (bip) and totally at left (bip), center – If no bip - Turn totally at left (bip) and totally at right (bip) / Stop – back – Scan fault / Clear Fault

 

My observations are that i have no power steering. When i go into 44 steering assistance and then basic settings, i do not get an option for calibration. I have attached the options (last or first photo however they upload) i do get but i am wary to start . I did go into steering anngle sensor, zero calibration w steer. wheel scale but got function not available. Im on OBD Pro...is this an upgrade or is there another issue?

 

My experience of using this is limited but i have repaired several cars with dash warnings. Its usually been the case that identify fault replace part remove code...this seems a bit more advanced. please help if you can.

@hayeksbane

"Steering angle sensor

Status
CANCELLED DUE TO DETECTED MALFUNCTION

Steering angle sensor..."

 

Big clue!!

You're in the world of German marques, very (over?) complex intertwined computer programs, the more recent the vehicle the more complex things get.  Is the OBDEleven up to the job, I don't know, do you need to go to another level with or on the OBDEleven, again I don't know.

 

I'm not sure all the detail in that list is strictly necessary but if it works it works, as tyre is spelt the American way I wonder if its from a Yanky car which may have variations to the programs, for example emission regs and testing some states have, but I don't even know if they use OBDEleven other there all my comments are of a general nature.

 

There's a video, and series of videos, of a young chap sorting out the dash on a crashed Fabia and his scan tool automatically gives him a reset code (for something) that is required, presumably a reset code is required because the vehicle has been in a crash, a safety measure I'd guess.  If I can find the video I'll post a link but don't hold your breath as I've no idea what search terms to use to get it anywhere near the top of a Google search as I'm not buying anything. 

 

A note, your phone shows one bar on the battery, I've no idea how long that lasts but as I cautioned before you don't want either the car battery or the scan tool battery to be low in power otherwise potentially there can be computer brain-farts and you don't want to run of of power before you have completed the job and potentially have to start all over again and perhaps sort out additional issues from the power drop.  By then perhaps one bar lasts a very long time but you'd not start what potentially could be a long journey with your car's fuel tank very low.

 

I wonder if you might need to ask about this in the 'Diagnostics & VCDS' forum and hope someone sees your post that knows OBDEleven use well or crash repairs using scan tools. - https://www.briskoda.net/forums/forum/23-diagnostics-amp-vcds/

 

Good luck, keep going and reporting back.

 

Edited 2 February, 20251 yr by nta16
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Wow, so unusual for me top of the search page and there it is.  I only looked at the very start of the vid so I don't know if it's the one I meant but you have the YT channel to search yourself now.  This is for general info as it's not with OBDEleven but you might pick up tip from the series (I don't know as I think I've only seen one video of his).  Good luck.

 

ETA: quick check of link below working and I don't think this is the vid I meant but still might be useful and I got you to the YT channel I meant, I hope it is of some small help, if not you can skip through videos quick I'm sure.

 

 

Edited 2 February, 20251 yr by nta16
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7 hours ago, nta16 said:

You're in the world of German marques, very (over?) complex intertwined computer programs, the more recent the vehicle the more complex things get.  Is the OBDEleven up to the job, I don't know, do you need to go to another level with or on the OBDEleven, again I don't know.

 

I'm not sure all the detail in that list is strictly necessary but if it works it works, as tyre is spelt the American way I wonder if its from a Yanky car which may have variations to the programs, for example emission regs and testing some states have, but I don't even know if they use OBDEleven other there all my comments are of a general nature.

 

There's a video, and series of videos, of a young chap sorting out the dash on a crashed Fabia and his scan tool automatically gives him a reset code (for something) that is required, presumably a reset code is required because the vehicle has been in a crash, a safety measure I'd guess.  If I can find the video I'll post a link but don't hold your breath as I've no idea what search terms to use to get it anywhere near the top of a Google search as I'm not buying anything. 

 

A note, your phone shows one bar on the battery, I've no idea how long that lasts but as I cautioned before you don't want either the car battery or the scan tool battery to be low in power otherwise potentially there can be computer brain-farts and you don't want to run of of power before you have completed the job and potentially have to start all over again and perhaps sort out additional issues from the power drop.  By then perhaps one bar lasts a very long time but you'd not start what potentially could be a long journey with your car's fuel tank very low.

 

I wonder if you might need to ask about this in the 'Diagnostics & VCDS' forum and hope someone sees your post that knows OBDEleven use well or crash repairs using scan tools. - https://www.briskoda.net/forums/forum/23-diagnostics-amp-vcds/

 

Good luck, keep going and reporting back.

 

yep been watching nathan hiley...his tool is higher grade and i have all the options bar the factory settings on 44 with OBD Pro...looking at upgrading. its the crash code thats causing the issues p160900 and it wont go away... Thanks for taking time to reply the thread has helped me work through the issus

 

 

 its covered around minute 25 for those interested..obd 11 seems to be a bit lacking for this .

 

Yeap that's the video and lad then.  Fairly well shot and presented and gives lots of info.

 

For higher level scan tools if you get "last season's" or a good s/h one that might not cover the last few years models (or more for a 2020 car) then you can save quite a few bob, buyer beware of course.  Prices are falling and features increasing each year it seems but I don't know what level you have to go to for crash code.

 

What about seeing if someone near you with a VCDS can help you out, that's supposed to be the wonder system, or does a VW 2020 car have more levels of keeping non-VW out. - https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/262215-list-of-vcds-owners-previously-known-as-vag-com-vcp-owners/#comment-3091029

 

I've no idea what you're used to and work you have to do on this 2020 Fabia (the 2014 keeps throwing me) but I hope you know there's more to diagnostics and repairs than the sexy big-boys toys of scan tools and that scan tools can't fix or diagnosis everything.  If you don't already do so the following is a good chap to look at he uses scan tools plus other diagnostic tools like multimeter, headlight bulb for load test, his eyes, ears, nose, touch, brain-power and common sense (last two often lacking in workmen like electricians and mechanics in my experience).  He also admits his mistakes, something many electricians, plumbers and mechanics would never do. - https://www.youtube.com/@mrautoservices7354

 

Also for drivers and owners and repairers reading before and refereeing to as required, the vehicle's 'Owner's Manual', or instructions for any thing, can save hassle time and money, reading instruction before starting work is something in my experience that is beyond many (most?) mechanics, electricians and plumbers, some too lazy, some too arrogant some both.

 

Well that's all (more than) I know and can direct you on this subject, good luck, let us know how you get on.

 

managed to get p160900 gone with launch x431. The OBD11 just wouldnt do it. Nnow left with the three steering assist faults...hopefully get those off at the weekend.

well, i am starting to pull my hair out...what's left of it. The end stops not learned will not go away with the traditional techniques. The steering angle no basic setting will not go away until end stops go away so stuck in a catch 22 loop. i am going to try a few basic checks over the vehicle tomorrow such as battery terminals, all sensors connected  and wiring complete in the areas i worked on. However, if any one sees something jump out from the fault codes please do chirp up. I have used OBD11 until that wouldnt go any further and then i have used launch 431. im hoping its some schoolboy error or i am going to have to bite the bullet and take it to someone with dealer software and knowledge which generally means pants pulled down.

fault data.pdf

Schoolboy and pro error not checking , rechecking and cross referencing the basics and the work you have done on the car any items nearby or related to your work - i.e. unintentionally buggering something else up with your nearby or related to your work, or not doing something right or leaving something off, etc., we've all done it.

 

With the x431 can you go into and look at the data on the steering angle sensor and end stops, live data perhaps see if anything is missing or some sort of coding required directly.

 

Your Report list is beyond my very limited understanding but other than a few odd codes they all seem related and communication, you might trace back to a common point with a wiring diagram.  You might be better looking at and/or asking on the Diagnostics & VCDS forums and see if the coding experts or those scan tool and/or OBDEleven knowledge are there to see your post or thread there. - https://www.briskoda.net/forums/forum/23-diagnostics-amp-vcds/ 

 

What's the missing licence number about, are software version V28.50 and app version V1.00.0004 both fully up to date?  Is the X431 a genuine or a clone do you know?

 

General data codes, one for VW go for ever. -  https://www.klavkarr.com/data-trouble-code-obd2.php

 

Edited 7 February, 20251 yr by nta16
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So, after watching literally tens or even thirties of videos of other people resetting the steering angle sensor i finally did it and it was very simple in the end. I seem to have misunderstood what was required and after going into basic settings>steering angle sensor>adjust i actually turned wheel left 3 secs> right 3 secs and then centre and then pressed stop . I then did it again but without the scanner and the lights went out. I then scanned the car again and all faults related to the sensor have gone. I had been doing it without the scanner and without pressing adjust first. i live and learn. i am now left with:

03 Brake Electronics 1 problem exist 1.C114602 Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) - Signal Malfunction

09 Electronic Central Electric 1 problem exist 1.B103F1A Outside Temperature Sensor - Resistance Too Low

13 Distance Regulation 1 problem exist 1.U112300 Databus Error Value Received

17 Instrument Cluster 1 problem exist 1.U112300 Databus Error Value Received

The ambient temp sensor looked a bit worse for wear when i refitted the bumper as did the connector to the radar sensor so hopefully those will be relatively simple. The TPMS is not clearing using the tried and tested method, and it tells me that function is not available. The wheel did have a new tyre, paranoid me is wondering if the chap fitted the right valve. i will play with these things at the weekend.

Well done.

 

It can sometimes be difficult spotting our own mistakes and a second person can see what we have overlooked, and often it can help to have someone who doesn't know about cars (or really care) and get them to get you to follow the process or instructions and get you to strictly follow their instructions, thus following the instructions to the letter in the order given,

 

My very, very relucent glamorous assistant may bring me a mug of tea see me struggling with something not going back on right and say something like "it looks like you are fitting that with the top at the side" and sure enough I am.  Decades of running 20-50 year old cars as dailies means she has much experience of breakdowns and repairs and noises recognition without ever wanting to.  She is much better at noises than me and previously has said thing like, that sounds like a bearing, or another time its the brakes or when I said the hood frame rattles she assured me it was the passenger seatbelt spool.  A number of times I said she's got it wrong but it was me that was wrong, as you say I learnt, not to ignore her suggestions or audio diagnosis.

 

18 hours ago, hayeksbane said:

he TPMS is not clearing using the tried and tested method, and it tells me that function is not available. The wheel did have a new tyre, paranoid me is wondering if the chap fitted the right valve. i will play with these things at the weekend.

Are you sure your TMPS works off a tyre valve transmitter, if so it needs pairing, if it's the other system (off ABS ring) then it might be a problem with the sensor, its connection(s) or wiring at sensor end or anywhere back to reporting module.   Usual diagnostic checks and using all the diagnostic tools available and not just scan tool as outlined before and shown in good diagnostic videos like the ones Milligan Auto Diagnostics posts and a number of other good and proper diagnostics people.  Never just trust what a computer, or any other diagnostic tool, tells you without first checking the tool is fully functioning and then check and cross reference any results.  If you follow a machine/tool error from the machine or you not setting up or testing it then you can waste lots of time and possible introduce more errors and issues.

 

Good luck.

 

Edited 11 February, 20251 yr by nta16
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You couldn't make this up, but this little bugger was the cause of all my remaining issues after sorting the steering angle sensor problem. Luckily, i had a spare one. All sorted and ready for MOT. Thanks for all your responses that gave me encouragement.

On 10/02/2025 at 21:49, hayeksbane said:

Outside Temperature Sensor

Was that the little bugger?

 

Thanks.  AG Falco

17 hours ago, AGFalco said:

Was that the little bugger?

I just zoomed in on the image and get a fright. it has "ITALY" on it!  :yikes: 😆

 

It's an "Ambient Air Temperature Sensor" according to VW Parts 820 820 535 B.

 

Certainly surprising but not totally unexpected that it should be something at a tangent given how over-complicated VW's computer systems are, possibly they out-"Simply clever" themselves sometimes.

 

Or it might be something physically related rather than (only) computer.

 

Well done to @hayeksbane on finding that and possibly learning how complex these things can be, but if you had a spare one you might already know a lot..

 

Edited 14 February, 20251 yr by nta16

ah August 25 , another Skoda Fabia and another P160900 and the associated nonsense. This time its a 2017 monte carlo and this time the X341 elte pro wont even let me in. I keep getting Need Access Approval. Perform Login (NRC$33). This has driven me to the edge. I have been in touch with China( its the China one-same but China). If anyone else has experienced this and overcome it please let me know how. I have since bought VCDS and got into module 44 and cleared the P160900 fault. Now just left with the steering angle sensor fault and trying to overcome that.

to update this and for future reference for others..vcds also gave me "aborted due to malfunction " message when i was trying to calibrate the steering angle sensor in module 44. It turned out after many hours of research, testing, asking questions ll over the place that I am in fact a muppet and had not noticed that the rearmost wiring connector on the steering column and behind the window wiper stalk was not connected properly. whilst i feel like such a fool, it may help someone in the future. If you are getting a similar message, check all your wiring connectors behind the steering wheel.